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WaelfWulf
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<Reply # 20 on 8/9/2005 6:15 AM >
|  | | | Hey, Im getting better. Let me start off by saying that you are all very awesome people.
I spoke with my lawyer today, sadly, the alternative measures act is only for young offenders, and I miss the boat by 3 months or so. So, the best I can hope for is (I don't remember the term) conditional dismissal or something, that being where you pay a fine, and or do community service, but after that’s all done, you don't get a record. Lawyer says we have a damn good chance at that, the worst case scenario is that I get fines and or community service but no negation of a record. (can't you nuke your record after 4 years or something?)
Lawyer also told me I don't need to say anything, he'll handle the talking, unless the judge asks me if I have anything to say (I'm bloody sorry! lol) then that’s it. I was told to look sorry, younger than I am (innocent and ignorant) and hope for the best (think winning thoughts I guess) I even got a hair cut today and dress clothes, its nice to know I have a fighting chance.
The law kind of bugs me here though, I was told that my sentence depends (basically) on how the judge is feeling that day, The law is supposed to be an absolute thing, but how can you let your mood determine someone's future? Too much power I'd say. I've also lost trust and respect for the police. They've never saved me once. I was crossing the street, and this ass clipped me in the ribs with his mirror as he was pulling out of a red light, and of course, there was a cop right there who didn't seem to care. They've stopped me for jogging several times "Where you running to?" is the ultimate question it seems. And as I already said, where were they when my brother got knifed (it wasn’t serious btw) It's enough to turn me into an anarcho punk (not likely)
But hey, I'm ready to go there and kick some ass (metaphorically) thanks for the good input. In the future (and I urge those who haven't been caught for anything yet) get permission from the owner, do background on the building as well, I've heard that the only reason Im getting charged and not a hundred dollar fine is because the building is privately owned (not like the old hospital)
By the way, my lawyer also said the cops don't have the right to stop my friend and I from talking, hehe AND, they didn't put theft on the papers we were given, so I guess it means NEITHER of us were charged with it. If that’s just a f@ck-up on the cops part, does it still hurt me? (I don't think it does, the lawyer didn't give me much except "I guess you weren't charged with it... hmm..").
My buddy said (if they still try to stick us with theft)"um they might try but our lawyers will kick them in the head"
Also, he hasn't found a lawyer yet, but the search is coming to an end. The court date is coming up soon, so once again, thanks for your support!
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Fubster
  
location:
Tampa Bay Area, Florida
Gender: Male
Though highly intelligent, guide dogs cannot interpret street signs.
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<Reply # 21 on 8/9/2005 9:31 PM >
| | | | I've had to deal with asshole cops on several occasions. It sucks to be where you are. Good luck! I'm sure everything will end well.
Sometimes, you need to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who it is you're talking to. Then, on your way out, slam the door. |
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Corvid
      
location:
Oxford, UK
Gender: Male
Master of Illusion!!
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<Reply # 22 on 8/12/2005 2:09 PM >
| | | | BlueShiva and me have only ever had a very close run in with the police. Just after exploring a stone elevator (ladder crudely strapped on roof) a police car shot past us. Our hearts went crazy as we realised how lucky we were: parked in a suspicious location with a ladder strapped to the roof, at 3am.
We were just about to go, when we heard brakes screeching, and the sound of a car being reversed very quickly. BlueShiva killed the engine. The police had suddenly decided that we were suspicious. BlueShiva calmly explained that we had just got back from exploring a cement works, and that this was called "Urban Exploration". The two officers looked puzzled, and muttered a few words amongst themselves. They told us to leave, and then went on their way. Luckily for us, no engine means no lights on our registration plate. We watched them drive slowly at first, one of them trying to make out our registration plate. They couldn't be bothered so they drove off.
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WaelfWulf
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<Reply # 23 on 8/12/2005 7:41 PM >
| | | | I don't think I'll let this event stop my desire for urban exploration, just make me royally paranoid, plus, I'll get permission to enter if I can. Really, I'm more of an outdoorsy person, so 'exploring' forests and the like are just as good.
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kyle5077
location:
Jersey/Philly
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 24 on 8/12/2005 7:42 PM >
| | | | The only time we've actually gotten caught by the cops was on our way home from a giant mineing complex we call "the desert" (fly to 39.996777508, -74.32512436 on google earth and you'll see why.) We were chased by a few security guards in 4x4's but we got away (there fat asses couldnt keep up with any of us) and we made it out just fine. Then we relised my friend left his staff, so we went back like an hour later, got it, and as we were pulling out onto the main road a cop was just sitting there...so he got us. My frined got a tresspassing ticket and the court date is comming up soon. Other then the cop seeing us on the road comming from the place, he really has nothing, so we figure we have a good chance at getting tresspassing dropped.
AIM: Funk e Dope
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Explorer Zero
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<Reply # 25 on 8/12/2005 8:00 PM >
| | | | Ive refrained from this thread but my fingers are itching to respond.
Take this for what ever grain of salt its worth:
A given state or province may treat this type crime differently. About the dumbest thing you could do (except for getting caught committing a felony in the first place)is to take advice from some lay person(s) in another state or country even and try to explain your way out of this or give statements to the cops or prosecutors. Too late for that once youre charged anyway.
