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ChronoLogix
  
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< on 12/22/2005 6:52 PM >
|  | | | This is an inquiry to the community regarding an idea of mine.
From looking through the forums I have found no methods of communication in terms of symbols or pictures regards to safety and security of locations.
I think I may have to explain this better, so here it goes. I am referring to an idea to have pictures representing certain characteristics of an adandonment or building. Similar to the standard signs of Bio-Hazard, No smoking signs, or Live Circuit signs.
I have an interest in actually creating a system of discreet messages for UE, signs for things such as- Asbestos, High security area, Dogs, Friendly to UE, and MANY other dangers/boons.
IF there is any interest in this feel free to PM me or post on this thread. I'm open to doing this as a group effort, and in fact hope that if it is acted upon, it is done by many people worldwide.
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Mark
     
Very Noble Donor
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What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 1 on 12/22/2005 9:38 PM >
| | | | Sounds like hobo signs. Although interesting, I think your going to run into a few issues. The ones that will know the signs will most likely be connected to this(similar) communities. Most will be warned already.
Then putting up the signs will have a two fold issue.
1. Where do you put them to let people know whats in the abandonment
2. How do you conceal it from security, people, and non UE while still haveing it exposed for UE? If they know where the info is they probably know another explorer and the dangers.
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kjones
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Providence, RI
Gender: Male
Ninja? Or frightened little boy?
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<Reply # 2 on 12/22/2005 10:43 PM >
| | | | This is actually a very good idea. Here's a page on hobo symbols, a similar idea:
http://www.slackaction.com/signroll.htm
Mark brings up good points, though. For the first, I would write them with chalk near the "main" entrance, though what that means will vary from site to site. For the second, security and passersby will think nothing of small, subtle chalk marks... think of signals used in espionage, markings on mailboxes and such.
The real problem here is, if we're going to create a language (so to speak) how are we going to get people to be able to read it? The only thing I can think of would be to make the symbols intuitively obvious enough so that anyone who knows what to look for would know what they mean.
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pyro
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Toronto
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 3 on 12/22/2005 10:59 PM >
| | | | Pretty nifty idea. I never knew about the hobo signs (learn something new everyday). But I would think that security will eventually find these, maybe make them on the road or traffic signs along the pathway to the location if it's the only thing in the area.
"[emo kids] are like homeless people with thier hand out only its pitty they want and not money." -boutdatlonestar |
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Mark
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South Carolina
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What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 4 on 12/22/2005 11:42 PM >
| | | | The hobo ones are intuitive enough. However if your warning of security and the like then you have to do it before they even get there.
Chalk wears off.
If the symbols are intuitive then they should be easy to figure out by security.
I am by no means knocking the idea, I think it could be very useful. Probably most useful on drains and the like. Just trying to throw monkey wrenches in to fix problems before starting down the road.
Short tunnel
Large drop ahead
etc
Buildings it would be a lot harder, and slightly more unethical to leave permanent marks.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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ChronoLogix
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Everywhere and Nowhere (Also Downtown)
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 5 on 12/23/2005 12:51 AM >
| | | | Its good to see that there is interest. Thanks for the posts, I have already forseen these problems and I am completely open to any ideas. And yes, this does have a similarity to hobo signs and other systems of communication, and I did have something similar in mind. With the question towards non UE and security finding the symbols, only use symbols regarding general things and safety in plain sight. With things regarding security and dangers of being caught, use symbols that are far harder to decipher and either directly state the information, or tell you where to look (Something like; Upsidedown J=Look about 10 meters ahead, low left wall, the symbol regarding security could be there)
Though I am by no means an expert, I do know something of cryptography (with a focus towards social and visual communication)
With the question of using temporary marks or permanent ones, it is a difficult choice, one possibility would be to use some sort of infrared markings only visible with specific frequencies of light, but that would cost money, which pretty much puts it right out...
And YES, it would be great for draining (at least in my mind.)
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pyro
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Toronto
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 6 on 12/23/2005 3:39 AM >
| | | | How about invisible ink where you use a black light to see it? Although it would be kinda weird to have to shine a black light every time you came to an entrance to something.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
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South Carolina
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What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 7 on 12/23/2005 3:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by pyro2525
How about invisible ink where you use a black light to see it? Although it would be kinda weird to have to shine a black light every time you came to an entrance to something.
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Naa doesnt work because to know about it then your on this or another forum with people who can tell you all about it.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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pyro
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Toronto
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 8 on 12/23/2005 4:30 AM >
| | | | Yeah, I guess even though the idea is really cool it just doesn't work out. However at the UE meet of Dec. 17, '05 someone mentioned how we should have a universal UE signal, as we thought we saw another part of the group the guy spelt out UE with his arms and legs. Anyone have ideas about signaling to other UE'ers that could be at the location?
