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Beagle location: Oxfordshire, England Gender: Male Who Dares Wins! \| \|	The Authorties... < on 6/3/2005 8:22 PM >

	When ueing have any of you had any bad problems with guards or the authorities? and what to do if you ever get oin trouble with them in the future... cheers Beagle [last edit 6/3/2005 8:22 PM by Beagle - edited 1 times] Fight the battle, win the war! Who Dares Wins

Explorer Zero \| \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 1 on 6/3/2005 10:32 PM >

	It just depends around here private security varies from the 300lb lady that can barely walk to guys like I ran into at a decommissioned military airfield here in Dallas. He was at least 6'5" ex-military wearing a Glock, cuffs and Oakleys. Some will just tell you to leave while others will literally stand on your neck till the PD arrives just depends. As for real authorities, most cops dont like getting the same call twice. If youre lucky enough to just get run off, better not get caught there a second time cause they will almost surely run you in after giving you a break the first time.

Mr. BLAB Gender: Female \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 2 on 6/3/2005 10:40 PM >

	A friend and I were poking around an old fitness center when a red truck pulled in. My friend was on the roof, looking for a way in, and out of sight. I, however, was standing on the ground by the front door with a flashlight in my hand. I naturally assumed he was going down to the soccer stadium by the fitness center, and would pass and leave me alone. No such luck... He pulled up next to me, and asked what I was doing. After convincing him that I was just looking around (trying unsuccessfully to hide the flashlight, I might add), he let me go with a stern warning, told me that he (a maintenance Man, by God) had just fixed a broken window yesterday, and could call the cops just because I was on the property. I left, and went over to the Humane Society next door to wait for my friend and watch the guy. He pulled around, and as he was starting to leave, he spotted me loitering, pulled up to me once again ("Oh, God"), and asked, "Where's you friend?" At this time, I was a terrible liar, but I acted like I didn't know what he was talking about. Eventually, after several more cop-calling threats, I gave in, kicked myself, and got my friend down off the roof. The man was not happy. He made him give us our information, and I might have gotten away with lying there if my friend hadn't given him his real info. The next call my friend got on his cellphone was the same guy, wanting my info. Holy mother of... I gave it to him. After kicking myself thoroughly every time I think of this incident, I use it to evaluate myself when I am exploring. I can think of a million things that I could have done differently that wouldn't have had a bad outcome as this one did. If you get in trouble with anyone who is an authority, or will call one, be as honest as possible, you're more likely to get a warning. And don't stand somewhere where the M-Man will bust you.

DjMalign location: Fort Collins, CO Gender: Male Sexy, sexy, sexy \| \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 3 on 6/4/2005 1:38 AM >

	I have been busted but never arrested. This is due to my ability to bullshit, even when i trespassed on federal land and got caught. The best thing i've found is to be completely naive and practice your MO. always have the dumbest excuse, it usually confounds the accuser and makes them subconsciously pity you because you appear to be so amazingly stupid. being naive helps with that. high pitched tones, and repeating yourself help a bunch. I've got my act down and it helps, so practice a little. be an actor. as for your experience sphynx i would have blown him off. No authority figure would fault you if you told the maintenance guy to go fuck himself because the fact of the matter is that its not his job to catch trespassers and NEVER NEVER NEVER give out your info to just anyone who demands it unless they're actual police or security beyond a doubt. For all you know he could have been a really sick person looking to hurt somebody. if there was no sign that said "no loitering" then he has no right to tell you to fuck off unless he's the owner. Furthermore even with a flashlight you are innocent until proven guilty and cannot be held liable for trespassing if you are not within the perimeter of the property that has been posted. The worst that could have happened is that you could say "i don't see a no trespassing sign" and their response could be "you have now been noticed". then you would have to leave. [last edit 6/4/2005 1:39 AM by DjMalign - edited 1 times] I hate all of you

Yehoshua location: Ontario Gender: Male \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 4 on 6/4/2005 2:06 AM >

	I gotta agree on the giving out your info...but I remember being 15 and being busted by mall security for a class-organized protest at the mall. Mall Security in those days was big and frightning for me, and when they asked for my info, I sure as hell jotted down the real stuff, scared shitless. Anyways, I think one of the female members on here even did have a problem with two blokes posing as security guards trying to erm...well they didn't seem to have decent plans for her. Apologize and such, but when he asks for your info tell him you'll gladly give it to the police if he phones them - but not to him. Chances are, the guy isn't going to dial the police over some kid at the mall even if he's legit...plus once the police get there, you just make a point of noting that you were the one that asked for the police to be called, and they'll just lecture you and send you on your way - clearly you were the one who respected the law, asking for a police officer Our Citizen. Our Justice. Bring Omar Khadr back to Canada.

