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Infiltration Forums > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > Dealing with actual arrest (Viewed 3490 times)
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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 40 on 11/30/2005 5:17 PM >
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I'm personally new to these forums (to some extent).

Some basic tips for dealing with the situation (before/during/after).

+++ If your spotted inside (because u tripped an alarm or whatever) DON'T RUN.

+++ Don't say anything without a lawyer present. This goes for the initial interrogation that usually occurs on-scene.

For example: If questioned about things you did while in a building or trespassing, I advise you respond, "No comment" and mention you would like a lawyer present before answering that question.

BUT, if question about things like, "Is that your car?" and that is in fact your car, answer accordingly by saying, "Yes, that is my car."

+++ Be as co-operative as you can be. If an officer slams your face into the ground and puts cuffs on you, he is probably having a bad day or is just a jerk in general. Take this into account and rest assured that you can press charges against the officer if you wish to do so.

TAKE NOTE: some small towns will know your suing a cop and you will get on the Police Department's bad side. Law enforcement really isn't absolute, just the laws themselves are.

+++ Don't worry about rediculous charges. If they want to make BS up, do things like calling a flashlight a tool for robbery, let them. BS is BS and most judges know that. Rediculous charges are just that and anyone with the slightest maturity, should not let rediculous stuff worry him/her.


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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 41 on 11/30/2005 7:11 PM >
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Posted by KublaKhan


Agreed.

However, what concerns me is the 'naming names' bit.

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snitches get stitches. it's just that simple.

i would never turn in someone else's name, it doesn't matter if you are doing it to save your own ass or whatever the reasoning may be.

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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 42 on 8/3/2006 12:51 AM >
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Posted by Amanita
Dog repellent is what mine was sold as..is dog repellent really that useful against humans, or is it weak stuff?

I had my hand on it in my pocket this morning..I found some curiousity seeking intruder on the construction site I'm guarding, just walking around on a formwork deck. As soon as he saw me, he walked right off the deck and headed off site, without ever saying a word to me. Wierd and unsettling to say the least.

It's a little unnerving to find intruders- you don't know what their intentions are.
Just a note- I didn't take the can out or act threatening in any way. I addressed him as I would a construction worker because that's what I initially suspected he was, until I noticed the lack of safety boots.


See, this is the perspective cops must have of it. They don't know what they are getting into, if you are a psychopath or anything when they head in. In my city, there is a good chance that someone sneaking around abandoned places at night is heavily armed, so they are just cautious.

In small towns, suburbs, etc, cops that are acting like big-shots and making BS even though they know darn well you meant no harm are likely doing it to make themselves feel more important--a "wow, I caught a REAL bad guy!" sort of thing. My friend, a small-town cop, said he felt that when he got to arrest a guy for driving without insurance or something like that. Just think about it from their perspective: often times we do UE for the thrill of it, and the cops want to get that heroic thrill just the same.

My only major run-in with the law occurred when I was left for road pizza one afternoon. I was crossing a street, and next thing I knew I was in an emergency trauma center with 3 doctors and a cop hovering over me. He was threatening arrest...for "failure to obey a traffic device," or the equivalent of running a stop sign for a pedestrian, and to make matters worse, it went on my driving record (though I no longer drove a car, having moved to a city and commute by foot and bicycle). Ooh boy. I mean, this guy thought he was just the cat's pajamas, having caught a real delinquent cyclist and runner! Turns out the guy was a little new on the force. the local police department has a HUGE gang problem on their hands and I think I was just an excuse for this guy. Anyway. it's been a year and I still haven't received a court notice, but I am hoping that I can counter this guy's BS.
Good luck to you all in your future explorations.
As someone said, always be cautious and always cooperate. Don't make yourself an enemy or "bad guy," and at least act like the cop isn't a complete fool!

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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 43 on 8/3/2006 12:53 AM >
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well arrest is different than being charged.

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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 44 on 8/8/2006 8:01 AM >
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I've been worried about this lately...I'm in college to become a teacher, and that's not the kind of profession where you want crimes on your record.

They actually gave us a list of crimes that'll get us kicked out of the program, and trespassing wasn't one of them. But my mother, who works for the school board, says that anything at all on your record will get you kicked to the bottom of the list when you apply for a job.

Not exactly an arrest-related question, but do tell me if anyone has any idea of how true that is.

