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Duke Noble Donor location: Awww-shitby, Ontario Gender: Male Move it or lose it \|	Re: lock picks <Reply # 20 on 1/30/2006 1:11 AM >

	How about a utility belt buckle, made to fit some simple picks and tools. Hmmm, this could work. Time to get into metal casting! Besides, what cop's going to ask to search your big belt buckle shaped like Texas? Contrary to popular belief, death isn't just for dead people. I know I was surprised too! It can happen to anybody! Horses, fiddler crabs, even a potato can die! - Tick

Swimr location: Edmonton, Canada Gender: Male \|	Re: lock picks <Reply # 21 on 2/2/2006 12:01 PM >

	If you don't really feel all that comfortable buying lock picks from the internet (or are just cheap like me) there are various ways to make your own set that works just as well (in my experience anyway). But that's probably a different thread, I'm just giving a heads up for any who are interested. School, Sustinence, Swim, Sleep, Repeat. UE when possible.

aDeLtRiTuS location: south australia Gender: Male \|	Re: lock picks <Reply # 22 on 2/2/2006 2:05 PM >

	a butterfly knife will get you in a shit load more trouble than picks in adelaide. im asthmatic and carry a ventolin with me most of the time and the tension wrench fits nicely in the side of it, the picks are a bit to long.i only have pics that ive made so i have no problems in throwing them if need be.but ive opened the seem a little on my camera case,the picks and wrench fit nicely in there and are pretty hard to notice they are in there to there is no such thing as death,life is just a dream reflected in the eyes of someone that is truley aware of time

Pravus

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Chicago Area
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Re: lock picks
<Reply # 23 on 2/2/2006 10:35 PM >

Posted by MindHacker
As for the butterfly: Illegal in PA, and legal in md only if you have a reason to have a one-handed knife (for your job or something). As such, this hiding place "creates more problems than it solves). I typically won't take a butterfly UEing, as it is another charge and makes me look shadier. Good idea on the belt though, I have a two-ply belt i may try that on.

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I think they are legal actually but won't stop you from getting hastled by cops..
a few years back Balisong were no longer federally illegal so it's by state now..

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I am Legend

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Re: lock picks
<Reply # 24 on 8/24/2006 11:34 PM >

Posted by Pravus
Also another option is get a keyring full of bump keys for the major lock types, I would be willing to put money on it that a cop wouldn't realize what they were..

I believe bump keys are only sold to those who have a locksmithing license.
There is at least one site that sells them to anybody but they are about $80 for a full set (20 keys?). I was thinking about getting some bump keys.

Although a jacknife with removeable picks would be cool. and if you really wanted the police to be confused about what it is, take a Ice Breakers mint case (the really thin kind) pop it open and put the picks in there, about 5 or 6 would fit easily.

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Chronos location: Phoenix, Arizona Gender: Male \|	Re: lock picks <Reply # 25 on 8/25/2006 6:38 AM >

	There are lots of ways to get bumpkeys. You don't have to be a locksmith, actually, I doubt a locksmith would even buy a bumpkey, they wouldn't need it and if they did they could make one. The best bet for getting a bumpkey is to first figure out what blank the lock takes by identifying the keyway or actually seeing the key, than convincing one of those guys who operate key cutting machines to cut you one (social engineering baby). Or you could just make one yourself. There are other methods but bumping scares me so I would prefer not to post them. "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more." -Mark Twain

Mr.Coffee location: Coming to a theatre near you! Gender: Male Everyone agrees, I'm Rad. \| \| \|	Re: lock picks <Reply # 26 on 8/25/2006 3:55 PM >

	Bumping isn't as easy as it looks either, first off you have to have a properly made bump key, and that's not just cutting every stop to it's lowest position, you have to modify the tip and shoulder as well. then you have to practice quite a bit,since you only have a fraction of a second to move the lock cylinder before the springs push the pins back down. Your best bet with a set of bump keys is to make your own, because by the time you understand how to, you'll have gained more knowledge about locks, and might actually be able to use them. also, unless you can get key blanks for Professional locks, all a set of bump keys will enable you to do is break into peoples' houses, and that's not what this site is about. Coming To a Theatre Near You!

Chronos

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Phoenix, Arizona
Gender: Male

Re: lock picks
<Reply # 27 on 8/28/2006 8:15 AM >

Posted by Mr.Coffee
also, unless you can get key blanks for Professional locks, all a set of bump keys will enable you to do is break into peoples' houses, and that's not what this site is about.

Good call. I'm an avid lockpicker and, in all honesty, am against picking any lock that doesn't belong to you. That being said, if you are going to get passed a lock on an abandonment, I would definitly encourage you to learn to pick. It is much more versatile and you can't do it without quite a bit of practice, through which you will (hopefully) have picked up some info on lockpicks and the law, and have rethought picking locks while exploring. I would (strongly) advise against it. In my state if you are caught with lockpicks on you, you have to basically convince a judge that you did not have the intent to use them to pick a lock that didn't belong to you, or it's another felony charge for posession of burglery tools, and if you are caught with picks while at a site, good luck convincing the judge.

