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Caput_58
    
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<Reply # 40 on 10/6/2003 7:09 PM >
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Those so called "rail cops" *ARE* police.
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Likewise in the US.
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sneaker98
location:
London, Ontario
Gender: Male
Gwar.
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<Reply # 41 on 10/7/2003 1:38 AM >
| | | | oh i know, he was a constable.. and seemed damn proud of that title as he kept repeating it. and flashing his badge.
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NoSuchPerson
  
Stop, or I'll ask you again!
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<Reply # 42 on 10/7/2003 2:26 AM >
| | | | Ah, that's not correct.
The definition of "evading police" is this:
A person who gives a police information which would lead them off their investigation.
Example: A cop questions you about breaking into a building, and you say "No, i wasn't around sir, i was at home" - but in reality it WAS you, or that was false information. That's evading police. Running from a cop isn't evading police.
It's only escaping arrest if they have already placed you under arrest.
-Ex
Unit calling radio say again? |
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Ninjalicious
Gone, but always with us
location:
Toronto
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<Reply # 43 on 10/19/2003 1:02 PM >
|  | | | Posted by ExKa|iBuR
CP and CN Police are their own separate Police Departments, given authority by the RCMP. No Special Constables or Security Officers here - they are the real deal - same as Toronto Police, OPP, RCMP, or whatever.
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I agree, but I would add "on their property".
Ninj
http://www.infiltration.org
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Father Maurice Lester
Noble Donor
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York Region
Gender: Male
Da numba one
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<Reply # 44 on 12/14/2003 6:42 PM >
| | | | Posted by ExKa|iBuR
Those so called "rail cops" *ARE* police.
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complete with Glock 9mm and asps
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Jon Lacey
location:
Portage la Prairie, MB
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 45 on 12/15/2003 3:12 AM >
|  | | | Just today, my buddy and I inadvertantely conducted a fleeing/no fleeing experiment with an old, tubby security guard at one of the top ue destinations here in Van. We were spotted and I was over the fence, down the hill, and at the nearest bus stop in a matter of seconds and my buddy decided to calmly stroll away . . . sort of a slow motion bolt if you will. Anyway, the sec. didn't do sh*t either way. He didn't pursue my buddy and didn't even yell 'stop' or anything. It seemed to us that this guy just wanted to collect his paycheque and didn't even care about catching people at this place. He was just one individual, mind you.
I get the feeling that a lot of security guys would just as soon look the other way. It's not as if they get promoted for busting people . . . or do they? I don't know.
This guy obviously didn't give a rat's ass about our presence on this particular premises. And after discussing it, my buddy and I decided that it woulda probably been better just to have struck up a conversation with the guy and tried to glean some security info from 'im. Hey, it's worked for Jester, before.
Hey, didja hear? They just caught Saddam. I bet he's got some advice about running and hiding.
edited for spelling
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
location:
South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 46 on 12/15/2003 3:33 AM >
| | | | Both of my best friends have worked security. At different sites they have different rules. My one lazy friend was only required to walk around and contact the police if anyone was not supposed to be there was. It is more a scare tactic, then anything. However my other friend (who is well built agile and agressive. He was given arresting powers and the ability to take people down by man handling them. However he wasnt working UE sites. The big thing his site was worried about was industrial spys, which he may have nailed one but they never proved it. (guy was in with a camera however did not give the excuse of UE). Both friends are active UE and once in a while if they were placed on a site that was of interest they would ignore most people entering. Unless there was vandalization etc going on.
Needless to say each site/supervisor has different ROE's to go by.
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Carrie@HPA
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Stuck in Hell.. Still!
Gender: Female
Death, Distruction and Chaos.. At Your Service.
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<Reply # 47 on 12/15/2003 11:03 AM >
| | | | I know in most of Central FL it's fairly simple.
1. Your run-o-the-mill Rental cop, can't do crap. They can A) Ask or Demand you leave. B ) Tell you to "STOP" or "COME HERE" and frankly they're in no real position of a law officer to tell you shit to begin with. C) Call the cops and hope your still there.
There are rather strict rules about Rental Cops engaging in physical holding, they are not legally allowed to touch you unless you attack. If they do, tada, lawsuit.
2. Police. A) Stop dead in your tracks, turn around and pray you've got a damn good coverstory to be there. B ) If you saw NO signs stating "No Trespassing" you didn't exactly do anything wrong as it is not posted. Thus 95% of the time your simply told to "leave". C) ALWAYS have at least one from of ID, it really pisses them off if you don't, thus you get a ticket and possibly booking. D) Just tell them what your doing, some cops find this oddly amusing and will let you for the sheer fact you where honest.
3. Owners of Where-ever. A) Make SURE they don't have a wepon B ) Run, Forest, Run! C) Hope you know where your going quickly D) If not armed, I support running like hell.
And the best advice of all is simply be smart and don't get caught.
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 48 on 12/17/2003 12:22 AM >
| | | | Tips
*Always make sure YOU can outrun THEM.
*Know your own limits. You don't want to be able to run fast for very short distances, then tire.
*Keep running until you know you are away.
*Fancy footwork is helpful. ZigZag running will tire them.
*Do not leave anything behind! Cell phones, id, car keys, pay stubs.
*If you know you will be under arrest, run hard! lol. If they do catch you, know your laws, adn don't incriminate yourself.
*They are armed, be careful.
*You can't outrun a radio, do not forget that.
That is all I can think of off the top of my head but I know I am forgetting stuff. Good Topic, Mochi. Be Safe Everyone.
-jake
"Being frightened is an experience you can't buy."
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Ferret
location:
Toronto
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<Reply # 49 on 12/17/2003 3:19 PM >
| | | | I've said it before, and I'll say it again - for some people, running is not an option, it's an impossibility.
