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Juggslayer McVomit
 
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<Reply # 40 on 2/23/2006 7:37 PM >
|  | | | This is quickly turning into a discussion very similar to everything I've read on backpacking. Take along as much gear as you feel comfortable carrying, and after a few times of taking along way too much gear and dying under the weight, decide what's necessary and what isn't. Also, if you can't feel comfortable unless you have all your equipment along, maybe shorten the time you spend out on site. If you still can't feel comfortable, stop exploring altogether and get your whiny bullshit off this forum. And never be the gear whore who makes everyone else carry their stuff who uses the lousy justification that everyone makes use of the gear if it's necessary and therefore should have to carry it. I keep the gear in my trunk and go get it if it's necessary and pack light. I don't pack light so I can load myself down with your crap though, except perhaps to be the beer sherpa, a timeless honorable tradition that should be shared amongst all who partake.
| Accept it as a potential hazard or don't explore. Urban Exploration is a stupid, stupid hobby full of risks. Be aware of them, take precautions, but if you want total safety stay at home, turn off the lights and hide under your bed. |
Thank you Kay, I couldn't have said it better myself. This is like kids who larp and get mad when you hit them with large sticks, or take martial arts and get mad when you monkey stomp their punk asses. Maybe we should have a thread about tactics to reduce the weight and size of gear though... Maybe something like that already exists that I'm unaware of...
-J
P.S. has anyone else been stopped by the police for wearing their gas mask?
P.P.S. a gas mask is extremely useful in a riot situation, especially when cops just mace you for no apparent reason (see veishea at ISU last year)
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<Reply # 41 on 2/24/2006 2:44 AM >
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IF This thred gets any farther/longer I'm going to Eat my right hand, and that's The one.
I use for the most Important things, so it's a big deal.
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<Reply # 42 on 2/24/2006 10:45 AM >
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IF This thred gets any farther/longer I'm going to Eat my right hand, and that's The one.
I use for the most Important things, so it's a big deal.
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What was the point of all that, exactly?
I wear mine during an exploration until I have sufficient evidence that it's not needed. I figure there's no point in taking any unnecessary risks. I didn't know about keeping the filters separate and in a bag, though. Thanks for the tip.
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Glass
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<Reply # 43 on 2/24/2006 2:01 PM >
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What was the point of all that, exactly?
I wear mine during an exploration until I have sufficient evidence that it's not needed. I figure there's no point in taking any unnecessary risks. I didn't know about keeping the filters separate and in a bag, though. Thanks for the tip.
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I was illuminating the fact that there's no new way to cast the asbestos thread--no new ground. It's a crazy idea, but I think that we should be happy about the information that's already on here and let people experiment. Urban exploration isn't all about knowing exactly what to do around the next turn, you need to see what you're comfortable with: Asbestos is a facet of that.
If you have a filter, come people recommend that you use it--a lot of people don't use it and they're just fine, though, so don't think a couple trips into that cool building down the street is going to knock down your lung capacity.
If there's anything important yet to be discussed in this thread, it's identifying (a): A lot of people new to the hobby don't even know what asbestos looks like (or tastes like!)... I'll have to dig up a picture.
In the meantime, I think the new batch of members are informed as to the effectiveness of filters in certain situations to the extent they can now choose to go without it, or (like I often do) pack it and decide to use it if they come in contact with dangerous substances in concentrated, airborn form.
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Juggslayer McVomit
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| | | Re: When to wear a filter
<Reply # 44 on 2/24/2006 2:34 PM >
| | | | How about just a few links to some places that sell different gas masks, what kind you personally use, things that have caused you to go with a particular gas mask, and what filters are easily available and most useful for which situations. In other words, one intelligent post could silence the whole discussion and I simply don't know enough about the filters to make a really educated post.
-J
-To sum up: 1. The cosmos is a gigantic fly-wheel making 10, 000 revolutions a minute. 2. Man is a sick fly taking a dizzy ride on it. 3. Religion is the theory that the wheel was designed and set spinning to give him the ride.
-Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods.
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<Reply # 45 on 2/24/2006 4:52 PM >
| | | | Tons of info in this thread: http://www.uer.ca/...d=10223&currpage=2
Any P100 canister will protect you from 99.9% of asbestos: I use an AOS Safety-brand half-mask respirator which is great quality, inexpensive ($25 at most hardware stores) and I know of several other people with the same mask that love it as much as I do.