InsertNameHere location: North County San Diego Gender: Male We were playing flashlight tag, officer! \| \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 5 on 6/5/2005 3:07 PM >

	Last night my four friends and I visited an Asylum that we've frequently attempted to gain entrance to and only succeeded once. Some background: the building is set very near a road just across from a vast field. There's a neighborhood on the other side of the field that we usually park in, then we walk the field and sprint across the road to the Asylum. Back to last night. We parked in our usual spot, but this time one of the houses we pass was holding some sort of party. As we entered the field and stopped to relieve ourselves, we heard voices and ran further into the field, towards some woods. We layed down there to see what would happen, and it seemed for a while that nothing would, but then we saw light. Bright light, and a lot of it. Somebody, maybe it was a cop or maybe it was a partygoer, had gotten some sort of massive spotlight and was sweeping the field with it in an attempt to find us. They eventually gave up, but that rather put a damper on the rest of the night. We were on edge the entire time, accidentally surprising one another multiple times and generally freaking out. A cage went in search of a bird.

specter

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azle ,texas
Gender: Male

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Re: The Authorties...
<Reply # 6 on 6/10/2005 10:57 PM >

Posted by DjMalign
I have been busted but never arrested. This is due to my ability to bullshit, even when i trespassed on federal land and got caught. The best thing i've found is to be completely naive and practice your MO. always have the dumbest excuse, it usually confounds the accuser and makes them subconsciously pity you because you appear to be so amazingly stupid. being naive helps with that. high pitched tones, and repeating yourself help a bunch. I've got my act down and it helps, so practice a little. be an actor.

-give an example on what you would say

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But a true friend is the guy sitting next to you in the back of the cop car saying "Man that was awesome!"

lost Gender: Male \| \| \| \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 7 on 6/11/2005 6:59 AM >

	At one location the owner knew we were inside and drove towards us when we left the building - acting calm, stating what we were doing and our intentions towards the property (nothing malicious), and politely asking him about the history of the place saved us a lot of hassle. The first two sometimes work with security types. [last edit 6/11/2005 7:00 AM by lost - edited 1 times]

thewesticle location: ATL Gender: Male S(ue) For LIFE. \| \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 8 on 6/15/2005 6:50 PM >

	I used to live in the smallest town that ever existed. We had 4 police officers and 1 police car for the WHOLE TOWN. These guys were a joke and more than once the police asked me for my name and address. Real cops asking me for my name and address so they could talk to my parents...hahahaha. Take nothing but photos, leave nothing but footprints, BUT DON'T FORGET TO WEAR YOUR UER TSHIRT!

kevfrog location: Syracuse, NY Gender: Male \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 9 on 6/16/2005 8:23 PM >

	How the authorities will act depends on what sort of place you are exploring. But if you are at a clearly abandoned site (i.e. no guards) of significant size (bigger than a house, for example) and the police show up, I've generally found hiding to be a good strategy. As long as they don't see you or hear you, they unlikely to actually enter a scary-looking building to search for people who MIGHT be in there. If they do suspect that people are inside (perhaps your car is parked nearby), they are more likely to just sit around and wait for you to come out. In this case, the only thing to do is to wait them out. Sit down someplace comfortable and away from windows, etc. and just be quiet. It's a good idea to always bring a snack with you (candy bar or something similar is good) for situations like this, in case you have to wait for a long time. If you hear them drive away, don't rush out immediately. They may have just moved to another spot to keep watching, or they may leave and come back in five minutes trying to trap you into thinking you're in the clear. When you think they've left for sure and it's safe to exit, wait another 20 minutes anyway. If the police do actually see you, they still might prefer to wait for you to come out rather than having to go inside. The above still applies in that case, except that you should probably be even more careful about not being seen or heard again and you should probably be prepared for a longer wait.

Soggy

Gender: Male

Re: The Authorties...
<Reply # 10 on 6/20/2005 12:42 AM >

Posted by DjMalign
NEVER NEVER NEVER give out your info to just anyone who demands it unless they're actual police or security beyond a doubt.

I think that's good advice. Though I read in one of the trespass acts that you have to give your info if someone asks on behalf of the owner. Does that mean that in theory even the janitor can by law demand ID on behalf of the owner?

Here's the quote from the act:

Penalty for refusing to give name

9 (1) Anyone who has committed a trespass by entering or being on enclosed land, and on demand made by or on behalf of the owner, lessee or occupier of the land refuses or omits to give his or her name and address, or gives a false name or address, commits an offence.

