Infiltration

InsertNameHere location: North County San Diego Gender: Male We were playing flashlight tag, officer! \| \|	Precision of Surveillance Equipment < on 6/10/2005 2:58 AM >

	Today, during a UE with a couple pals, security showed up and stopped us. Of the three present, two of us kept on walking and the third stayed behind. The guy (not really security even, just some random employee) called to the two of us leaving to come back. We asked why twice, and both times he said to just come back and he'd tell us. We continued on to my car, and he did not follow us. What he did do, however, was tell my friend that stayed behind (before letting him go) that he'd simply check the security cameras for my license plates. Normally I'd just accept this as a bluff, but it was a UE in an active location and he probably thought that we had been damaging property. The cameras on this site probably did not see my plates, however those of the next building over could easily have seen me. And so I ask you this, oh good UER forumites: what are the odds that cameras would be able to pick up my license plates from a pretty good distance away? That's assuming they saw me go back to my car and all....what are the odds that the guy would even bother calling the cops? I'm fine with the risk of getting caught and all, but not like this, not by a fucking camera as a result of a minor mistake. I don't want caught in some roundabout way! Please massage my aching mind and tell me that I'll be okay. A cage went in search of a bird.

Mr. BLAB Gender: Female \|	Re: Precision of Surveillance Equipment <Reply # 1 on 6/10/2005 3:29 AM >

	In order to accurately assess your risk level, a little more information is in order. What is "a pretty good distance?" Also, did you notice any cameras on the building, and if so, were they stationary or rotating? Were there a lot of cars in the parking lot of the building you parked in? Were you parked with your plates facing the building, or was your car turned so that only the side could be seen? Were you wearing suspicious clothing and/or gear, or just a camera? All in all, your best bet would be to take a different car, go back to the building, park exactly where you were, and see if you can see any cameras. If you can see them, they can see you. Do the same for the building you parked next to, because they might share their tapes with that other building. Although, to tell you the truth, if no property was stolen, damaged, or vandalized, then they probably won't even bother with it. It's too much work to go back through the archives of security tapes, even if only an hour later, if it's not going to help them with anything. I think that you'll be fine. Put your mind at ease, friend.

Servo \|	Re: Precision of Surveillance Equipment <Reply # 2 on 6/10/2005 4:46 AM >

	It depends on the camera and the distance involved. Although that CSI bullshit has people thinking that you can zoom way way in on any picture of any resolution and magick up data out of nowhere, in reality the cameras aren't usually that good. I'd be more concerned about the guy just walking over and reading the plate number, or your friend caving and giving out your info. It's a little late now, but in that situation I would have went over and talked to the guard, if merely to assure them I hadn't been doing anything wrong. If they demanded ID or that you stay until police arrive, then maybe you should consider exercising your rights and leaving... unless the guard has delusions of grandeur I doubt he'd try to stop three guys.

LexDysic \|	Re: Precision of Surveillance Equipment <Reply # 3 on 6/10/2005 9:08 PM >

	In most states you cannot be charged for anything by your licenses plate number. So don't worry about it. -LexDysic

Explorer Zero

Re: Precision of Surveillance Equipment
<Reply # 4 on 6/10/2005 10:11 PM >

All that depends. Even a crappy little dome camera system like the one where I work you can pan and zoom in on every space in our lots. Ive played with it enough to know it'll read a plate 500-600ft away easy maybe more. Its set up to display on a computer and if you wanted you could save the file and enhance it enough to read more if there was enough to work with.

Some cameras dont pan at all and some are just aimed at a short range area like showing whos at the door etc and beyond that is just blurry. If its mounted so it can pan it can probably zoom too. None of this means they got your plate.

2X

click to view

this older one from The Pump Station in Dallas is a zoomer and a panner

longhorns location: Central IL Gender: Male \| \| \| \|	Re: Precision of Surveillance Equipment <Reply # 5 on 6/13/2005 3:21 AM >

	If you are concerned about your plate number being caught on film you have some options. 1.You can buy a spray that will cause the plate to glare makeing the number un readable on camera. You can usually find an add for it in the back of car mags. 2.Iv also heard hairspray can give the same effect but have never tried it. 3. But the best option might be. http://www.hackershomepage.com/

atomx location: Brighton, ON Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Precision of Surveillance Equipment <Reply # 6 on 6/13/2005 3:24 PM >

	I dont even know how to tell you how completely illegal those are in Ontario. And the hairspray doesn't do crap all. I'm sure the mythbusters did something on this too. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Richard Cook

Yehoshua location: Ontario Gender: Male \|	Re: Precision of Surveillance Equipment <Reply # 7 on 6/13/2005 4:28 PM >

	Although that CSI bullshit has people thinking that you can zoom way way in on any picture of any resolution and magick up data out of nowhere As much as I'm a fan of the show, I can never help but think "I bet this series is somehow receiving Federal Grant money, because it instills potential criminals with a sense of paranoia" "Shit, they're going to cut off nearby tree branches to see if any human DNA got soaked up in recent rainfall and carried through the tree sap!" Our Citizen. Our Justice. Bring Omar Khadr back to Canada.

SinisterMessiah location: South Portland, ME Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Precision of Surveillance Equipment <Reply # 8 on 6/13/2005 6:29 PM >

	Advanced military systems and even crime labs can take somewhat distorted and pixilated images, and render them into a complete image. It's called pixel rendering, not the technical term, but that's what we refer to it as. So no, it's not CSI television bullshit. But yes, you do need a camera that can support a very high resolution, and can zoom. Most good cameras will take several shots of different resolutions of the same image, if it's a high security area. The only bullshit part about CSI is that a lot of the cameras they do this on are little gas station cameras. If you are running around federal property, they will be able to do more than you think with their footage.

Servo

Re: Precision of Surveillance Equipment
<Reply # 9 on 6/13/2005 7:00 PM >

Posted by SinisterMessiah
Advanced military systems and even crime labs can take somewhat distorted and pixilated images, and render them into a complete image. It's called pixel rendering, not the technical term, but that's what we refer to it as. So no, it's not CSI television bullshit.

If you have a high-res camera then the data's there. You can do a certain amount of filtering, but either the information is there or it's not.

Example: if the camera has a certain resolution and this guy's license plate ends up being, say, 2 pixels tall and 8 pixels wide -- there's simply not enough data to make it out. That is what I am referring to when I say it's bullshit.

So I'm basically agreeing, but also clarifying. And in any case, I doubt they're gonna go to that much trouble for tresspassing...
[last edit 6/13/2005 7:07 PM by Servo - edited 1 times]

InsertNameHere location: North County San Diego Gender: Male We were playing flashlight tag, officer! \| \|	Re: Precision of Surveillance Equipment <Reply # 10 on 6/14/2005 4:49 AM >

	Eh, so far no calls from the police so I think I'm safe. Thanks for the advice guys, I was really scared there for a day or two. A cage went in search of a bird.

tron_2.0 location: Ohio Gender: Male \| \| \|	Re: Precision of Surveillance Equipment <Reply # 11 on 6/14/2005 7:12 PM >

	youre okay, they were just BS'ing you. judging by the sound of it they were just little shit security gaurds and were trying to spout off some big-time high-tech security mumbo jumbo. [quote][i]Posted by yokes[/i] I find your lack of coziness.... disturbing. [/quote]

Infiltration Forums > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > Precision of Surveillance Equipment (Viewed 449 times)