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rev_skarekroe
     
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 40 on 1/8/2006 9:03 PM >
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for once skarecrow doesn't fail
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It's spelled s-k-a-r-e-k-r-o-e.
FAIL!
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DjMalign
 
location:
Fort Collins, CO
Gender: Male
Sexy, sexy, sexy
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<Reply # 41 on 1/8/2006 9:51 PM >
| | | | GODDAMNIT
I hate all of you |
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Seldom
location:
Atlanta, GA
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 42 on 1/8/2006 11:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by DjMalign
But in all seriousness you have your opinion i have mine. I don't think your professors are viable teachers since they're required to teach 2 classes a day 5 days a week. A real arts teacher also has work in the field. Most art school teachers teach a maximum of 3 classes per week, giving them the experience in the field of fine art to go out and make an excellent exhibition record. |
First of all, how many classes our professors teach varies depending on their schedules. I fail to see how this relates to their teaching abilities or talent though. Our professors have experience in fine art (if it applies to their discipline) and/or working in the industry. I wouldn't expect my Law professor, for instance, to have fine art experience but I do expect that of my foundations professors and they do have it.
| As for SCAD being multifaceted, most art schools do much, much more. Including ACA. my whole point a couple of posts ago was that their program does NOT funnel you in ANY direction, that you are taught important foundation year material and are given a LOT of leeway to go into multiple departments and make work and is interesting and helpful for you. SCAD has majors and minors, which limit how many departments you can jump around in. |
Neither does SCAD's, unless you want it to. You come in as a freshman and take your foundations courses and you can take a class in any department that interests you. You don't come in, declare your major first thing, and get stuck taking only Film classes, for example. In fact it's written into our curriculum for us to take classes in any department, if we want. Again, I don't understand how you see majors and minors as limiting what we can do. I could take a painting or fibers class if I wanted, nothing's keeping me in my major except my own desire. Besides, ACA has majors, does it not?
My main problem with this entire argument is that some of you are trying to say how things are at SCAD when you obviously don't know. Andrea and I are actually students here. We know how the classes are, how the professors are. Of all the things that are wrong with SCAD, limiting our creativity is not one of them.
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volare
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 43 on 1/9/2006 1:14 AM >
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Nonsense.
Malign's not an art snob because he doesn't like SCAD.
He's an art snob because he hates everything.
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Lol.. that may be true.
To me an art snob is a pretentious preening little ass that thinks they are art's gift to the world and focus on the "trying-so-hard-not-to-be-mainstream" mainstream marketable BS that has been the predominant focus in art for the past few decades.
Something in his previous posts strung a chord in me.. I have an immense amount of respect for anyone that has the integrity to exercise a gift their way without the art's inherent marketability being the first discerning analysis of worth.
Also.. going back to what someone else said about video/film exclusion from "fine/art".. that may be the traditional interpretation.. but in my ever so humble opinion.. film is one of the most powerful and greatest forms of expression that man has ever created. It's inherent and ever increasing ease of use contributes to a lot of trash being out there.. but.. it has more potential than almost any other medium..
edit: grammar
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
location:
Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
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<Reply # 44 on 1/9/2006 1:23 AM >
| | | | Posted by volare
film is one of the most powerful and greatest forms of expression that man has ever created. It's inherent and ever increasing ease of use contributes to a lot of trash being out there.. but.. it has more potential than almost any other medium..
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Great! I was wondering when this discussion would turn to hard core pornography!
Now we're talking ART!
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DjMalign
location:
Fort Collins, CO
Gender: Male
Sexy, sexy, sexy
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<Reply # 45 on 1/9/2006 4:05 AM >
| | | | Seldom,
Your professors teach too much. How do I know this? Because its the #1 reason the aca staff isn't going to transfer over, because its a universal art school standard that a professor needs to keep a good exhibition record and needs to STAY current and relevant. When full time faculty are forced, and yes forced since that is the exact language they used with the co-chair of the electronic arts department, 2 classes a day 5 days a week it makes it near impossible to have that record.
declaring a major isn't the problem. declaring a minor is. BY NATURE it sets a specific program and does not allow the student to develop their own artistic journey. ACA, SAIC, MICA, SFAI, SMFA, SVA, Pratt, RISD, all these schools do not have minors because of this.
and to be completely honest your responses reflect the philosophy of that kind of education. For instance Andrea stated that film is not an art form. While film is not my major, stating that it is only applied shows a lack of knowledge since some of the most influential contemporary artists of our time have used the moving image in fine art. See: Maya Derren, Stan Brackage, Matthew Barney.
