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GrayFox
location: Allston MA Gender: Male
A Star of CCTV
| | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 20 on 1/13/2006 7:51 AM >
| | | there isnt always another way in and yes id rather not get into that moral debate
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Jester
location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 21 on 1/13/2006 3:37 PM >
| | | Posted by GrayFox there isnt always another way in and yes id rather not get into that moral debate
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or lack of morals debate...
Posted by Pravus for one you loose like half your rope in knots, and rope isn't cheap (at least climbing rope)
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For the length we're talking about, it's a moot point. 2 stories needs 15 feet, 3, maybe 30. I used water skiing rope, which wasn't that expensive (canadian tire, think it was 50' for around $20) and the knots/loops weren't without purpose. A simple knot on an otherwise thin rope (1/2 inch) makes it uber easy to climb with tabi on... [last edit 1/13/2006 4:08 PM by Jester - edited 1 times]
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GrayFox
location: Allston MA Gender: Male
A Star of CCTV
| | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 22 on 1/13/2006 8:28 PM >
| | | Let me pose a qustion to you....there is a building that is well boarded up, no way to go in through a skylight, no door that is open...and the only way in is to either use bolt cutters or a hacksaw to get through a chain thats holding a set of doors closed....would you do it?
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YogSothoth
location: Rancho Cucamonga (CA) Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 23 on 1/13/2006 8:40 PM >
| | | Posted by GrayFox Let me pose a qustion to you....there is a building that is well boarded up, no way to go in through a skylight, no door that is open...and the only way in is to either use bolt cutters or a hacksaw to get through a chain thats holding a set of doors closed....would you do it?
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If this was a question just for Jester then ignore the rest of this. Cutting a lock or prying off boards? No. If it was a matter of the board hanging off and I had to move it... sure. I would hate to break into a place only to find later that some punk had used the entrance that I created to go in and graf or whatever malicious deed s/he wanted to do in there. If there is no way in besides breaking something, there are always other buildings/drains waiting to be explored somewhere. $0.02 ~YS
Yog-Sothoth knows the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate. Past, present, future, all are one in Yog-Sothoth. He knows where the Old Ones broke through of old, and where They shall break through again. He knows where They have trod earth’s fields, and where They still tread them, and why no one can behold Them as They tread. |
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GrayFox
location: Allston MA Gender: Male
A Star of CCTV
| | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 24 on 1/13/2006 8:58 PM >
| | | Yes this is a question posed to everyone....im interested to hear the answers
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Jester
location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 25 on 1/13/2006 9:04 PM >
| | | Posted by GrayFox Let me pose a qustion to you....there is a building that is well boarded up, no way to go in through a skylight, no door that is open...and the only way in is to either use bolt cutters or a hacksaw to get through a chain thats holding a set of doors closed....would you do it?
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Nope, no way in hell would I do that.
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Wyandotte
location: (Wyandotte)Metro Detroit, Michigan Gender: Male
Welcome to the New Order
| | | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 26 on 1/13/2006 10:11 PM >
| | | Its not a matter of another way in its an imposibillity to get in another way seeing that its on a busy street, it is going 2 be possible to throw a loop over a big pipe on the roof and get in a window from the roof the building is like so...
EDIT:::OOOOOPS wrong pic
[last edit 1/13/2006 11:34 PM by Wyandotte - edited 2 times]
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Pravus
location: Chicago Area Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 27 on 1/14/2006 5:02 AM >
| | | Posted by GrayFox Let me pose a qustion to you....there is a building that is well boarded up, no way to go in through a skylight, no door that is open...and the only way in is to either use bolt cutters or a hacksaw to get through a chain thats holding a set of doors closed....would you do it?
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LockPicks, popping locks, shims, window locks are 'normally' pretty bad.. theres ALWAYS other ways into places, some just take more effort..
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MindHacker
location: Suburbs of DC Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 28 on 1/14/2006 6:47 AM >
| | | Yes i would (and add a lock to it afterwards, but even if you dissallowed this) assuming that it wasn't active, wasn't going to be active. Why leave it abandoned forever? keep it pristine for noone?
As for the knots, They untie if you do them right AND I don't trust this kid (early teen prob) to try prussiks if a grapple didn't occur to him.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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Caveman6666
location: NY
| | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 29 on 1/14/2006 11:52 AM >
| | | Posted by Jester or lack of morals debate...
