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cpkangaroo
      
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Longmont, CO
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 40 on 10/10/2005 6:36 PM >
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Plus the report of a hand gun at very close range .What kind of damage it could do to my hearing.
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Seeing as you should only be firing your weapon if someone's life is in imminent danger, bursting your ear-drums should be the least of your worries.
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totensiebush
 
location:
Berkeley, CA
Gender: Male
neophyte
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<Reply # 41 on 10/11/2005 12:45 AM >
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Depends on the type of mission, I have been on this forum and put my opionion .I stated that I carried a Glock21 but I didn't take all of the possibilities into account . I never thought of rounds coming back at me .Or rounds bouncing around in side of a ROUND tunnel or a metal tunnel for that matter.I got worked up and just put what I was thinking and I came across as a retard .Plus the report of a hand gun at very close range .What kind of damage it could do to my hearing.
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If you are worried that much about ricochet, go with frangible ammunition. It is more likely that you will get hit by something bouncing around (or at least I think you would be) but it would do much less damage to you (and still plenty if you got a direct hit).
And I agree with cpkangaroo, if you are about to shoot someone the noise is the last thing you should worry about. Besides, if it is in a normalish building the noise won't be anywhere near enough to rupture eardrums etc.
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jasonbirder
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<Reply # 42 on 10/11/2005 2:38 PM >
| | | | Weapons...are you guys kidding right?
My opinion is that if you're even thinking about carrying a weapon you're either in the wrong hobby or going to the wrong places...
Play nice kids!
UE has plenty enough physical dangers without adding to them!
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aplz
 
location:
Neo-Berlin (Kitchener)
Gender: Male
When The Detail Lost Its Freedom
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<Reply # 43 on 10/11/2005 5:39 PM >
| | | | I'll post what I said in another thread:
"I know for sure I wouldn't want to go exploring with some guys who pack 9mm's and big knives, because that can lead to more danger then exploring with a Minimag and a water bottle. If some rookie cop or security guard sees a guy roaming around some abandoned building or storm drain or steam tunnels, dressed in BDU's, carrying handgun and 900 dollars in military surplus gear...do I even need to continue?
Guns are ridiculous. The most I bring is a small, 99 cent dollar store kitchen knife, and that isn't used for defense, its used to cut stuff."
For me, its about exploring, not playing army commando. I want to go out, have fun, explore, and take photos. I do not want to go out, use guerilla tactics, super stealth moves, carry around a handgun, knife, 14 bottles of pepperspray, and hundreds of dollars in equipment. I don't see why anybody would. If I was to go exploring with somebody, if he or she were carrying anymore then a knife, I'll tell them to fuck right off. I don't want to be caught up in some beef because some moron pulls a gun because he feels threatened by some crack head squatter with no brain left. Sure he may try to attack you, but use your fists. 10,000 years ago people didn't have guns.
Like jasonbirder said, "UE has plenty enough physical dangers without adding to them!" If you bring a gun, you're an idiot in my eyes. Us Canadians don't carry guns, and we have just as much poverty and crime throughout our country as any 1st world country. Maybe it's only an American thing, but I don't see anybody from Europe, Australia, Canada, Asia etc saying they need to pack a gun with them.
How many of us as teenagers, before we were 18, went around exploring? I'm sure 90% of us. And did any of you bring a gun with you when you were 16 and roamed around an abandoned building? How about a crowbar, pepperspray, or a baton? Do those 12 year old wannabe graffiti kids who paint SEX in big letters of an abandoned factory carry guns? No. So how come now that people are legal age to carry a gun, they feel they must? I'm sure a couple of middle school kids are at more of a risk of being jumped and raped roaming through an abandoned building, then a 24 year old guy carrying a .45 and a big steel rod, but they dont feel the need to carry a gun, or even a knife.
I can safley say in the years and years I've been exploring urban enviroments, I've never felt threatened by anybody. The most I've had were some lame kids skipping school, who thought they'd be cool and try and start shit, untill they realized I was twice their age - and size. No crazy crackheads, no homeless people out to murder you, no psychotic killers. Just me, my Maglite, camera, extra batteries, and need to fuful my excitement of exploration.
EDIT: Added more.
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cpkangaroo
location:
Longmont, CO
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 44 on 10/11/2005 6:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by aplz
For me, its about exploring, not playing army commando. I want to go out, have fun, explore, and take photos. I do not want to go out, use guerilla tactics, super stealth moves, carry around a handgun, knife, 14 bottles of pepperspray, and hundreds of dollars in equipment. I don't see why anybody would. If I was to go exploring with somebody, if he or she were carrying anymore then a knife, I'll tell them to fuck right off. I don't want to be caught up in some beef because some moron pulls a gun because he feels threatened by some crack head squatter with no brain left. Sure he may try to attack you, but use your fists. 10,000 years ago people didn't have guns.
I can safley say in the years and years I've been exploring urban enviroments, I've never felt threatened by anybody. The most I've had were some lame kids skipping school, who thought they'd be cool and try and start shit, untill they realized I was twice their age - and size. No crazy crackheads, no homeless people out to murder you, no psychotic killers. Just me, my Maglite, camera, extra batteries, and need to fuful my excitement of exploration.
