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ian_evil
   
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<Reply # 60 on 11/6/2005 7:18 AM >
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Not a good idea to do. Believe high court just ruled cops can ask for id & hold you if you do not produce - also if you are caught or suspected of doing something - a response like that just about guarantees being arrested and searched. Sure your lawyer, mom & dad will bail you out but look at the hassle & $$ - would rather just try & get off w/ warning always cooperate --- nothing to hide, etc...
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You'd still give him the identification, but you'd also hand him a card that states that you're fully aware of your fifth amendment rights. Every American citizen is entitled to their constitutional rights, and I don't think that saying you know and understand them puts you in any greater risk than if you let the officer call the shots. Usually, if someone is stopped and the police ask to search their person or their vehicle, and they say, "No, you need a warrant." The police never take the option of arresting that person, because it sets a legal process into motion where the state needs to appoint someone to bring formal charges against you so they can obtain a warrant and a reason to legally detain you. And on top of that, they're still not getting into your personal belongings or questioning you until you have a lawyer there.
There are a lot of rights Americans have that give them power against aggressive legal policies. But when you get caught doing something illegal, obviously they aren't going to explain to you which rights and loopholes will get you out of trouble. There are a lot to just remember, and they can be complicated and confusing. I think having notes on your rights with you, while it may look incriminating, would really help a lot of people that have no idea what they're entitled to.
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slugsgomoo
Gender: Male
evil mooing slugs
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<Reply # 61 on 11/6/2005 9:00 PM >
| | | | As far as legality is concerned, I would consider it very, very unwise to carry a handgun unless you have a proper permit to carry concealed in your state. If you *are* stopped, and are caught carrying a weapon without a CWP/CCP (this includes knives over a certain size), you can be arrested on felony weapons charges.
I have a small legal lockblade that is mostly utility, and I doubt i'd use it for defensive purposes. A 3D maglight is probably most effective for that.
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Tiberius
location:
Philadelphia, PA
Gender: Male
I'm not wearing pants
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<Reply # 62 on 11/7/2005 12:48 AM >
| | | | Axe handle or shortened wood baseball bat, they can be dropped and fit right in as a piece of wood, I carry one when going into a spot in the inner city or a known drug den.
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Glass
    
location:
Chicago
as one does
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<Reply # 63 on 11/19/2005 10:18 PM >
| | | | I carry a big-ass Mag with me when I explore normally... there's an axe handle in my back seat: I'll never NOT be able to drive away. Unless I'm shot.
Hope that never happens.
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HillbillyHorus
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Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
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<Reply # 64 on 11/20/2005 2:46 AM >
| | | | I carry my maglight, and usually have a knife on me just in case (though that goes for when I'm not exploring too). All of my friends have pocket knives as well. Anything beyond that would be unnescesary for me (mostly draining and a couple of small power plants).
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NightWolf
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 65 on 11/20/2005 9:58 PM >
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I carry a big-ass Mag with me when I explore normally... there's an axe handle in my back seat: I'll never NOT be able to drive away. Unless I'm shot.
Hope that never happens.
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res_novae
location:
NoVA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 66 on 11/21/2005 2:12 PM >
| | | | My weapon is insanity....
Nah, you shouldn't carry anything larger than a small knife. It'd be suspicious with anything larger.
However a big big Mag would be a very effective weapon, or a sap cap...I always wanted one of those.
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tick
location:
Abingdon, VA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 67 on 11/21/2005 3:32 PM >
| | | | I have a permit to carry a concealed handgun. If I'm exploring somewhere that it's legal to be at (like the VA Ordnance Works, or the Belle Isle Hydro Plant), I carry a gun. If I'm trespassing, I leave the gun at home.
Oh yeah, and I always have a pocket knife on me. Not for a weapon, but for a tool.
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NightWolf
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 68 on 11/21/2005 8:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by tick
I have a permit to carry a concealed handgun. If I'm exploring somewhere that it's legal to be at (like the VA Ordnance Works, or the Belle Isle Hydro Plant), I carry a gun. If I'm trespassing, I leave the gun at home.
Oh yeah, and I always have a pocket knife on me. Not for a weapon, but for a tool.
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wow a gun,why would you bring to a legal place?and of course in the rules of urban exploring,it says thall shall not bring a gun on a mission.
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lokiplease
location:
Sarasota, Florida [soon to be Orlando, Florida]
Gender: Female
silent hill! <3
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<Reply # 69 on 11/23/2005 6:35 AM >
| | | | Maybe I'm too cautious, but I wouldn't explore a place where I thought I might need a weapon. As for unexpected encounters...well, I'm a fairly small girl, so I always bring a relatively large man along.
I might get some pepper spray one of these days. It'd be difficult to convince me that I need any more than that.