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Jon Lacey
location:
Portage la Prairie, MB
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 50 on 12/17/2003 6:14 PM >
| | | | That's a valid point, Ferret. You should always make sure that everyone in the group knows the plan if you get spotted. Does everyone bolt or do you try your clever and imaginative cover story? Do you face it as a group or is it everyone for him/herself? This should all be decided, of course, before you even step foot on the property.
Also, you should make sure that you have a post-bolt meeting place (for those without cell phones).
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Mr. Motts
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 51 on 12/17/2003 7:20 PM >
| | | | I think the Office of Mental Health department (at least in NY) also have police authority. These guys hang around the old asylums here a lot.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
location:
South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 52 on 12/17/2003 10:06 PM >
| | | | This is why I totally believe in keeping healthy and semi fit doing this stuff. If you cant run at all you shouldnt do this, or you should have a good aliby or be a photo geek
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Chud
Try a 211, you'll just get 187'd...
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<Reply # 53 on 12/18/2003 4:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
This is why I totally believe in keeping healthy and semi fit doing this stuff. If you cant run at all you shouldnt do this, or you should have a good aliby or be a photo geek
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That's an ignorant, inane comment. Some people are physically unable to run, and must find other ways to avoid getting caught.
Nobody will not agree with the Russians, ever on anything.
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j0lt
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Kobe, Japan
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 54 on 12/18/2003 6:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by Chud
Some people are physically unable to run, and must find other ways to avoid getting caught.
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(Ontario explorer impersonation)
What? It's not like you can use camouflage or hide or anything. That'll just get you in more trouble when you're caught!
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Ferret
location:
Toronto
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<Reply # 55 on 12/18/2003 7:22 PM >
| | | | Posted by j0lt
Posted by Chud
Some people are physically unable to run, and must find other ways to avoid getting caught.
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(Ontario explorer impersonation)
What? It's not like you can use camouflage or hide or anything. That'll just get you in more trouble when you're caught!
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If you can't run, like me, you have to do something else.
You can hide in plane sight. That's what our group does. We're regularly seen by passing vehicles, neighbours, etc, and everyone has so far thought we were supposed to be there (although one member managed to attract a few whistles and cat-calls from a couple of red-necks in a pick-up truck). We even make use of the parking lots on site! (look for the purple truck in my site pictures!)
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HauntedPA
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Anywhere and Everywhere
Gender: Female
What do you mean the rum is gone?!
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<Reply # 56 on 12/18/2003 7:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by Ferret
If you can't run, like me, you have to do something else.
You can hide in plane sight. That's what our group does. We're regularly seen by passing vehicles, neighbours, etc, and everyone has so far thought we were supposed to be there (although one member managed to attract a few whistles and cat-calls from a couple of red-necks in a pick-up truck). We even make use of the parking lots on site! (look for the purple truck in my site pictures!)
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We do the same kind of things for certain locations. If you can make it look as if you're supposed to be there for reason or another no one thinks any different.
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PonyGrl420
location:
NY
Gender: Female
huh??
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<Reply # 57 on 12/18/2003 10:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mr. Motts
I think the Office of Mental Health department (at least in NY) also have police authority. These guys hang around the old asylums here a lot.
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hehe I know them well. Most of the time I will outrun them, if i know i have a chance. Most of the time they will be in some kinda vehicle lit up like day light and you see them coming froma mile away and can dart into the woods or somthing. It all depends on the situaltion
The other night we were comin outa a building at one of the asylums around here. All of us were out and me and 1 guy were rigth by the walk way behind it, the 3rd member of our party was reboarding a loose board we had pulled off to get in. There was a lil stupidity on our part, it had started out as a day time scouting mission and then we decided to check out the ward where my mom worked, by the time we got out it was dark and our car was in the lot (only allowed to be there during the day) Anyway all of sudden we see lights coming at us, they were far enough away where we coulda hid, but we figured it was close enough to dusk where we could say dark just snuck up and we were making our way out. So the 2 of us walked closer to the trail and the 3rd guy jumped in the bushes around the corner. They came and talked to us told us they have been lookin for us, parks closed and to get out, so we started to walk out. We hear the van stop and them get out, we were convinced they guy we were with was gettin arrested. Then all of a sudden we hear the van flying up to us and they come flyin out with their hands on their handcuffs. They say the building looks like its been broken into and to give em id. We end up talkin our way outa it, and I had already switched the memory cards in my camera so they didnt really have proof if they decided to look. I think thats the closest I ever came to being arrested thoguh. I still think we did the rigth thing by not hiding/running that time, they knew someone was in the park, and when we got back to our car there was a park police jeep sittin there. Plus 3 people hiding in bare under brush probaly woulda givin it away.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
location:
South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 58 on 12/19/2003 12:30 AM >
| | | | My comment said have a good alibi or a photo geek as in "im just taking architcture. I stated it so you guys would get both sides. I believe that most of this stuff is physically challangeing when you do things like Jester myself and a few others do. I think most things like tunneling going in subways has to be far harder then entering abandonedbuildings hence my statment.
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Ferret
location:
Toronto
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<Reply # 59 on 12/19/2003 6:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
My comment said have a good alibi or a photo geek as in "im just taking architcture. I stated it so you guys would get both sides. I believe that most of this stuff is physically challangeing when you do things like Jester myself and a few others do. I think most things like tunneling going in subways has to be far harder then entering abandonedbuildings hence my statment.
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Don't judge physical ability purely on the ability to run. Skill and a lot of natural talent still make me a very competent climber, despite a damaged and unreliable knee. For me, a climb up a 40' cliff face with no ropes is less risky than running accross a field, but not that useful for evading people. While we prefer industrial decay and abandonment, those aren't the only places we go, we just plan around the fact that there will be no opportunity to run if found.
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