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Labec
 
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|  | | | I was wondering if there is a certain or more prefered way to go about using a hook. I have come across a wall that I want to get across....Its inside of an old gravel quarry and the ready mix tower sits behind this wall.
But ya from what Ive read on here it seems tying knots all the way up as make shift steps is a popular way, Though I was wondering if even just using the rope straight and climbing that way is very feasible? or a big waste of time.
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 1 on 11/10/2005 5:10 AM >
|  | | | What kind of wall are you dealing with?
Your best bet is likely to take a running leap at the wall and pull yourself over. If that is not possible a ladder of opportunity (wooden pallet, planks leaned against the wall or something similar) might work well.
Grappling hooks are highly suspicious and I'm sure you would have a great deal of difficulty explaining why you have one on you should you get caught.
If you must use one knots along the rope can help or a series of bowlines tied at regular intervals can act as impromptu steps.
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 2 on 11/10/2005 5:59 AM >
| | | | http://www.ustacti....com/grabber.shtml
That'd get the job done.
Don't use a regular knot.. use a figure eight if you're going to be putting weight on it. http://www.chockst...chTips/F8Knots.htm Substitute harness with grappling hook and you'll be set.
Note: there may be a safer knot that I don't know about, but the figure eight is more than sufficient, I've taken 20 feet falls while lead climbing onto figure eights with no problems.
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Labec
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 3 on 11/10/2005 6:14 AM >
| | | | Yeah, I tried a running leap. Ended up with me on the ground looking skyward, its just a little too high. But I will try the figure 8 and see how it goes. If all else fails I can probably scrounge for some stuff to climb on.
Never seen one of those US Army Grabbers....quite the device 
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<Reply # 4 on 11/12/2005 12:00 PM >
| | | | http://www.uer.ca/...rrpage=2&pp#post23
Don't use knots since if your put knots in it you can't use the rope with any gear such as ascenders or Figure 8s
Me and shinken made a rope climbing 101 a lil ways back and posted it (which is that link) it is the best way to climb a rope (that I know of) where your not wasting energy and retain full use of the rope
As a side note, How thick is your rope? thin rope is allot harder to climb without gear and extremely thick rope is also somewhat of a pain..
Best rope for climbing without gear, in my opinion at least, is somewhere around 11mm (which I would say is the ideal rope size no matter what, unless you make a rig to climb tiny rope like paracord)
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| | | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 5 on 11/12/2005 11:28 PM >
| | | | This may be redundant considering your in a gravel quarry, but its worth it to ask...
Is there any trees, fallen logs, or 2x4s you can use to get over in some way shape or form?
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Labec
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 6 on 11/13/2005 10:42 AM >
| | | | Yeah the rope that came with it was pretty bad. I was scared to even try and hang off of it. I got some the 11mm stuff...seems pretty sturdy to me! Changing the size of the rope may help. Ill have to go back sometime this week and try out my new toy.
As for stuff to climb on or build some kind of platform its pretty scarce up there. Its a semi active quarry and doesnt see a lot of action anymore, so there really isnt much in the way of "equipment". But thanks for the tips! Now I just got to go and try and make it work! lol
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 7 on 11/21/2005 10:18 PM >
|  | | | What you really really want to do is:
Get a large rope for the grappling hook (pref 10-11mm)
get a thinner rope (preferably 1/2 the large's diameter)
get a harness (i use two military webbing belts and they work fine).
Tie the thin rope into a loop about 1 foot long, and into another as long + the distance from your foot to your hips.
now you tie the small ones as prussiks/klemhersts to the rope and your harness, and you can, by alternately weighting and sliding, make your way up the rope. This works cause the knots refuse to slide when weight is hanging on them. I used this method on a tree (for practice for when i climb a steeple) and it works quite well.
How to tie the kleh-whatever knot for those of you too lazy to google: wrap the loop around the larger rope three times in an upward spiral, and come down threading through the bottom where you started. Then with the loop you have hanging there, knot/biner/use the hardware stores locking ring things (my choice), to your harness.
It is an easy way to go straight any rope, and cheaper than ascenders.
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 8 on 11/25/2005 5:45 AM >
| | | | I've been thinking about getting a grappling hook myself.
But that one is a bit expensive. There's always a chance I might lose it and then what?
I'm thinking of getting this one. Does anyone know if it's a good one?
