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L'ynx
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< on 11/12/2005 2:51 AM >
|  | | | So, I've been poking around the site reading articles and stories about the communitys UE expierence. Read some "how to's" got a good idea of what to do and what not to do. So off me and 2 VERY close friends went to our first trek to a building that has been vacant for more then 5 years.
We were doing great, Although we did have to break one window which we knew we shouldnt have but, it was one of those choices you had to make and couldnt take back. If we hadn't we wouldnt have been able to get into the building. Thats no reason to break a window, we know, and we know we shouldn't have; we're sorry but we gotta move onto the main part in this story.
So we get inside after alot of window shopping (checking things out from the outside). We hopped down into a storage room with the power pannel on the far wall. Some of the switches were for the "Sec Power". We kinda suspected that ment Security Power, but we didnt wanna chance anything. Turning off the power in some systems causes a "trouble" signal which goes back to the company as a problem. So we left the "Sec System" on.
We walk out around the corner into a big room. We KNEW there would be motion detectors, as we seen the "guardsman" security stickers in all the windows. so we checked every corner of every wall and found no motion detectors. Just as we thought all was good we walked out around a little corner looked directly at the wall to find a magical little box with a tiny red light on it.
Sirens went off and we ran faster then roadrunner on coke.
The crappy thing about this is we only got to explore one room. We KNOW the place has at least 4 levels, From parents and pictures we've seen from the building. Its a goldmine of a UE but those pesky Motion detectors are keeping us from exploring the rest of the building.
Does anyone have ANY idea how do disable them? they are motion detectors and they are active. we triped them and the alarm went off and later that night the cops showed up.
We are fully capeable of manuvering close enough to disable them. Although we dont know what to use. Spraypant? tinfoil? what can we use to cover this thing to blind it from seeing our movements and sounding the alarm??? Any help would be GREATLY appreaciated, as we do plan to go back and try again.
Heres pictures of the building while it was in use. http://www.coastal...rg.uk/halifax3.htm
We really wanna explore more of the awsome building. so any hints or tips would be great. Thanks guys. and sorry for the long story.
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BeaverBanker
   
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Canunkastan
Gender: Male
A Hobo In A Orange Sweater
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<Reply # 1 on 11/12/2005 3:02 AM >
|  | | | Lmao ..i was going to go out sometime this weekend, To scout out that location
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L'ynx
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 2 on 11/12/2005 3:08 AM >
| | | | Its a great place man lol We've been checkin it out for a coule weeks now; curiousity got the best of us so we went out today to find its creepin with Motion Detectors.
We need help lol how do we cover em up or disable them?
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res_novae
location:
NoVA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 3 on 11/12/2005 8:44 PM >
| | | | http://home.howstu...om/question238.htm
Don't have time to read it, but it may contain or have links to something that contains the pertinent information you have so requested. :-p
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Mellon_Collie
location:
Utah'ish
Gender: Male
Chingblot.
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<Reply # 4 on 11/12/2005 9:56 PM >
| | | | I never really got active alarm systems in abandonments  Oh well. I guess it looks like a pretty official radio/telegraph place probably owned by the government so that would sort of explain it.
At any rate, I imagine that somewhere on the internet there is some information as to how you could disable them. Maybe the anarchist's cookbook or similar?
How is that you can get close enough to disable them without setting them off?
If you can get close enough, you could maybe figure out what kind they are and from that you might extrapolate a solution. I honestly do not know much about motion dectectors, but that is a good enough reason to go to the wikipedia and find out about them! In the movies, they always use smoke. It always works for them lol.
I will see what I can find and post whatever I can later.
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Mellon_Collie
location:
Utah'ish
Gender: Male
Chingblot.
| | | | Re: Motion Detectors!!
<Reply # 5 on 11/12/2005 11:22 PM >
| | | | I do not have a lot of time to do research, but I did find this link out: http://www.totse.com/en/technology/science_technology/pirmechanics171383.html
I also found out that you can keep some magnetic door alarms from setting of an alarm by placing a magnet on them, but some of the more well made ones (GE, Honeywell, etc...) Have a way of defeating those.
At any rate if I get the time to find out more, I definitely will, it was kind of interesting and exciting. I guess it was the prospects 
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HillbillyHorus
 
location:
Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
| | | Re: Motion Detectors!!
<Reply # 6 on 11/12/2005 11:56 PM >
| | | | <sarcasm>You broke a window?! It's people like you who put the future of UE at risk!</sarcasm>
I guess one could cut the cable (if it runs to the side that you're on), but that would probably be noticed. Just try finding another route, and you may want to wait a few weeks as security may very well have been upped since the incedent. I've heard of places where there's only motion detectors on the first floor, hopefully this is one such place as it looks quite cool.
