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dsyn8
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san francisco,ca.
Gender: Male
dsyn2spin
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< on 1/29/2006 8:05 AM >
|  | | | I have been using the "Google Earth" satellite mapping
tool which uses a bunch of images taken from space to
create a virtual 3-D map that you can explore in real
time.This is a great program and offer's some really
cool features with an easy to use control interface.
HOWEVER; be forewarned!The satellite images that are
currently being used to generate the computer map in
this application are anywhere from ONE TO TWO YEARS OLD!!
So if you were to try use it for UE purposes such as
it seem's so well suited for,just keep in mind that
it's image-database is not up to date by any means at all.
Say,for example,you wanted to check out this cool
location that is currently in some state of demolition,
or construction before it's either gone or finished.
Right? So you want to use this program to plan your
infiltration strategy ahead of time so you know
what is where,(i.e.property lines,security bungalow's
heavy equipment,road's,structures,buildings etc..)
before you go.Right?---WRONG!!---Google Earth will
only help you understand the exact layout of a location
if it has not been touched or altered in any way
for about two years.Which is very unlikely unless it's
a very remote long term site which has been abandoned
for many many years.
I'm sure most of you realize this but I just wanted
to toss it out there to chew on a little bit.
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TylerDurden
 
location:
Worcester, Ma
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 1 on 1/29/2006 8:37 AM >
|  | | | yeah most of the people here that have been doing it for a while know that it's a bit inaccurate. A lot of people here have been using microsoft live local. It offers birdseye shots and from street shots in certain places. It's pretty nuts.
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seicer
   
location:
New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 2 on 1/29/2006 8:47 AM >
| | | | Posted by TylerDurden
yeah most of the people here that have been doing it for a while know that it's a bit inaccurate. A lot of people here have been using microsoft live local. It offers birdseye shots and from street shots in certain places. It's pretty nuts.
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I use a mixture of Terraserver-USA topo's and aerials, Microsoft Live Local, Google Maps, and field-checks to verify information.
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Pravus
location:
Chicago Area
Gender: Male
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| |  |  | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 3 on 1/29/2006 8:55 AM >
| | | | Google Earth does what it needs to just fine.. I keep track of all the places I know with it and it basically acts as my personal LDB.. I also note on each spot thing like good parking, good entrances, which buildings are what and maybe what they offer..
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dsyn8
location:
san francisco,ca.
Gender: Male
dsyn2spin
| | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 4 on 1/29/2006 10:00 AM >
| | | | Well I just did some investigating of all
these mapping sites and they all pretty much
get their data from the same three places
(one being USGS,forgot the names of the other two),
but my point still being that regardless of which
program you are using (Google Earth,Microsoft Live Local,
terra server)whatever one you like,it does'nt matter
because they are all using the same basic image
database which was activated in 2002.So whatever you
are viewing with any of these mappers,you are
viewing it exactly as it was on some sunny spring
day back in 2002.THREE YEARS AGO!!!
Many places that i am familiar with in my area
that I have zoomed in on with the bird's eye view
to look at, don't even exist anymore! Many are
drasticly altered or compleatly different than
what it show's.
So for non-time sensitive general info they are
great.but for anything requiring a more accurate
depiction of things as they really are today.
No Bueno! my friend.
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pyro
location:
Toronto
Gender: Male
| | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 5 on 1/29/2006 3:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by dsyn8
but my point still being that regardless of which
program you are using (Google Earth,Microsoft Live Local,
terra server)whatever one you like,it does'nt matter
because they are all using the same basic image
database which was activated in 2002. |
It does matter infact. For instance microsoft can't give me a clear picture of Toronto, however Google does. Also I believe the maps are useful in recognizing obvious features and getting directions, but I don't know why you would try to use a map to find a way in, you look on the maps to find a place out of sight but that doesn't mean you found an entry point. But I find it to be very good for finding different ways to approach a location.
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Azrael
location:
South West UK
Gender: Male
| | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 6 on 1/29/2006 3:55 PM >
| | | | "All we've discovered from satellite mapping is that the entrance isn't on the roof" haha.
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dsyn8
location:
san francisco,ca.
Gender: Male
dsyn2spin
| | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 7 on 1/29/2006 4:18 PM >
| | | | You are totally missing my point, They are all
very usefull and wonderfull tools.I use them all
the time. It's just that whatever you see,is as
it was three years ago!Not today! Not yesterday!
Nor A few months back! But THREE count them,one
two,three YEARS AGO!!!Got it? that is all I am
saying!Explaining just why "you" find them usefull is totally derrogatory in the sense that it becomes
irrelevant, because I allready noted that they
were in fact,all very useworthy applications!!
dsyn8 |
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dsyn8
location:
san francisco,ca.
Gender: Male
dsyn2spin
| | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 8 on 1/29/2006 4:27 PM >
| | | |
| but I don't know why you would try to use a map to find a way in, you look on the maps to find a place out of sight but that doesn't mean you found an entry point. But I find it to be very good for finding different ways to approach a location. |
Also,I think you are kind of contradicting yourself
just a little bit here. I did'nt catch it the first
time but I did the second! ? ! ? !
dsyn8 |
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Capone
location:
London, Ontario
Gender: Male
UEL
| | | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 9 on 1/29/2006 7:55 PM >
| | | | Yes, three years; we understand. Calm down.
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seicer
location:
New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 10 on 1/29/2006 8:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by dsyn8
Also,I think you are kind of contradicting yourself
just a little bit here. I did'nt catch it the first
time but I did the second! ? ! ? !
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Wow you are having some sort of spat here. No one really cares that the images are more than one day old. People are smart enough to know that.
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Duke
Noble Donor
location:
Awww-shitby, Ontario
Gender: Male
Move it or lose it
| | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 11 on 1/30/2006 12:31 AM >
| | | | Of course if you REALLY want up to date images you can always download them from the satellite yourself: http://www.hobbysp...Station/index.html
...OK OK so it's weather satellites and they don't have the same level of detail, still a cool project
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keti
 