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NightWolf
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 70 on 11/23/2005 8:55 PM >
| | | | you never know what might happen when are out doing UE anything could happen,a hobo could attack,a crazy person could capture you,a dog attacks etc.you can never really predi ct what will happen.BRinging another person is always a good idea,even if its not a big strong man
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SpookyDan
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Baltimore, MD
Gender: Male
Reality Hacker
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<Reply # 71 on 11/23/2005 9:02 PM >
| | | | I carry a decent sized knife (legal blade length) and a can of law enforcement grade mace. Both very effective and perfectly legal so long as they are used in self-defense.
As far as should weapons be carried while exploring.... This is Baltimore, weapons are as common as watches and wallets and should a problem arise I will be prepared.
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Tiberius
location:
Philadelphia, PA
Gender: Male
I'm not wearing pants
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<Reply # 72 on 11/23/2005 11:05 PM >
| | | | Mace is flammable? I had no clue if you had a lighter this could be a very potent weapon I suppose. Yeah any urban environment especially Baltimore with its drug and gang related violence a weapon would be common place.
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Embalming Candy
location:
Baltimore, MD
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 73 on 11/24/2005 7:54 PM >
| | | | What I'd do is bring something that might function as a weapon, but if you're caught with it, it could be construed as being for other purposes. I find a crowbar does the trick.
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Embalming Candy
location:
Baltimore, MD
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 74 on 11/24/2005 7:57 PM >
| | | | What I'd do is bring something that might function as a weapon, but if you're caught with it, it could be construed as being for other purposes. I find a crowbar does the trick.
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cyn1c4l
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 75 on 11/24/2005 8:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by Embalming Candy
I find a crowbar does the trick.
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Getting caught UE'ing with a crowbar might not be the best idea. If you're going to get caught (Now, before anyone jumps in, before RESPONSIBLE UE'ing, you must conceed at least a possibilty that you'll get caught, and thus should have a Plan B as it were), having a BNE tool might not look the best.
Personally, whenever I go, I bring along my trusty Collapsable Baton, otherwise known as an extendobar, or more generally, beating stick. It serves many purposes: balance (think tight-rope, a bit of stretch, but if you're good you can pull it off  ), it's a great tool for moving things that may not be safe (i.e. pushing open mega-rusty doors, bottles of unkown liquid, etc.), and best of all, it's a great bum-deflector. Any crazy crackheads come running at you, you can use it to beat them off. Plus it's compact, visually appealing, and a great party trick ("Hey! Anyone ever seen someone lose a tooth before? Johnny! *WHACK*").
Strongly recommended.
Truth be known, I'm not sure how it is elsewhere, but UE'ing in the Toronto scene can be really sketchy, and that piece of 26" die-cast metal has saved my butt more than once.
-Cyn
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CostinMB
location:
Saskatoon , Saskatchewan
Gender: Male
| | Re: To bring or not to bring: weapons
<Reply # 76 on 11/26/2005 9:08 PM >
| | | | Moe wall,a user here,carrys a crowbar not only as a weapon,but a tool.
You can conceal it easily and it comes in handy for climbing,prying or beating something.
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Pravus
location:
Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 77 on 11/28/2005 6:35 PM >
| | | | Posted by Embalming Candy
I find a crowbar does the trick.
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that kinda dumb.. you just would let them multiply the charges on you from a deadly weapon to robbery tools as well.. you'd be better off ditchin the crowbar and pickin up a knife if you really feel you need a weapon..
If someone gets searched and they find a utility pocket knife they won't think much of it.. they find a crowbar your asking from trouble.. But in any place I would highly recommend not carrying a crowbar because it's not something that people normally should have on thier person randomly
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tick
location:
Abingdon, VA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 78 on 11/28/2005 11:15 PM >
| | | | Posted by NightWolf
wow a gun,why would you bring to a legal place? |
Because I've run into shady people and ended up in shady situations in places that I'd otherwise consider safe. If there's something that's 100% legal (like carrying a concealed handgun) that could one day save my life, I'm going to do it.
And on the topic of crowbars... according to Virginia law, someone could get into much more trouble if caught exploring with a crowbar than with a permitted concealed handgun.
| and of course in the rules of urban exploring,it says thall shall not bring a gun on a mission. |
"Rules of urban exploring"?
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Jonsered
location:
Back in New Mexico where I belong
Gender: Male
Dressed for a scarecrow ball.........
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<Reply # 79 on 11/28/2005 11:38 PM >
| | | | Well, out here in the sticks (New Mexico) we have a remarkably liberal slant on weapons. Want to carry a handgun? Strap it on your waist like John Wayne and its all good. JUST DON'T CONCEAL IT. Feel the need to carry a two handed medieval broadsword? Fine under New Mexico law, JUST DON'T CONCEAL IT. I don't fart around with guns for the most part, unless I'm in the woods. I have a massive solid steel Bowie-type knife with a 14" blade that I use for cleaning animals when hunting. Makes a wonderful crowbar if the need arises, plus the obvious benefits as a weapon, plus it is totally legal to possess anywhere I might go, and I'm not stuck with "carrying burglary tools" if by chance I should meet the gentlemen in blue. I will say, however, that I have never needed a weapon to deal with another person. Animals are a different story.
I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread.
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