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Or a lack of subjectivity debate, the constitution of morals being completely characterized by individual subjectivity. Or lack thereof.
Yet another unoriginal generic UE website. GODDAM! |
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Jester
location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 30 on 1/14/2006 11:56 AM >
| | | Posted by Caveman6666 Or a lack of subjectivity debate, the constitution of morals being completely characterized by individual subjectivity. Or lack thereof.
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Ooohhhhh, such a subjective view. Of course anyone can rationalize or justify anything, but it doesn't make it right. I simply see destruction of property that isn't mine to be unethical. On the other hand, viewing it harms nobody... I also view getting into these places without any damage as a challenge to my abilities. Some people like to challenge themselves, some always take the easy road... [last edit 1/15/2006 5:30 AM by Jester - edited 1 times]
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InsertNameHere
location: North County San Diego Gender: Male
We were playing flashlight tag, officer!
| | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 31 on 1/15/2006 12:09 AM >
| | | Posted by Pravus
LockPicks, popping locks, shims, window locks are 'normally' pretty bad.. theres ALWAYS other ways into places, some just take more effort..
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I don't see what picks or shims have to do with this. Those methods are non-damaging and discreet, whereas a crowbar or hacksaw causes tons of damage and draws lots of attention.
As for the OP - you said this window is in an alley. How close are the walls of the alley...can you chimney up, either foot and foot or foot and back?
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GrayFox
location: Allston MA Gender: Male
A Star of CCTV
| | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 32 on 1/15/2006 4:46 AM >
| | | how can a hacksaw cause "Tons of damage" if its just used on a chain?
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Pravus
location: Chicago Area Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 33 on 1/15/2006 9:20 AM >
| | | Posted by InsertNameHere I don't see what picks or shims have to do with this. Those methods are non-damaging and discreet, whereas a crowbar or hacksaw causes tons of damage and draws lots of attention.
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......That WAS my point completely....... so yes they have everything to do with it, at least to the post I was replying to..
Posted by MindHacker As for the knots, They untie if you do them right AND I don't trust this kid (early teen prob) to try prussiks if a grapple didn't occur to him.
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True.. But if you take 5 min to learn the knot (which is easy as hell to learn) and make sure you know what your doing before you do it shouldn't be a problem.. Only a moron throws things together and blindly trusts them, although I suppose I am putting good faith that people aren't completely stupid when I give advice.. And figure it this way, if I am horridly wrong then the heard is thinned a little
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Wyandotte
location: (Wyandotte)Metro Detroit, Michigan Gender: Male
Welcome to the New Order
| | | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 34 on 1/15/2006 6:23 PM >
| | | I have been trying different ways of climbing by climbing the backstop at my local park and tying the rope up top so I dont kill myself.
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Pravus
location: Chicago Area Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 35 on 1/16/2006 1:17 AM >
| | | If your are going to climb a rope at least make sure you can tie a Figure 8 knot or a doubled Fig 8.. try to get your hands on a harness for added safety.. the climbing 101 thing I made has some ways to do things, also below that Mark posted ways to make migshift harnesses (although I would recommend finding someone who does rock climbing or something to teach you the basics or get an actual harness).. Either way make sure you know how to tie the things your doing before you do it and make sure things are solid..
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iN$aNeAftermath
| | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 36 on 1/17/2006 6:35 AM >
| | | Posted by Pravus LockPicks, popping locks, shims, window locks are 'normally' pretty bad.. theres ALWAYS other ways into places, some just take more effort..
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Does anyone know, Would a police officer have a problem with someone carying Lockpicks? [last edit 1/17/2006 7:12 AM by iN$aNeAftermath - edited 1 times]
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iN$aNeAftermath
| | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 38 on 1/17/2006 7:14 AM >
| | | =) you are fast. I decided to read the site and found southord.com in the lockpicks definition.
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Pravus
location: Chicago Area Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: Second Floor Window <Reply # 39 on 1/17/2006 7:45 AM >
| | | Posted by iN$aNeAftermath Does anyone know, Would a police officer have a problem with someone carying Lockpicks?
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Depends on your area, so I won't say they are legal or not.. Assume they aren't legal.. But cops will be suspicious of them no matter what.. generally people have no reason to carry picks.. at the least it'll be something for them to give you shit about, at worst your in russia and they kill you.. [last edit 1/17/2006 7:53 AM by Pravus - edited 1 times]
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