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hatsumi \| \|	Re: lock picks <Reply # 28 on 8/30/2006 6:00 AM >

	this may qualify as a stupid question, sure i'll find out soon enough.... can a lock be frozen and broken...and how would u achieve this ? also i live in oz, what site would i find bump keys ? thought of making my own but u probably need some power tool ? if not what can i use ? i can figure the rest out from there.... also pls advise some sites who sell em or what to search under other thn 999 or bump key to find them.... thnx drainasaurus maximus

Chronos

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Re: lock picks
<Reply # 29 on 8/30/2006 6:13 AM >

Posted by hatsumi
this may qualify as a stupid question, sure i'll find out soon enough.... can a lock be frozen and broken...and how would u achieve this ?

also i live in oz, what site would i find bump keys ? thought of making my own but u probably need some power tool ? if not what can i use ? i can figure the rest out from there....

also pls advise some sites who sell em or what to search under other thn 999 or bump key to find them....

thnx

In short, no. There is some debate over that but no, there is no practical way to freeze and break a lock. Why do you want to use destructive entry on a lock anyway?

"Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more." -Mark Twain

hatsumi \| \|	Re: lock picks <Reply # 30 on 8/30/2006 7:58 AM >

	errrm , well, i dont have a lockpick, and dont want to carry one...umm just a theory i had really, wandered if anyone shared it, same as dispensing a corrosive agent to the interior of lock i guess.... so i found a cable tunnel and it has a padlock, just conceiving ideas on how im gunna get in, i dont want to use destructive method, dont get me wrong, its certainly way past any method i see myself using, just lookn past lockpicking as my only option really... at the end of the day i dont want to wait 5months ( or how ever long it takes to learn lockpckn ) before i get to see the inside of it - ...this seems like the place to test theories so i imagined the idea may have been explored before.. if i can get in cleanly and replace the lock, that is the optimum outcome every time... is ' shimming ' a lock as simple as it sounds ? thnx for replying drainasaurus maximus

Chronos location: Phoenix, Arizona Gender: Male \|	Re: lock picks <Reply # 31 on 8/30/2006 8:09 AM >

	Shimming is much easier than picking and, in my opinion, easier than bumping. What type of lock is it? "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more." -Mark Twain

hatsumi \| \|	Re: lock picks <Reply # 32 on 8/30/2006 8:15 AM >

	um, its big and silver....so i'll go check the brand name so shimminng...the basic jist i get is to insert thin piece of metal into shackle to release spring load... about right ? so i imagine a) the metal has to be ultra thin, maybe like hacksaw , flexible etc...not sure exactly what to do , well have no idea really, what to do once it is inserted.. but b) again non destructive method is exactly my preference and will be joyous if i can enter and leave untraced, and the site and lck undamaged...jus want to look, sweet 8 - 9ft of ladder heading in and the tunnel sweeps under large freeway and parkland...oh so tempting !! drainasaurus maximus

Chronos location: Phoenix, Arizona Gender: Male \|	Re: lock picks <Reply # 33 on 8/30/2006 8:33 AM >

	Well, that is the basic idea of shimming, but you'll have to dig a little more on the technique and construction if you want to do it; I don't think this is the appropriate forum to discuss technique behind bypassing locks. Trust me, the information is readily available elsewhere. However, I would advise against going in the tunnel, while it does sound very cool, if it's an active sight you could get in a LOT of trouble, and since the entrance is locked up and there is (presumably) no other conceivable way in, all of your excuses just went out the window if you were to get caught. (My dog wandered in here, I just wanted to take some photos, my haki sack went in here earlier, etc) Also, if you do get caught, the fact that you opened the lock, by picking or a bypass method, just made the charges against you a lot worse. If you pick (or shim) the lock you will get charged for possession of burglary tools and B&E, if you destroyed it you will get destruction of private property, B&E, and potentially possession of burglary tools again. That's no fun at all. That being said, there are also ethical concerns raised by entering an active site, picking a lock that doesn't belong to you, and most definitely by destroying a lock that doesn't belong to you. So, there are many reasons, both legal and ethical, not to do this. However, if you do I would advise you to learn to pick or shim the lock. [last edit 8/30/2006 8:35 AM by Chronos - edited 1 times] "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more." -Mark Twain

hatsumi \| \|	Re: lock picks <Reply # 34 on 8/30/2006 8:44 AM >

	these are very valid points , and the reasons i have not entered this site...i imagine it will just remain ' one of those places you cant go ' ...just a place that looks great...meanwhile, in a much more local place is another cable tunnel with only a gatic cover, see through and no lcks...this may be a more reasonable goal to attain...i.e no need to take anything with me ( hang on, sound of phone ringing and stephen hawkings like voice sayn i have new uer message ?!) thanku for ur sensible tips, i will remove the former site from my wish list ! just not worth it.....sob...great reply, much appreciated drainasaurus maximus

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