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| |  | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 9 on 11/25/2005 7:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by Persephone
I've been thinking about getting a grappling hook myself.
But that one is a bit expensive. There's always a chance I might lose it and then what?
I'm thinking of getting this one. Does anyone know if it's a good one?
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| | | | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 10 on 11/25/2005 7:18 PM >
| | | | Posted by Persephone
I've been thinking about getting a grappling hook myself.
But that one is a bit expensive. There's always a chance I might lose it and then what?
I'm thinking of getting this one. Does anyone know if it's a good one?
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It's kinda shitty and the rope is completely worthless (we've snapped it a few times)
But for a hook under $100 it's your best (and just about only) bet, Just reform the hooks as you bend them from climbing on the thing..
It's not too bad.. as long as you get new rope.. we've gotten a few of them over the years, more then likely better off buying a hella nice one off the bat but gunna cost ya alot..
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 11 on 11/26/2005 3:07 AM >
| | | | Thats the hook I have. I Used it today to get up ontop of my old elementary school (found a lot of balls up there, btw). It's a workable hook, I replaced the rope with my 11 mil as the one that came with kept slipping through the gap in the hook's loop. Also, I lost the nut/spring on top (I should prob replace the nut eventually). I didn't backup my harness knot and fell 4' onto my tailbone, but that's my own fault for being stupid. If it's a small wall, I'd recommend tying little loops in it, but I wanted the practice with ascenders (I tied loops in it for my little brother to get up though). It's quite certainly a useful tool, and I'd recommend it (the pos one) if you don't need it to be high quality (most my gear is ghetto so it fits right in).
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 12 on 11/26/2005 8:14 PM >
| | | | Where do you guys think is the best place to get good rope? Hopefully nothing too expensive.
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 13 on 11/27/2005 1:43 AM >
| | | | You can get surplus rope almost anywhere, but thats if you want 150feet for about 55ish shipped, or 300$ worth. I bought mine on ebay from "Ron's Rope" Just make sure you get sheath rope and not some of other type. http://stores.ebay.com/RONS-ROPE_W0QQssPageNameZviQ3asibQ3astoreviewQQtZkm
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| | | | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 14 on 11/27/2005 10:22 AM >
| | | | Just search around a bit.. Not too long ago I found some website having a sale that was something like 1mm rope 150' for $50 or something.. just search around and see whos having the best price.. and would recommend static line unless your doing lots of actual rock climbing as well.. Static line is allot easier to climb up since dynamic rope starts to 'bounce' allot after you start climbing it and becomes pretty annoying
Once you have rope I would recommend other gear as well such as a harness, EMS Figure 8, and an ascender (or two if you don't want to learn how to climb a rope)
I would also highly recomend not tying knots in the rope since it eats up your rope and is easier to climb if you bother to learn how without the knots.. also for higher climbs you won't be able to use ascenders for a safety device and figure 8s to rappel.. But thats just my two cents..
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 15 on 2/27/2006 11:11 PM >
| | | | Sorry for bringing such an old discussion back to life, but I've been looking around for more detailed information on g-hooks and this is the closest I've found.
Are there any tutorials available for actual throwing techniques and securing / unsecuring the hook at the top when you're back down and it's time to retrieve your equipment?
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 16 on 2/28/2006 3:02 AM >
| | | | as for unsecuring the hook, and take this with a grain of salt becaulse i have yet to try it, i was thinking a smallish piece of metal tied 1'- 3' down the rope from the hook, give it more momentum to swing it loose.
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 17 on 2/28/2006 4:11 AM >
| | | | To secure, swing in a loop (underhand or overhand, suit yourself and the situiation) and let'er fly. Bounce on it to make sure its really snagged something. To unsecure, well, you can try slacking and popping (rapidly-unslackening) the rope, but personally, I always loop the rope around something and repel down the double line. Its easier and safer.... Typically if your inside you want to go out a normal way, less suspicious and straight up easier.
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 18 on 2/28/2006 5:52 AM >
| | | | I've replaced the grappling hook in my gear bag with all-surface climb suction cups. They measure 1 foot in diameter.
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| | Re: Help with grappling hooks
<Reply # 19 on 2/28/2006 3:26 PM >
| | | | Make sure you have some good, grippy gloves when using a hook. I use a pair of mechanic's gloves.
And wear your tabi - you'll save time and aggravation.
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