You can get a p100 pask almost anywhere on the internet... you can go to ebay for a great selection: http://search.ebay...le=p100+respirator
Just a terminology note: asbestos doesn't require gas masks; only respirators. Gas masks are for airborne chemical agents; respirators are suuped-up painting masks that trap particles in the filter, rather than chemically treat the air as it passes through.
There's a shitton of information in uer about asbestos (this thread topic rebirths about every two weeks) so don't give that big blue 'Search' button a second thought!
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<Reply # 46 on 2/24/2006 6:56 PM >
| | | | Masks are for Mary's and guys my age. I personally don't wear one because I don't want to live that long. It only takes off the last 10 years at the end. They can have them, I don't want them. The diaper wearin, droolin, someone else wipin my ass years.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
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<Reply # 47 on 2/24/2006 7:50 PM >
| | | | It's funny that people are using "I don't use a respirator and I'm fine" as a reason not to wear one. According to what I've read you can develop complications from exposure 20-40 years after exposure...
I hear people saying they don't care...I don't live a risk free life...everyone chooses their risks. To me it seems like a risk that's just stupid and completely unnecessary to take when 30 bucks will basically eliminate the danger, but that's every individuals call to make. I just think it's silly to bust people's balls for wearing one just to seem like a hardcore motherfucker. I hope none of the ironmen among us are regretting their bravado 10 or 20 years down the line.
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<Reply # 48 on 2/24/2006 8:13 PM >
| | | | I generally find i will wear it strait away and look around for any possible signs of asbestos. It depends on the location though. If you are going to a radio mast obviously you won't need one but if you go to a sewage works i find it is personal choise really.
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<Reply # 49 on 3/1/2006 4:30 AM >
| | | | after doing a little research of my own, i think the best/surest way to be safe is to know where you're going -- don't be afraid to pull up what you can online about the site. Even requesting information from the original builders can't hurt if it's someplace that warrants that great a degree of concern.
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<Reply # 50 on 3/6/2006 8:18 PM >
| | | | asbestos, asbestos, asbestos, it's everywhere. It's blowing down the street. It's how much is in the air you inhale that counts. If your think putting on a respirator gives you a warrant to shred pipe insulation like confetti guess again. If the site is damp, not windy, and your not stirring up dust it's probably not a concern. If the site is heavily contaminated and it's airborn, you'll need to do more than just wearing a respirator to properly protect yourself. More of a threat I feel are falls, and eye damaged. The results are instant and tangible. Wearing/bringing to much gear can and does reduce your concentration, and ability to react. I like the aftertaste of mold. Yum.
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<Reply # 51 on 3/6/2006 9:25 PM >
| | | | Posted by J Peterman
What sort of filter is best to use for sewering?
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Sewering? err you mean draining? There can be Hydrogen Sulfide, Carbon Monoxide, and Methane. You dont need a filter, but an gas alarm would be good. You can get a explosive gas/CO alarm that runs on batteries, which would be a good idea.
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Krawnik
 
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<Reply # 52 on 3/7/2006 3:36 AM >
| | | | I know I'm totally lame frosh for saying it, but I had to thank everyone in general for heling out with the asbestos problem. Of course hearing that some sites contain highly toxic bits of shit in the air will scare some Urbex virgins, but being better informed definetly calms the nerves. I'm gonna go down to Canadian Tire and grab the respirator Glass reccomended, probably tomorrow, 'cuz I'm planning to infiltrate a pretty crumbly/abandoned site in the next week or so.
Thanks for the help everyone.
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Capncontrary
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| | When do you use a respirator?
<Reply # 53 on 1/9/2007 5:08 PM >
| | | | How much asbestos, or other airborne particles, is really "too much" where you decide to use a respirator at a site? Do you use one any time there's an chance of them at a site, or just places where you expect to see a high concentration of airborne particles?
It seems to me that (for instance) spending a few hours at a place with some asbestos-insulated pipes isn't worth all the hullabaloo of a face mask, but I admittedly don't know a ton about it.
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| | | Re: When do you use a respirator?