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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 45 on 8/8/2006 9:50 PM >
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Posted by lokiplease
I've been worried about this lately...I'm in college to become a teacher, and that's not the kind of profession where you want crimes on your record.

They actually gave us a list of crimes that'll get us kicked out of the program, and trespassing wasn't one of them. But my mother, who works for the school board, says that anything at all on your record will get you kicked to the bottom of the list when you apply for a job.

Not exactly an arrest-related question, but do tell me if anyone has any idea of how true that is.


Cant tell you how school districts in particular handle this but any company that does pre-employment background screening is going to see it. these usually consist of a DMV record, credit report and county state and federal criminal records check

I hire people that deal with large sums of money so I would NEVER hire one that has any kind of burglary, theft or drug offense listed but trespassing, who cares?

Besides, I think school teachers with "a past" are Ok as long as they dont get caught fornicating the pupils

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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 46 on 8/13/2006 1:29 PM >
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Posted by Takkun
See, this is the perspective cops must have of it. They don't know what they are getting into, if you are a psychopath or anything when they head in. In my city, there is a good chance that someone sneaking around abandoned places at night is heavily armed, so they are just cautious.


Well put Takkun. You're right about this. Too many people seem to think guards and cops have all the facts when encountering people but that is simply not true. 99% of the time, the person is usually someone who is innocent (ie lost or curious) and will leave peaceably when asked to do so. That 1% can be someone who is up to no good.

Here are three incidents I can relate.

My friend who is a supervisor at another site was on patrol at a previous site. A guy came up to him and asked the time. My friend gave him the time, they chatted for a few minutes and then the guy said, "Gotta go now." Friend said "Yeah, see you later" turned to leave and next thing he knew, he got stabbed in the back. Later in court, the guy laughed and said "I always wanted to stick a pig just to hear it squeal".

Years back I was assigned to an apartment building in Ajax and had just caught a kid stealing a fire extinguisher. They had been spraying them all over the stairwell. Anyway, when I caught the kid, one of his buddies came around the corner, saw me and took off up the stairwell. I called the cops, handed the kid over to the one cop who promptly arrested him for theft and with two other cops, went looking for the other kid as I hadn't seen him leave the property. We found the other kid on one of the floors and I said to him "Hi there". Next thing I knew, the kid threw a punch at me. I ducked and pushed him really hard. The punch did not land and he took off. Unfortunately we weren't able to catch him. I never saw him again.

Another time, our assistant superintendant caught a kid sneaking around back (the assistant superintendant was out for a bit of fresh air). The kid pulled a knife on him and tried to slash the guy when the guy asked him what he was doing there. Turned out the assistant superintendant was a retired jail guard and the kid was promptly disarmed and handed over to the cops.

Stuff like that happening, one can't be too careful. As I mentioned before, 99% of the time the person is harmless but that 1% of the time can result in injury or death. Gotta be careful.

Posted by Takkun

In small towns, suburbs, etc, cops that are acting like big-shots and making BS even though they know darn well you meant no harm are likely doing it to make themselves feel more important--a "wow, I caught a REAL bad guy!" sort of thing. My friend, a small-town cop, said he felt that when he got to arrest a guy for driving without insurance or something like that. Just think about it from their perspective: often times we do UE for the thrill of it, and the cops want to get that heroic thrill just the same.

True so true. Some cops are glory boys who let the uniform get to their heads. Fortunately not all cops are like that and some cops will leave out a charge or two to give you a break.

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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 47 on 8/13/2006 10:01 PM >
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Posted by elegant
They made him name names, so the cops now have my name.


The cops didnt make him name people. He snitched. I have friends who have been arrested when a group of us have been doing something, and they take all the blame. None of my friends would snitch. I would change who you go with.

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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 48 on 8/13/2006 11:01 PM >
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Posted by d.scrib


The cops didnt make him name people. He snitched. I have friends who have been arrested when a group of us have been doing something, and they take all the blame. None of my friends would snitch. I would change who you go with.


This is true. You can tell the cop you aren't going to say who, they can't do anything about it. It is your choice to leave someones name out, or bring it in. Most likely they didn't want all the blame. When I was arrested I kept the names to myself and told the cop I wasn't giving names. If it's a good friend, they should do this, then in return you could give them a few bucks towards their court bills, but oh well the person I turned in with me didn't even get charged. The system really sucks sometimes.