(2) Anyone who has entered enclosed land, and has refused or omitted, on demand made by or on behalf of the owner, lessee or occupier of the land, to give his or her name and address, and continues on it, commits an offence.

DjMalign location: Fort Collins, CO Gender: Male Sexy, sexy, sexy \| \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 11 on 6/20/2005 3:41 AM >

	I think that depends on the state, but i could be wrong I hate all of you

atomx

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Brighton, ON
Gender: Male

Re: The Authorties...
<Reply # 12 on 6/20/2005 4:44 PM >

Posted by Soggy
Here's the quote from the act:

Penalty for refusing to give name

9 (1) Anyone who has committed a trespass by entering or being on enclosed land, and on demand made by or on behalf of the owner, lessee or occupier of the land refuses or omits to give his or her name and address, or gives a false name or address, commits an offence.

(2) Anyone who has entered enclosed land, and has refused or omitted, on demand made by or on behalf of the owner, lessee or occupier of the land, to give his or her name and address, and continues on it, commits an offence.

What State/Province is this from?

"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Richard Cook

mrtea

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Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male

Re: The Authorties...
<Reply # 13 on 6/20/2005 9:45 PM >

Posted by atomx

What State/Province is this from?

Looks like B.C.

I've heard of that in Ontario as well though... but I always assumed it was sort of referring to "private land" as in farming land/fields for some reason.
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peterbillionaire location: Kansas City Missouri Gender: Male \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 14 on 6/20/2005 11:50 PM >

	yesterday aaron and i were trying to get into an abandoned commercial cave when a security guard appeared behind us; i was real surprised because the cave appeared to have been truly abandoned and derelict for many years and i did not expect any security; turns out that the guard worked at the office building about 200 yards away; the cave wasn't even his beat, but these guys are bored; i walked up to the guard and talked about what we were doing; i gave the usual spiel (which is the truth): we are just looking and taking pictures, no vandalism, breakage or graffiti, etc.; he told us to leave before "someone" called the cops; that "someone" would only be the guard himself, because we were far away from the street and completely invisible; so we pretended to leave; but we hid in the bushes for about 15 minutes, then we got into the cave...

bikepunk location: Vancouver Gender: Female \| \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 15 on 6/22/2005 2:00 AM >

	Yeah, that's the BC Trespass Act (I think Ontario's might be stricter). It applies to any land that is enclosed (fencing, even if there is a big gap in the fencing) or posted. So an abandoned building, as long as it has posted No Trespassing signs is covered by the act. A janitor would have to be acting on behalf of the owner, and doesn't have the right to demand ID, as far as I know. If you give them your name (start with just your first), then what right would they have to go beyond that? A janitor (and even many security guards) will not know the ins and outs of the Trespass Act, so you can probably use this knowledge to your advantage. www.urbanexploration.ca

Soggy

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Re: The Authorties...
<Reply # 16 on 6/22/2005 4:23 PM >

Yeah it's the BC one...

Posted by bikepunk
A janitor (and even many security guards) will not know the ins and outs of the Trespass Act, so you can probably use this knowledge to your advantage.

That's true... unless they're super intelligent, knowledge hungry janitors mutated by the chemicals absorbed by their mops in a toxic waste plant... or something..

Oh yeah, sorry if this is a dumb question, but will you get in even more trouble if you deliberately don't carry your ID at all while UE-ing? Does anyone do that?

Archer location: Toronto, ON Gender: Male Imperator Sagittario \| \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 17 on 6/22/2005 4:36 PM >

	If the police get involved, yes, you're in for more trouble. Just keep it simple and carry some form of ID with you. Abandoned UE - http://www.abandonedue.com "We live in a twilight world... and there are no friends at dusk."

bikepunk location: Vancouver Gender: Female \| \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 18 on 6/22/2005 6:12 PM >

	Yeah, I carry ID with me (just one ID card and a bank card). I would only give it to a cop if asked. When I did get caught years ago on port/railway property, having ID was the difference between a stern lecture and being taken down to the police station for the evening (and possible charges). No cop will let you walk away if you don't have some sort of ID on you, so not having any is not really going to do you any favours if the cops do show up. Since a security guard is not going to have the right to search you, ID is strictly for the police. In BC, as long as you give your name to the owner of the property or their representative (aka security), you don't need to be showing your ID around. www.urbanexploration.ca

Ruck location: Texas Gender: Male \|	Re: The Authorties... <Reply # 19 on 7/4/2005 7:15 AM >

	I can't imagine hanging around just because a security guard told me to. And I certainly can't see giving him my real info. A cop is one thing. A security guard is quite another. "For the listener, who listens in the snow, And, nothing himself, beholds Nothing that is not there and the nothing that is." ~Wallace Stevens

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