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kjones
location:
Providence, RI
Gender: Male
Ninja? Or frightened little boy?
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<Reply # 7 on 11/13/2005 12:15 AM >
| | | | Cutting the cable while the alarm is active will often set off the alarm.
The most common type of "motion detector" is a passive infrared sensor, which constantly detects all the sources of infrared within a room and trips if it detects any sudden (don't try to slowly walk past them, it doesn't work) change in infrared. These are the kind used in most home security systems (like ADT) and are both simple and effective.
My experience in the area is a little different, since I was exploring my own school, to which I had access during the day, but wanted to explore some other parts at night. So during the day, when the alarm was off, I covered some of the key motion detectors in my way with sheets of mylar, backed with white construction paper (so nobody would notice... surprising, no? It worked.) so that no infrared could get through. But this probably won't help you much. Those other links are good, read them.
Forbidden fruit a flavor has
That lawful orchards mocks;
How luscious lies the pea within
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Pleiades
location:
Halifax
Gender: Male
| | Re: Motion Detectors!!
<Reply # 8 on 11/13/2005 12:32 AM >
| | | | Ok, I did a little testing at home, and I was able to come up to a motion sensor outside of its field of view and cover it with something, once its covered, it won't detect you.
I tried a number of different materials to see what I could slip in front of the sensor without it going off. I found that although a variety of materials would disable the sensor if placed in front of it, some materials are very difficult, if not impossible to slip in front of the sensor without it going off, namely anything reflective. I found that a sheet of corrugated cardboard worked pretty well. You could probably cover the sensor with the cardboard and then tape it to the wall, allowing you to walk around in safety.
If your house doesn't have any motion activated lights or anything, buy a motion sensor and practice with it on the "test" setting with the sensitivity cranked up.
The only problem is that you don't want to leave the sensors covered after you leave, because it's an obvious sign someone has broken into the building, and security may be further heightened. It is pretty difficult, not to mention time consuming to uncover all the sensors on your way out without setting them off, but maybe if you do them fast enough then haul ass out of there it could work.
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HillbillyHorus
location:
Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
| | | Re: Motion Detectors!!
<Reply # 9 on 11/13/2005 1:03 AM >
| | | | Posted by Pleiades
Ok, I did a little testing at home, and I was able to come up to a motion sensor outside of its field of view and cover it with something, once its covered, it won't detect you.
I tried a number of different materials to see what I could slip in front of the sensor without it going off. I found that although a variety of materials would disable the sensor if placed in front of it, some materials are very difficult, if not impossible to slip in front of the sensor without it going off, namely anything reflective. I found that a sheet of corrugated cardboard worked pretty well. You could probably cover the sensor with the cardboard and then tape it to the wall, allowing you to walk around in safety.
If your house doesn't have any motion activated lights or anything, buy a motion sensor and practice with it on the "test" setting with the sensitivity cranked up.
The only problem is that you don't want to leave the sensors covered after you leave, because it's an obvious sign someone has broken into the building, and security may be further heightened. It is pretty difficult, not to mention time consuming to uncover all the sensors on your way out without setting them off, but maybe if you do them fast enough then haul ass out of there it could work.
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That's a great idea. You should post about it in the encyclopedia (maybe after a little more testing).
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L'ynx
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 10 on 11/13/2005 1:30 AM >
| | | | Thanks guys! This INFO is a Huge step forward in helping not just me, but everyone else who ever runs into IR Motion Detectors on their UE adventures. Keep it up!
We were going to go back tomorow (2 Days after the first Strike). We kinda thought it might be a little soon, but we know our way around the woods, the only thing holding us back might be a police dog lol, hopfully we're gone before they get there to releace them.
Either way, next time we are there were going to try and cut the power to the entire building. maby the system would just think its a normal power outage. Only thing is alot of average to high end systems have backup power. Its turning into quite a hefty task just to check this building out, but we all know its well worth it.
Thanks again for all the info, its really gonna help out the community when they run into this kind of thing. kudos everyone!
P.S yes it is a government building, recently bought by some rich guy who just collects land for a hobby.
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HillbillyHorus
location:
Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
| | | Re: Motion Detectors!!
<Reply # 11 on 11/13/2005 1:43 AM >
| | | | Posted by L'ynx
Either way, next time we are there were going to try and cut the power to the entire building. maby the system would just think its a normal power outage. Only thing is alot of average to high end systems have backup power. Its turning into quite a hefty task just to check this building out, but we all know its well worth it.
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I wouldn't reccomend that. Likely they'd send people over to fix it. Normally they might wait a while, but given the fact you were almost caught there a couple days ago they might investigate quicker. I'd wait a few weeks. Better safe than arrested.