If youre arrested and charged with a felony (or whatever Canada's equivalent is) then you need a lawyer. As much as I despise them I strongly recommend you hire one and if you cannot afford one let the state appoint one for you. Do it before you give any statements or interviews.
(Yes I totally realize the contradiction in giving advice to someone I just advised not to take advice from someone like me ;)
2 "dont do the crime if you cant do the time" Xtreme
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WaelfWulf
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<Reply # 26 on 8/16/2005 7:22 AM >
| | | | Wh00t!
Court date was today, got off with alternative measures! its the hardest slap on the wrist I could get without anything serious happening (for which I am very thankful). As previously mentioned I get off without a record, but this is news; four months to complete twenty hours community service, thats about one working week, and its still summer, so Im going to haul ass to get this over with. What I am worried about now, is I'm on file and also scared to go out late at all, or do anything remotely crazy. It's going to be a long time till I get my steam back, also, the cops may start harassing me, but luckly, this will go away in time.
Thank god.
Once again, do your best never to be arrested, especially if you haven't been already, can never be too paranoid. Don't talk to anyone about anything until you see a lawyer, just be polite to the cops. I took my own advice at the time of my arrest and, yesterday, I was read the report, it sounded like my friend and I were guests in the police station "A pleasure to deal with" "didn't mean harm, no criminal intent" "strongly recommend alternative measures act". And it was so.
So now it's sit tight and wait till my hair grows back, and the snow to start falling.
One crazy summer, best wishes.
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Amanita
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<Reply # 27 on 8/21/2005 12:20 AM >
|  | | | Just where is having a pepper spray can with a missing label a felony?
Just curious- I've got a can of dog repellent somewhere that's missing the label..I'm Canadian, BTW
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critter
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<Reply # 28 on 8/21/2005 3:07 AM >
| | | | Isn't pepper spray a class 5 weapon in Canada? I know in California the cans must be labeled don't know about the rest of the US. If you don't have a label on it I would at least draw a skull and crossbones or put a Mr. Yuch sticker on it. Might help to keep you out of trouble.
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Krenta
location:
Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
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<Reply # 29 on 8/24/2005 6:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by Amanita
Just where is having a pepper spray can with a missing label a felony?
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In Wisconsin, it can be; they have really restrictive conditions about the size, volume, labelling, and concentration of OC sprays and foams you can carry. Some localities have similar laws. A surprising number of states and cities require the can to have an expiration date on it, for instance.
I know Canada has severe restrictions on OC sprays, generally only allowing them to be sold as "bear repellant" or "dog repellant". I suspect that, like in Wisconsin, if you can't prove it's volume, contents, and concentration, you're breaking the law. Hence the marginal popularity of "Dyewitness" and similar foams/sprays... 
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Amanita
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<Reply # 30 on 8/24/2005 11:13 PM >
| | | | Dog repellent is what mine was sold as..is dog repellent really that useful against humans, or is it weak stuff?
I had my hand on it in my pocket this morning..I found some curiousity seeking intruder on the construction site I'm guarding, just walking around on a formwork deck. As soon as he saw me, he walked right off the deck and headed off site, without ever saying a word to me. Wierd and unsettling to say the least.
It's a little unnerving to find intruders- you don't know what their intentions are.
Just a note- I didn't take the can out or act threatening in any way. I addressed him as I would a construction worker because that's what I initially suspected he was, until I noticed the lack of safety boots.
Let the Tower Cranes fly.. |
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Krenta
location:
Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
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<Reply # 31 on 8/27/2005 2:40 AM >
| | | | Generally speaking, dog and bear repellants are weaker than good OC sprays or foams sold south of the border. They're designed to do just what the name suggests - repel or deter dogs and bears, as opposed to, say, incapacitating them and really pissing them off...
If sprayed directly on someone, I suspect the effect is going to be pretty much identical between all three, unless they've had a lot of exposure to OC before. It really takes a very miniscule amount of OC spray of any concentration in the eyes to have the desired effect; all extra is going to do is prolong the experience for the subject. 
I was distracted before I finished the post up above, and forgot the probably obvious part - an OC or OC/CS spray that doesn't comply with local laws wherever you happen to be at the moment is almost universally considered a weapon, and if you've got it in your purse, pocket, or even a belt carrier, you can easily (and accidentally!) go from "well-prepared" to "carrying a concealed weapon".
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katwoman
location:
Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 32 on 8/27/2005 3:13 AM >
| | | | Posted by Corvid
BlueShiva calmly explained that we had just got back from exploring a cement works, and that this was called "Urban Exploration". The two officers looked puzzled, and muttered a few words amongst themselves. They told us to leave, and then went on their way. |
Ha. You actually said that to the officers? You two are kinda lucky! *shaking head*
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KublaKhan
location:
Edinburgh, Scotland
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
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<Reply # 33 on 8/27/2005 4:07 AM >
|  | | | 'Urban' and 'exploration' sounds kinda official.
If you had said 'we were trespassing,' then you would have been in shit.