<Reply # 54 on 1/9/2007 6:58 PM >
| | | | The answer to your question is NEVER.
In five years, I've used a respirator ONCE. They're really quite impractical in most places. You need to know exactly what kind of filters to use if you're going into hazardous sites anyway (often regular filters won't do).
And most places with asbestos aren't dangerous as long as you don't disturb the asbestos. Most active old buildings today have asbestos in them. The reason they aren't cleared out is because asbestos is expensive to remove, and not a threat if it's just left alone. An asbestos warning sign on the door might just be telling you the building has asbestos insulation, which is common with most older buildings, and thus not something to get worked up about.
There are of course some exceptions to this. There are some abandonments where asbestos has been stacked in huge piles in rooms. Places like that are actually somewhat dangerous, and you're better off avoiding them. But limited exposure is nothing to get too upset over.
I find that the most problematic element I find in the air is actually pidgeon droppings. Bird crap is abundant in many abandonments, and breathing the stuff in can be nasty for your health. A respirator is useful in places like this. However, a much easier, more portable, and all around more practical tool to carry for this is just the standard disposeable painter's face masks. They do a good job, and you can throw them away at a moment's notice.
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<Reply # 55 on 1/9/2007 7:00 PM >
| | | | not nearly as often as I should. I really need to smarten up lol
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DeMiNe0
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<Reply # 56 on 1/9/2007 7:24 PM >
| | | | Honestly, i use painters masks if anything. Asbestos I don't worry about much since i really tend to stay away from it anyway. Painters masks work well enough to filter bird shit and dust.
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PunkUE
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| | | | Re: When do you use a respirator?
<Reply # 57 on 1/9/2007 7:48 PM >
| | | | I really only wear mine if a scrapper has been through a building because theres a much better chance the asbestos has been disturbed. I also wear it sometimes if im going to be in a building that is well boarded up with little airflow. Im sick of coughing up dust.
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| | Re: When do you use a respirator?
<Reply # 58 on 1/9/2007 8:35 PM >
|  | | | This is a good question, and I think I have seen some discussion of it elsewhere on this board. Ill preface the following by saying that I am not a doctor, nor do I work for OSHA, in other words, Im not an expert. However, I have worked in a few different environments that are saturated with FINE silica particulate, and consequentially have had to educate myself about respirators.
The first thing that I find somewhat disturbing is the fact that a couple times on here, and multiple times in the real world, I have seen people mention simply using a "painter's mask"... This is a pretty vague term, and it can be confusing to people unfamiliar with repirators, and even to thsoe of us who have experience using them... To illustrate: http://www.tasco-s...tor-dust-mask.html
Those are MANY different kinds of "painters masks" or "dust masks"... They have specialized purposes and capabilities, and should not be used beyond or outside of these, it CAN be deadly... maybe not now, but I have friends who have major respritory issues due to improper or non-use of respirators. Im not saying this all to be a dick, im concerned and interested in helping.
The obvious question is "So what respirators are safe for what environments?"
I could sit here and retype what has already been written elsewhere, but instead Ill refer you to the following PDF file http://javascritp:...s/ez275.pdf',true)
Its on labsafety.com, lab safety is a safety supply company, im not associated with them, just an easy reference--plus if you browse their site, you can visually see what kinds of filters and repirators they are talking about. I dont want to get (any more?) preachy, so Im going to end this by saying that proper use of a respirator is a serious matter--if nothing else, understand the risks--dont let yourself get lulled into a false sense of security by the wrong mask or filter--know what you need, get it, and use it. Thats all--apologies if this was long winded.
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| | | Re: When do you use a respirator?
<Reply # 59 on 1/11/2007 6:58 AM >
| | | | ive definitely already seen more than a few posts here about asbestos and related but as far as i know -
inhaling any amount of asbestos is bad. it might not ever effect you, it might take 20 years either way id rather not take that chance. most older tunnels seem to have asbestos pipe insulation, as i was literally crawling through it the other day.
inside of buildings seems to be fiberglass insulation which isnt so bad. i wouldnt be too concerned with pigeon shit though as most of the diseases possibly present would need to be inhaled in very large amounts. unless you decide to clean up all of it, i think you'll be ok. lead im not too sure about but its in a good amount of the paint you'll come across. i dont think ill chance eating it for lunch.
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