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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 49 on 8/14/2006 11:00 PM >
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Posted by elegantThey made him name names, so the cops now have my name.


Waitaminute, waitaminute....

He went back to the location *by himself* and then gave YOUR name to the cops, even though you weren't even present when the crime he got busted for was being committed when he already had 5 counts against him??? A rat is someone who gives up the people they were with when they committed the crime...is there even a term who just starts blurting out the names of other "friends" who have committed crimes in the past?? Scumbag? Coward? One thing I'm sure it's not is "friend".

If my "friend" did that to me my primary concern would be slashing his tires or pissing in his food. I'm not a violent person in the slightest, there is almost nothing that would make me attack another person (and nothing ever has) but I think I would punch someone in the face who did that to me without a second thought. The LAST thing I would be worrying about is helping someone like that stay out of the clink. That is beyond belief. Anyone who would do something like that should not be exploring.
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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 50 on 8/14/2006 11:58 PM >
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Posted by desmet


Waitaminute, waitaminute....

He went back to the location *by himself* and then gave YOUR name to the cops, even though you weren't even present when the crime he got busted for was being committed when he already had 5 counts against him??? A rat is someone who gives up the people they were with when they committed the crime...is there even a term who just starts blurting out the names of other "friends" who have committed crimes in the past?? Scumbag? Coward? One thing I'm sure it's not is "friend".

If my "friend" did that to me my primary concern would be slashing his tires or pissing in his food. I'm not a violent person in the slightest, there is almost nothing that would make me attack another person (and nothing ever has) but I think I would punch someone in the face who did that to me without a second thought. The LAST thing I would be worrying about is helping someone like that stay out of the clink. That is beyond belief. Anyone who would do something like that should not be exploring.


Desmet you should work for the DA's office. That also means he implicated himself of another separate crime; this guy is stupid, and a lousy acquaintance. Friend is too strong a word.

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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 51 on 8/15/2006 12:16 AM >
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My friend and I were talking about cops and bullshit and the like; not sure if everything he said is true, but I hope it is 'cause that'd be cool Like, if they come to your house to search you, they have to have a warrant and it'd take them about 24 hours to get one. Well, that one's obviously true. Or, if they're searching you for weapons (something they don't need a warrant to do), you don't have to let them remove anything "suspicious" so long as it doesn't feel like a weapon as they're patting you down.

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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 52 on 8/15/2006 12:22 AM >
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the person I turned in with me didn't even get charged



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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 53 on 8/15/2006 12:45 AM >
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Posted by Horus
My friend and I were talking about cops and bullshit and the like; not sure if everything he said is true, but I hope it is 'cause that'd be cool Like, if they come to your house to search you, they have to have a warrant and it'd take them about 24 hours to get one. Well, that one's obviously true. Or, if they're searching you for weapons (something they don't need a warrant to do), you don't have to let them remove anything "suspicious" so long as it doesn't feel like a weapon as they're patting you down.



If they believe someone's in immediate peril they don't need a warrant to come into your house.

* You do not have to consent to any search and/or seizure. If the police threaten to get a warrant, you may tell them to get one. The police may be able to detain you until they obtain a warrant......
If the stop is for a crime, you may be detained for a reasonable period of time.

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* You should be polite to the police at all times.
* Anything you say can be used against you.
* In many situations the police do not have to advise you of “Miranda” rights in order to use your statements in court.

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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 54 on 8/15/2006 3:53 AM >
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hah. I only turned her in because she originally turned herself in, so I just gave them more info. Stupid girl, I really hate her. Won't even help me out any yet she was more involved then I was.

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<Reply # 55 on 8/15/2006 5:10 PM >
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If you are being questioned, but have not been charged or arrested, the Police don't have to read you your rights. If you ARE charged, whatever you said can be taken into the record. Also, you don't need to actually break anything to be charged with b&e.

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Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 56 on 8/17/2006 4:27 AM >
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I think the most important thing to remember when getting arrested is that you have the right to shut the hell up. People who get arrested are very often are thier own worst enemies. If the cops had everything they needed, they would hook you and book you. The only thing you are doing by singing for them is making the case against you and everyone around you stronger. While there are some stories on here about being able to talk your way out of it, chances are that when the cuffs go on they arent coming back off until you reach the county lockup.

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