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Pleiades
location:
Halifax
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 12 on 11/13/2005 3:05 AM >
| | | | Did some more testing, a little more realistic this time. After many failed attempts I was able to very very slowly slip a piece of cardboard (5x3 inches) with tape tabs on either side over the sensor on an exterior floodlight in my home. I must point out that it takes quite a bit of patience as the cardboard must be slid into place quite slowly (took me 20-30 seconds of sliding to cover the sensor). Once the sensor was covered I folded it around and taped it down, then I proceeded to do a little victory dance in font of it (without it going off).
Interestingly I got the same feeling of elation when I succeeded as I do when I pick a lock.
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BeaverBanker
location:
Canunkastan
Gender: Male
A Hobo In A Orange Sweater
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<Reply # 13 on 11/13/2005 3:25 AM >
| | | | When my parents leave the house. (might not be till monday) ill try some test on Motion Detectors for our security system. It should be a more realist test then flood light sensors.
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Pleiades
location:
Halifax
Gender: Male
| | Re: Motion Detectors!!
<Reply # 14 on 11/13/2005 3:30 AM >
| | | | Just make sure your security system doesnt automatically call the security company (maybe it has a test mode or something)
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dlp_qc
location:
Québec cité
Gender: Male
What have you learned today ?
| | Re: Motion Detectors!!
<Reply # 15 on 11/13/2005 5:15 AM >
| | | | I have myself a motion detector at my house, I didn't make any test but as far I know the sensor doesn't go thru glass, I dont know how it could be useful for you but hey.
About cutting the power, like you said every motion detector have battery and they can stay active long enough, so you could cut the wire and come back a week later, the battery will certainly be depleted. Shutting the system won't be perceptible from the central. The best would be to find the " command center" of the motion detector and cut ALL wires, so even if the alarm start, it wont be able to call the station and if you have really cut all wire it wont gonna make a sound at all.
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kjones
location:
Providence, RI
Gender: Male
Ninja? Or frightened little boy?
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<Reply # 16 on 11/13/2005 1:32 PM >
| | | | dip-qc: Many alarm systems have a wireless backup, to circumvent the simple countermeasure of cutting the phone line so that they can't call the police. Maybe drop a Faraday cage over the whole thing?...
Forbidden fruit a flavor has
That lawful orchards mocks;
How luscious lies the pea within
The pod that Duty locks!
-Emily Dickinson on UE |
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BeaverBanker
location:
Canunkastan
Gender: Male
A Hobo In A Orange Sweater
| | Re: Motion Detectors!!
<Reply # 17 on 11/13/2005 3:08 PM >
| | | | i know, our system has 45sec to disarm after u set it off, also its has backup battery and some little cell phone thing too if the phone line gets cut... im doing my test now so ill post my results in a few.
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BeaverBanker
location:
Canunkastan
Gender: Male
A Hobo In A Orange Sweater
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<Reply # 18 on 11/13/2005 3:39 PM >
| | | | ok It worked!!! This is what i did. i tried it 3 times just to make sure.
First i went to the kitchen and got some tin foil and and folded it over 3 or for times so it was thicker and made a slight curve. Then i armed our system and went and stoof in to corner waiting for it to activate. Then oce it said "system armed" i extremely slowly moved my piece of tin foil in front on the sensor (sliding it upwards from the bottom). And taped it to the wall. (it was about 3/8" from the sensor" then i was able to walk to the other side of the room doing a happy dance grab my camara and take these pictures. then i went back to the corner slowly removed the tin foil, then after i took the tin foil down i took two steps and the system went off.
so this should work for you too
Note: if it doesn't work, its not my fault so don't get all pissed off at me
One other thing i should add. where you broke the window last time. hopefully they didn't install a glass breaker, ( a glass breaker is a device that can tell when glass is broken and it sets off the system)
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Opheliaism
 
Moderator
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Out on the border of everything and nothing, TN
Ophie
| | | Re: Motion Detectors!!
<Reply # 19 on 11/13/2005 4:53 PM >
| | | | I am just wondering if you hung around in a safe location after you intially set the sensors off. Did anyone actually come to investigate the alarm going off?
I know that twice I went into a downtown highrise and set off an alarm, ran like hell to get out, then waited about 15 minutes across the way to see if the police or a security company arrived. After there was no response, went back in and just had to deal with noise of the alarm going off until it reset itself. Of the 33 floors only the lobby had this alarm and it was not the floor we used to gain access.
I imagine that in my case the alarm was only active in the building and was not connected to any security service.
Just a thought....I am interested to hear how it goes with this location though.
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