I'm not saying SCAD does not have its place, but the fine arts is not the best one. SCAD also has a bad record for teachers and students alike. A few years ago SCAD suspended a group of students lobbying to make a student government until they signed releases saying they would not attempt such an act again. SCAD also ran SVA out of savannah because it felt it was their territory yet years later comes to atlanta to swallow us. Even more over SCAD has been on the AAUP's censure list for this AND refusing tenure to their teachers and making all their contracts 1 year, essentially having to real stability. Think i'm lying? http://www.aaup.or...e1995/savannag.pdf
But whatever, you're right. SCAD is awesome with its 65% graduation rate. Its a school ALL about the students 
Goddamn, i'm bitchy tonight.
please don't take this personally.
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mellon
location:
Savannah, Georgia
Gender: Female
SWANK member #pi
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<Reply # 46 on 1/9/2006 6:15 AM >
| | | | Posted by DjMalign
Your professors teach too much.
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Ok, I think in any context, I can laugh at that statement right there.
Time for my input on this subject.
May I just now point out that, from what I gather, you have never attended SCAD. You've never sat in on any of our classes. All this "information" you have about our college is simple mixture of what statistics you read and your personal opinion. If you like your school, that's terrific. I like mine. Yes, overall, the administration is exceptionally bureaucratic and geared mainly to increasing their pile of money, but in reality, I have yet to encounter one that isn't. The way I generally relate toward my experience at SCAD is on a much smaller scale - I interact with my fellow students and professors. I would never walk up to Paula Wallace and start chatting it up about art with her. Also, I'm sure you've noticed by now in your many years of education that each professor is different. Within reason, they can teach their students whatever the hell they want and however they wish as long as they pass out the SCAD syllabus on the first day of class.
I'm appalled that you believe we are all graphic and advertising design majors here. Yes, there are more commercial areas of art around, but I find it smarter to study it here at an art college than a university. Also, the public view of college is to prepare yourself for "the real world" and giving you skills to support yourself financially. It is also a common opinion that artistic ability is not something that will get you a job (unless everyone loves it). I personally like to think of art as an extremely personal entity. If someone finds a way to intertwine their personal art and commercialism, they can go for it. To me, art is an ability to explore not only yourself, but the world around you. I find it wonderful to come here and see other peoples' work and be able to share techniques and ideals. "Developing your own artistic journey" should take place in your own mind and studio, and I don't find it necessary to beat it out in a classroom. So, all in all, please don't blame the school for squashing young artists' talent. We both know that's invincible.
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andrea
location:
Baltimore MD
Gender: Female
Apparently, I am heinous.
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<Reply # 47 on 1/9/2006 6:16 AM >
| | | | Posted by DjMalign
and to be completely honest your responses reflect the philosophy of that kind of education. For instance Andrea stated that film is not an art form.
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I never said film was not an art. Its not a fine art, there is a big diffrence.
This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit.
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Seldom
location:
Atlanta, GA
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 48 on 1/9/2006 7:13 AM >
| | | | Posted by DjMalign
Seldom,
Your professors teach too much. How do I know this? Because its the #1 reason the aca staff isn't going to transfer over, because its a universal art school standard that a professor needs to keep a good exhibition record and needs to STAY current and relevant. When full time faculty are forced, and yes forced since that is the exact language they used with the co-chair of the electronic arts department, 2 classes a day 5 days a week it makes it near impossible to have that record. |
My professors don't seem to be suffering from this problem. They have exhibitions, they know what's going on in the art world. And they only teach four days a week, if that.
| declaring a major isn't the problem. declaring a minor is. BY NATURE it sets a specific program and does not allow the student to develop their own artistic journey. ACA, SAIC, MICA, SFAI, SMFA, SVA, Pratt, RISD, all these schools do not have minors because of this. |
Again, no one makes you declare a minor at SCAD. You can have zero minors or twelve is that's your desire. Besides, if your "artistic journey" is based completely on what classes you are in then that's your problem, not the school's.
| and to be completely honest your responses reflect the philosophy of that kind of education. For instance Andrea stated that film is not an art form. While film is not my major, stating that it is only applied shows a lack of knowledge since some of the most influential contemporary artists of our time have used the moving image in fine art. See: Maya Derren, Stan Brackage, Matthew Barney. |
Andrea simply said film is an applied art, which is the case with most students at SCAD because that's what they want to do. Still, there is a group of film students completely involved with art video because that is their passion and no one is keeping them from expressing it. Saying an artist is influential is a matter of opinion these days, and I resent being told that my education is somehow lacking because I'm not an expert on film as a fine art. We have classes on contemporary art and if I was a film student my professors would keep me informed on it. But that's the beauty of college, not being forced to study things that don't relate to your interests or education. I'm sure a fine arts student would be able to discuss contemporary art with you, but if I want to know it, I can, the resources are there waiting for me. I just prefer to study things that actually relate to my educational goals.