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I think you're missing part of the point. I've seen several posts about people running around playing commando absolutely does not mix with genuine UE.
For me, carrying a weapon is not about playing commando, it's about protection. As I've said before, my weapon is an absolute, last resort, defense option if I feel someone's life is in immediate danger.
I'm sure my level of exploring is far below the newbiest of n00bs here, but I too have never been in a dangerous situation and been unable to escape. Hence my pistol has always remained safely tucked away.
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Pravus
location:
Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 45 on 10/11/2005 7:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by aplz
10,000 years ago people didn't have guns.
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and if they did they'd be doing the same thing.. so if you want to turn your back on technoligy shed your cloths go into a field graze with the cattle and enjoy your club
Posted by aplz
Maybe it's only an American thing, but I don't see anybody from Europe, Australia, Canada, Asia etc saying they need to pack a gun with them.
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Most countries are anal against firearms.. So I guess yes.. It's an american thing, because americans have the option.. so you can't compare a country that fights against gun ownership or makes it plain illegal to some parts of america where it is not an uncommon sight to see someone with a firearm..
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eR1c
location:
Nor-Cal
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 46 on 10/11/2005 9:38 PM >
|  | | | I found a great abandoned hospital to explore in my area.
I already scoped out the area on a late friday afternoon... I saw no one in the area and found a way into the hospital through a second story window.
I really need to get in to check it out 
What does everyone think about bringing a grappling hook and rope to climp up the wall and into the abandoned building?
What would police think if they found a grappling hook in my back pack along w/ my camera, water bottle and power bar??
thoughts???
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Pravus
location:
Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 47 on 10/12/2005 1:34 AM >
| | | | normally we bring our rope and a hook where ever we go, unless we know 100% we don't need it.. better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it..
I'm not sure what the cops would think.. I'd say it'd depend on the age of the person, someone younger they'll kinda laugh and think yer stupid, older they may look at it more seriously.. either way I think a cop would think yer a dumbass.. We've never been caught yet so I am not sure.. Also alot would depend on the cop and his mood.. just be respectful and hope?
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swatdaddy33
location:
southern Indiana (vincennes)
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 48 on 10/14/2005 2:09 AM >
| | | | I agree I try and save the gun for LAST but sometimes you cant get around that what good are fists if the other person has a weapon? now as for playing commando i dont know about that .i dont load up on gear unless im going under for awhile.
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monki
location:
Sweden
Gender: Male
monki's climb better than ninhjas, it's a fact.
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<Reply # 49 on 10/25/2005 10:02 AM >
| | | | I wouldn't carry anything "bigger" or worse than a small knife, as above posts i have to agree that bringing weapons feels like exposing yourself to greater danger than not to..
I always carry my tripod with me anyway so if anyone tries anything I'll just bash them in the head with it..
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El Lobo
location:
Deep In The Woods, Colorado
Gender: Male
Run Rabbit Run!
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<Reply # 50 on 10/25/2005 8:17 PM >
| | | | I've always found the art of invisibility and stealth are your best weapons. Being somewhat quiet and blending into the surroundings have gotten me out of many situations with security, cops, and others! I do carry a small knife and on occasion have carried pepper spray just in case, but I've never had to use either. Besides that, there is some kind of small thrill in knowing someone is looking straight at you and can't see you, especially if they are cops!
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j0lt
location:
Kobe, Japan
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 51 on 10/26/2005 1:29 AM >
|  | | | I *MIGHT* bring a utility knife, if I thought it was necessary, but any extraneous equipment just weighs you down.
But I'd never bring a combat knife, or actual weapon. Since you're technically doing something illegal already, why risk a real charge?
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On the positive side, a 'leatherman' or similar tool is a perfect thing to bring along. It has a knife blade, but cannot be defined as a 'knife'.
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Pravus
location:
Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 52 on 10/26/2005 4:18 AM >
| | | | Posted by j0lt
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On the positive side, a 'leatherman' or similar tool is a perfect thing to bring along. It has a knife blade, but cannot be defined as a 'knife'.
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I'm pretty sure thats fairly untrue.. it has a blade doesn't it? a cop tried to take my lil mini swiss army knife keychain thing once (the blade on those is maybe an inch) after alot of bitchin on my part his partner just gave it back after a few min. and that was just a random search when I was stopped in my car.. they can legally call a leatherman a knife (or a weapon depending on the design, in IL if the blade is longer then 3 inches you are considered armed with a dangerous weapon, legally.. Which isn't illegal but if you commit a violent crime you will be charged with it)
Just because it's a knife doesn't make in illegal, just makes it a knife
Depending on your area things change on what they can do.. but I know most places you can carry anything you want as long as it's in plain view (carrying a Ka-Bar or broadsword is perfectly legal if it's strapped to your leg or on your back in plain sight)
so just because you have a knife on you doesn't mean your breaking a law.. I would say (since alot of cops to not know exacts of laws) find the laws of your state/city and print them out and keep them in your wallet or something when you carry ANY knife or bladed object, it makes dealing with cops that much easier if you can tell them why what you have it legal and why they shouldn't charge you for it..