Moderator
location:
Providence, RI
Gender: Female
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| | | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 12 on 1/30/2006 11:24 AM >
| | | | That could add to the fun, though...
You see a possibly abandoned building on Google Earth. Get directions, and head up there. You may find a new condo development, an empty lot, or a really sweet abandoned building.
After Google Earth was released, my friends and I did that all the time. Zoom into an area and poke around, looking for buildings with bad roofs and no cars in the lot. We'd get directions to all of them and check it out. Maybe about 50% of the time it was a bust, but still definitely worth it for the other 50% of the time when we found some really awesome places.
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kyle5077
location:
Jersey/Philly
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 13 on 2/1/2006 1:00 AM >
| | | | I love Google Earth. I've been using it since befrore Google bought out Keyhole (holy crap was that program hard to crack when the 15day trail expired...) It's good for what it does. I ALWAYS look at a location on it beroe I go to it. That way I get a feel for the layout. It's actually helped me many times. I also use it to find parking.
And all of it isnt 3 years old...most of it is, but some big cities were updated as recently as March 2005.
http://earth.googl.../coverage_list.pdf
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Urban Pirate
location:
Salt Lake City
Gender: Male
| | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 14 on 2/7/2006 8:50 AM >
| | | | The nice thing about Google Earth despite the dated photographs is that it is a free resource. For a college student, you can't beat free. It does okay for the purposes of finding a location and just getting a general feel for a place. I just keep in mind that what I see in the pictures won't necessarily be the setup when I actually go somewhere.
I did run into some trouble a while back looking for an old meat-packing plant. It seemed to show up on Google Earth, but we went to the site and sure enough it was totally gone.
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InsertNameHere
location:
North County San Diego
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 15 on 2/7/2006 8:55 PM >
| | | | I disagree, Google Earth is a wonderfully reliable tool for UE. Overhead view gives you a good idea of the building's layout and the surrounding terrain. before you know anything else. Go on a scouting trip, take a few quick digital camera photos of potential entrances or points of interest, then go back home and upload them to the computer. With said pictures, you can mark each important spot on the map and get an idea for good approach/escape routes once you actually go.
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david explosion
Gender: Male
| | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 16 on 2/8/2006 12:43 AM >
| | | | I gotta say, I love Google Earth.
I just used it the other day to pinpoint a certain site I wanted to get to. I'd known the area, so I found the town, found the area (the images are kind of blurry close up, so I couldn't be positive) and then I stumbled upon the exact coordinates (in a final fit of desparation I hit "page 27" on google and it gave me exact coordinates). It ended up where I was so close to it, and knowing I was looking at the site, things fell in place.
So yeah, that's something else really cool. You can punch in coordinates and it will pinpoint exactly.
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Plytheman
location:
Lawrence, Massachusetts
Obey The Deer
| | | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 17 on 2/8/2006 1:12 AM >
| | | | Posted by dsyn8
You are totally missing my point, They are all
very usefull and wonderfull tools.I use them all
the time. It's just that whatever you see,is as
it was three years ago!Not today! Not yesterday!
Nor A few months back! But THREE count them,one
two,three YEARS AGO!!!Got it? that is all I am
saying!Explaining just why "you" find them usefull is totally derrogatory in the sense that it becomes
irrelevant, because I allready noted that they
were in fact,all very useworthy applications!!
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Okay, so what is your point again? That the images are 2-4 years old? I've known that for a while. Yeah, a lot can change in a few years, but a lot is still the same. Because the shots were taken in winter/spring, there aren't many leaves on the trees, so its easier to see where trails and streams are. You can still see good places to park and good routes to take to get to the location. So what if something is demolished, tough luck, should have been there a year earlier. So what if the way you planned isn't an option anymore, try exploring and figuring out a new way, isn't that what this hobby is about?
I dont think anyone's missing your point, we've just disregarded it because its old news to most of us. And what do you want anyway? Some NSA spy stellite uplink? I'm just happy when I can get a sharp enough image to see the building, let alone a live feed. Just be happy all this is for free, a year ago you had to pay for Keyhole.
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blackhawk762
location:
Maryland
Gender: Male
In Tyler We Trust
| |  | | Re: Google Earth--(Neat,but NOT a very reliable tool for UE!!!
<Reply # 18 on 2/8/2006 2:52 AM >
| | | | Posted by seicer
I use a mixture of Terraserver-USA topo's and aerials, Microsoft Live Local, Google Maps, and field-checks to verify information.
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I've used Google Earth and Maps before, but what are the other two sources? Microsoft Live Local and Terraserver-USA topo's and aerials? Where can I get those?
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