| I'm not saying SCAD does not have its place, but the fine arts is not the best one. SCAD also has a bad record for teachers.....making all their contracts 1 year, essentially having to real stability. Think i'm lying? http://www.aaup.or...e1995/savannag.pdf |
No shit. I've said numerous times the administration sucks, I'm not arguing that. SCAD expels students for simply writing petitions. But that doesn't mean all it's professors and students are talentless idiots.
| But whatever, you're right. SCAD is awesome with its 65% graduation rate. Its a school ALL about the students |
SCAD is hard. Most students drop out after their first quarter because they can't take the workload. I fail to see how hard work makes it a bad school though, I know I'm a better student because of it. And again, no one said SCAD was awesome or all about the students.
Goddamn, i'm bitchy tonight.
please don't take this personally. |
Well I think you're an idiot for blindly insulting my college's students and professors, but please don't take it personally.
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Simian
location:
Atlanta
Gender: Male
One F
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<Reply # 49 on 1/9/2006 2:07 PM >
| | | | And thus the childish flaming begins. Malign hates everyone and everything, with good reason. SCAD is eating his school and all of his professors are jumping ship because they don't agree with SCAD. You'd hate SCAD too if it did this to your school, forcing you to relocate in order to continue your studies. The rest of you have pride in your school, why shouldn't he have pride in his?
He doesn't like your school. You don't like his opinion. Now get the fuck over it, this is an introduction thread.
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DjMalign
location:
Fort Collins, CO
Gender: Male
Sexy, sexy, sexy
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<Reply # 50 on 1/9/2006 2:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by andrea
I never said film was not an art. Its not a fine art, there is a big diffrence.
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You are wrong. See: Brackage, Derren, Matthew Barney. That was my point.
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so what most of you are telling me is: yes, i agree that the admin is total crap AND that its a school whose first priority ISNT the students BUT i'm trying to justify spending shitloads of money on their version of art education.
As for being an idiot for "blindly" insulting your school's system...I think you're making this too personal. I think SCAD students looking for fields in the fine arts could find a much better education. This is a matter of disagreement of philosophies on art and its applications and concepts. Beyond that I never called you an idiot, i was expressing my opinion without getting personal with you. But what is the definition of idiocy? Perhaps its spending a fortune on an "ART" school who gives "art" scholarships for cheerleading, does not require portfolios for admission and has its own polo team?
But i guess i'm just an elitist. Despite before inviting you guys to atlanta to explore with all of us.
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<Reply # 51 on 1/9/2006 3:11 PM >
| | | | yeah, not all of us atlanta UE'ers are art snobs.
and malign's still a cool guy despite the aggressive ranting you see here.
i still wonder how this turned from an intro thread into "lets all bash or defend SCAD".
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
location:
Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
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<Reply # 52 on 1/9/2006 3:43 PM >
| | | | Don't listen to him. He's a jerk. You are absolutely right about everything.
mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
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Seldom
location:
Atlanta, GA
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 53 on 1/9/2006 4:16 PM >
| | | | This thread is just hilarious now. I just don't appreciate you saying my professors are inept because the adminstration sucks, thereby insulting what I'm doing here. That's my only problem with you, Malign.
Now let's all hug and explore some buildings.
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mellon
location:
Savannah, Georgia
Gender: Female
SWANK member #pi
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<Reply # 54 on 1/9/2006 5:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by Seldom
Now let's all hug and explore some buildings.
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I second the motion
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DjMalign
location:
Fort Collins, CO
Gender: Male
Sexy, sexy, sexy
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<Reply # 55 on 1/9/2006 11:12 PM >
| | | | deal. but i AM fat, so it'll hard to get your arms around me
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andrea
location:
Baltimore MD
Gender: Female
Apparently, I am heinous.
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<Reply # 56 on 1/10/2006 3:16 AM >
| | | | Posted by DjMalign
deal. but i AM fat, so it'll hard to get your arms around me
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That works out cause all three of us have short arms. All three of us can hug you at once and create a hug circle.
This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit.
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Simian
location:
Atlanta
Gender: Male
One F
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<Reply # 57 on 1/10/2006 4:25 AM >
| | | | Wow. Good thing you all have those flags. 
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andrea
location:
Baltimore MD
Gender: Female
Apparently, I am heinous.
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<Reply # 58 on 1/10/2006 4:48 AM >
| | | | Posted by Simian
Wow. Good thing you all have those flags.
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Me confused.
This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit.
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Seldom
location:
Atlanta, GA
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 59 on 1/10/2006 4:58 AM >
| | | | I think he means these: 
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