(on a side note I 'think' all folding knives can be considered as concealed)
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ian_evil
location:
Providence, Rhode Island
Gender: Male
we hope you have enjoyed our program.
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<Reply # 53 on 10/26/2005 2:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by Pravus
I would say (since alot of cops to not know exacts of laws) find the laws of your state/city and print them out and keep them in your wallet or something when you carry ANY knife or bladed object, it makes dealing with cops that much easier if you can tell them why what you have it legal and why they shouldn't charge you for it..
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There is/was a legalize marijuana group/campaign at a local university that had a national group come in and do a presentation with a video that explained people's fifth amendment rights. The also passed out folding pamphlets the size of business cards that said basically, "You have no right to search or question me extensively until I am arrested and my lawyer is present." They told everyone to stick them in their wallets with their IDs, and when they were stopped and asked for identification, to present the card along with it.
I work in a print shop, and was thinking about printing more for the UE/graffiti kids I know. If you guys have any ideas about what else might be helpful to include, along with info on fifth amendment rights, and trespassing law info, let me know.
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Logan
location:
Ra-Cha-Cha, NY
Gender: Male
We miss you Jerry
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<Reply # 54 on 10/26/2005 5:07 PM >
| | | | Wow, that card idea is really good. I think I'm gonna have to make me one of those.
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Pravus
location:
Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 55 on 10/26/2005 8:02 PM >
| | | | I've heard some people say it's a bad idea because it'll make the cops think your doing something wrong.. But I'd rather be looked at suspiciously then not know my rights and be arrested/hassled when they legally can't..
Also one MAJOR thing with alot of states a knife becomes illegal with intent, and with these kinds of laws you are assumed to have it with ill-intent unless you can prove otherwise.. (basically they don't have to prove you guilty, you have to prove yourself innocent) But intent laws "shouldn't" come into effect every time.. just if you are caught doing a violent crime of something mostly, I 'think'.. (if you rob someone and have a knife on you, you are guilty of armed robbery.. even if you didn't pull the knife.. Just as a more extreme example.. But don't take my word on it, I'm not too sure how the whole intent thing works..
Either way look into your local laws, check either the town hall or maybe police station and find the actual laws on a hard copy
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Gandalf
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<Reply # 56 on 10/30/2005 11:10 PM >
| | | | I live in Poland which is quite a dangerous country and what I have learned is that it is usually best to hand off everything (money, cellphone, watch), I run only when I'm sure i can make it. It also looks different when you meet a group of "people" (something between people and animals actually) who are out there only to beat someone up. Than it is always best to run... and if you accidentialy have any kind of weapon with you... well, you are screwed
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ark_gamer
location:
Bloomington, Indiana
Burn It Down!
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<Reply # 57 on 11/2/2005 8:16 PM >
| | | | I carry an M-60 machine gun with 1200 rounds of ammo. Die hobos!
NAPALM!!!! |
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Pravus
location:
Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 58 on 11/3/2005 7:17 AM >
| | | | | I carry an M-60 machine gun with 1200 rounds of ammo. Die hobos! |
Just because it's kind of annoying to see people who really don't think about much before they post, I have a question.. How many of you bring a knife when you go camping? are you playing commando for bringing a nice knife camping, or are you smart because it's a needed/very useful tool.. Would you criticize and yell at someone for bringing a knife camping? I don't understand why some people have it in thier heads that knives are only made for shankin people, have you ever had to cut open a box, pry a door open, pop a lock, cut rope/wire, strip wire, or the countless other uses?
Personally I don't really see the point of bringing a gun, but if you are doing it legally and you aren't a braindead moron and you show some restraint, go for it.. But I at least see how there would be something to debate about there..
With knives you people just need to not be morons, I carry a knife, this must of course mean I have it for the sole purpose of stabbing homeless people? seriously, what sence does that make?
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ems_ranger
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<Reply # 59 on 11/6/2005 12:14 AM >
| | | | Posted by Ian Evil
There is/was a legalize marijuana group/campaign at a local university that had a national group come in and do a presentation with a video that explained people's fifth amendment rights. The also passed out folding pamphlets the size of business cards that said basically, "You have no right to search or question me extensively until I am arrested and my lawyer is present." They told everyone to stick them in their wallets with their IDs, and when they were stopped and asked for identification, to present the card along with it.
I work in a print shop, and was thinking about printing more for the UE/graffiti kids I know. If you guys have any ideas about what else might be helpful to include, along with info on fifth amendment rights, and trespassing law info, let me know.
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Not a good idea to do. Believe high court just ruled cops can ask for id & hold you if you do not produce - also if you are caught or suspected of doing something - a response like that just about guarantees being arrested and searched. Sure your lawyer, mom & dad will bail you out but look at the hassle & $$ - would rather just try & get off w/ warning always cooperate --- nothing to hide, etc...
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