Bullshit baffles brains. Seriously.
"The truth is knowable. But probably not, ever, incontrovertible."
--Don DeLillo
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Yehoshua
location:
Ontario
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 34 on 8/27/2005 8:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by Amanita
I found some curiousity seeking intruder on the construction site I'm guarding, just walking around on a formwork deck. As soon as he saw me, he walked right off the deck and headed off site, without ever saying a word to me. Wierd and unsettling to say the least.
It's a little unnerving to find intruders- you don't know what their intentions are.
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Dammit, that was probably me you bastard! :Þ
Our Citizen.
Our Justice.
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Ranger
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<Reply # 35 on 8/27/2005 8:51 PM >
| | | | I am currently facing some non-UE charges, which I am fighting, so my experience is with a more serious crime the trespassing, but here is my $0.02, for what it is worth.
All I can say is I agree with 2Xtreme. While advice on a forum like this might be good in a general sense, anything that results in an actual arrest, not just a ticket, requires a lawyer that is familiar with the local laws, not to mention knows the judges and prosecutors involved.
The only other piece of advice that I would give, which has been given to me by more then one lawyer, would be not to say anything without a lawyer present. Cops are experts in getting you to say something that you do not mean to say, and that can get you into more trouble. Lawyers can be expensive (I know!) but they can be worth it.
Good luck to all who are before the courts, wherever you are.
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katwoman
location:
Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 36 on 8/30/2005 1:08 AM >
| | | | Posted by KublaKhan
'Urban' and 'exploration' sounds kinda official.
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lol, well maybe it has to do with one's city.
I still say those kids were hilariously lucky.
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junkyard
location:
LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
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<Reply # 37 on 9/1/2005 5:53 AM >
| | | | That's no shit, cops put their pants on one leg at a time too. Some really don't care except that they had to respond. Hell some were even young once too. They come in all shapes and sizes with different opinions on what to let slide also. In fact in some locales, even within the same city they enforce drinking in the street to different degrees. "There will always be some degree of lawlessness, there are just certain lines you do not cross, and that depends on the officer."---BC a friend of mine that was a sheriff and explorer.
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I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
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i2yan
location:
toronto, ontario
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<Reply # 38 on 9/1/2005 7:03 PM >
| | | | Hey I've read alot of the posts in this thread and hardly any of them are about an actual arrest so I guess I'll post one of my many close calls.
I was out in Markham On, awhile ago checking out an old abandonned house in the middle of a field surrounded by much newer houses. I would have perfered parking some where not bait, like on a side street beside some newer houes. Unfortunately the person driving decided we'd be good enough parked infront of one of those trailers set up to sell new houses, that had a dirt road that went right to the abandonned house. Normally that'd be a bad enough idea but what made it worse was we were just off a major road about 200 to 300m away from a huge shopping complex.
Anyways we walked over to the abandoned house and found a way in pretty easily and started exploring the house. There was a basement and a second floor but the stairs had crumbled away. Two blunts later our flashlights were dying and my gf was getting cold so i headed back to the car with here, which was maybe a 1min walk down the dirt road. While we were walking down a car pulled into the parkinglot where our car was and turned on a spot light. We werent sure if it was cops or just someone with a spot light so we turned around and started walking back to the house. As lucky as I usually am it wasen't so that night, the car pulled up right behind me and my gf and it turned out to be an undercover. He asked us abunch of questions then 3 more cops showed up to check out what was going on. They said we reaked of grain so they checked us but neither me or my gf had anything on us.
By this time everyone else who was still in the house had booked it through a back window and ran across the field into the area with new houses. Which was a bad idea because the cops knew there were more people than just me and my gf and started driving down the dirt road and ended up getting stuck in the mud, LMAO. So now theres two cops trying to get the car out of the mud and two cops still talking to us. They seemed interested in the house and asked a few questions, like what it looks like inside and if it looked haunted an shit. They finally just ended up saying something like "don't come back, with places like this there can be turf wars and someone could end up shot or dead." Then they told us to call the driver back to the car so we could move it or they would get it towed and impounded. So we got the driver back to the car then picked up everyone else and left. No Charges, No Tickets.
Just a bit of info for any ppl local to toronto/gta, Scarborough cops are crooked/let things slide, Markham cops don't seem to care, and Durham cops are assholes.
Hf and Gl
-i2yan
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Disgrace
location:
Saint John, New Brunswick
| | Re: Dealing with actual arrest
<Reply # 39 on 9/1/2005 7:24 PM >
| | | | To note, if the police want to make an example out of someone(as in, to stop an activity that they deem inappropriate) for doing something with dubious illegality, they will often toss as many viable charges onto you as possible, because any half-wit lawyer would be able to dismiss most of them as utter trash. The trick is to catch you with at least one or two of the charges out of the mess.
So yeah, if you find yourself with like, 10+ minor charges after getting caught on a site, I wouldn't worry terribly. Even the cops are likely expecting the majority of those charges to be dropped. They're just doing it to scare, and in the hopes that some of the charges will stick.
Chances are, even if you end up paying a fine, it won't be anything that will stick on your permanent record. But that's just my estimate, and I'm no professional.
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