"[emo kids] are like homeless people with thier hand out only its pitty they want and not money." -boutdatlonestar |
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Mark
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What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 9 on 12/23/2005 4:42 AM >
| | | | Posted by pyro2525
Yeah, I guess even though the idea is really cool it just doesn't work out. However at the UE meet of Dec. 17, '05 someone mentioned how we should have a universal UE signal, as we thought we saw another part of the group the guy spelt out UE with his arms and legs. Anyone have ideas about signaling to other UE'ers that could be at the location?
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Maybe the old WWII clickers. I know dog trainers still use it. Maybe even a cricket caller (makes the sound of a cricket not for calling crickets) in some pattern.
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pyro
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Toronto
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<Reply # 10 on 12/23/2005 4:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
Maybe the old WWII clickers. I know dog trainers still use it. Maybe even a cricket caller (makes the sound of a cricket not for calling crickets) in some pattern.
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You mean those things they spin and they make noise? I think they were used in WWI as an alert when gas was coming. That would be kind of inconvenient, I meant something more along the lines of a hand signal or maybe even a flashlight signal. Sure would be odd trying to explain a clicker if you ever got searched.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
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South Carolina
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What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 11 on 12/23/2005 6:20 AM >
| | | | Posted by pyro2525
You mean those things they spin and they make noise? I think they were used in WWI as an alert when gas was coming. That would be kind of inconvenient, I meant something more along the lines of a hand signal or maybe even a flashlight signal. Sure would be odd trying to explain a clicker if you ever got searched.
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No WWII airborne used them. They used a clicker to help find each other in the dark. There is something that makes the sound of a cricket on the market as well.
Hands mean line of sight, and lights may give you away. If you here something you use your clicker, and there should be a response. That way you dont attract to much response.
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MindHacker
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If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
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<Reply # 12 on 12/23/2005 8:04 AM >
|  | | | This sounds kinda like warchalking for wifi signals. They have three symbols that are chalked onto a wall / sidewalk. Open network, lightly secured, heavily secured. I'd recommend something like this for a basic symbol in permanant marker on something (use discretion. sidewalk? doorframes?) obvious, and maybe more advanced hobosymbols or summwhat inside. Those are intersting, i never knew bout thems.
some sorta UE type thing? maybe with the bar of the u forming the back of the E?
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HillbillyHorus
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Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
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<Reply # 13 on 12/23/2005 10:00 PM >
| | | | This would work quite well for drains. "Outsiders" probably would never see it, the only ones seeing it would be drainers and maybe utility workers. Most of the drain graf at the moment (at least where I am) is either "civilian" grafiti (found at the outfall, stuff like "Tunnel to hell" "666" "Beware the beast", pornography, etc.) or "drainer" grafiti ("Email the Virginia Cave Clan", "www.uer.ca", etc.). In drains, there's no need for special symbols. One can just write in english.
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Blue90
location:
TN
Shiny.
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<Reply # 14 on 12/24/2005 12:07 AM >
|  | | | how about something like a flag or the like stuck near one or more entrances?
also, blacklight reactive liquid mixed with nail polish on out of the way surfaces or graffiti'd walls might work.
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alps
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Halifax / Hong Kong
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<Reply # 15 on 12/28/2005 5:01 AM >
| | | | Sounds like an okay idea. I found a book in the library with a thing about hobo signs a while back, I thought it was pretty cool. Probably shouldn't be used in high-visibility areas, such as service hallways in active buildings.
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lokiplease
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Sarasota, Florida [soon to be Orlando, Florida]
Gender: Female
silent hill! <3
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<Reply # 16 on 1/1/2006 8:41 AM >
| | | | Posted by HorusIn drains, there's no need for special symbols. One can just write in english.
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This system would probably work best in active sites, but then the signs would have to be concealed, and explorers would have to be told where to find them, which might differ from location to location.
Also, Horus, your new picture terrifies me.
Anyway, it'd be difficult making a widespread, well-known symbol system. If the system is only known to members of this forum, then we may just as well post the dangers and so forth in the LDB. Still, it seems like a potentially good idea.
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Pravus
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Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 17 on 1/1/2006 11:36 AM >
| | | | Well this is a damn good idea.. and although I think I may get flak for it I would think spraypaint would work 9 time outa 10 better then most other things.. rain won't run it off, and depending on how the symbols are made (Red Dot for Hazardous area and should be avoided, White dot for asbestos, green for easy run no problems, Black for heavy security sweeps......) most security wouldn't think anything of it, especially if the place is run down and has taggers, and it is less likely to just be removed by things brushing it and likely to be seen by other UE peoples... rather then checking under rocks for 30 min untill you realise theres no signs made for the place yet.. then it could also be combined like two dots one white and one blue (asbestos and live exposed wires) I think it's a good idea.. but would almost have to be something semi permanent in order for much use for it to come in handy..
The signs don't have to make any kind of sence either... thats the point of a code..
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Mark
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South Carolina
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What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 18 on 1/1/2006 1:56 PM >
| | | | A paint marker might work better, and be less encrimnateing.
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HillbillyHorus
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Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
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<Reply # 19 on 1/1/2006 4:07 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
A paint marker might work better, and be less encrimnateing.
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Plus it's easier to conceal. Walking around with spraypaint won't look good if you get caught.
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