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conker008 This member has been banned. \|	Falling and Landing < on 6/1/2005 6:54 AM >

	I am just interested in the average height an average person can fall, and how to land. Should you execute a roll after hitting the ground, or just use your feet and go with the flow? I can jump off about 7-8 feet, my roof without any problems at all, but would like to know how to properly land for higher falls. Any help is greatly appreciated. Anything else related to the topic can also be posted: mental preparedness, shoes to wear, soft or hard ground, etc. Thanks conker

TheRev location: Ohio Gender: Male We go in like professionals, like Charles Bronson... \| \|	Re: Falling and Landing <Reply # 1 on 6/1/2005 7:13 AM >

	My opinion, based on a bit of fact. Rolling properly after a roll will minimize the impact of a long fall, I'd say with a reasonable max of 12-15 ft. BUT, doing an improper roll = good chance of spinal injury/cracked skull/dislocated shoulder/all kinds of other nastiness. An easier way to mitigate some of the damage from falling is to slap the ground with your hands/arms when you land (when your shoes hit the ground you continue the downward motion by bending your knees until they're up by your chest and you can hit the ground). This can break bones in your hands, especially on hard surfaces, but it's better than messing up your ankles or knees (or smacking the ground with your feet and then falling forward and faceplanting). Moral of the story: Don't jump from really high places unless you have to, especially if you haven't conditioned your body for it. If you think you're going to have to (or if you really really want to) you should practice breakfalls a lot on the ground and gradually work up until you're comfortable with greater heights, otherwise you're asking to lug around a couple pounds of spare plaster with you for a few months. I'm sure the PK guys can give some good breakfall tutorial links, or you can probably find a local martial artist who will show you (but keep in mind there's a good chance they won't know what they're talking about, MA people love to BS). Or, you could get one of these: http://www.saferam...D=19&productID=280 [last edit 6/1/2005 7:14 AM by TheRev - edited 1 times]

cavemonkey location: berthoud,Colorado Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Falling and Landing <Reply # 2 on 6/1/2005 8:24 AM >

	look up parachute landing fall or plf on the net for diagrams and such, it is a very good way to land hard and you could survive a decently long fall with injurys if you knew how to do it properly. you would get hurt but would probably live. i did it when i fell off my roof and i got up and walked away. you use certain parts of your body to lessen the fall, its kind of a roll with purpose.

psychoticsumo location: chicago Gender: Male \|	Re: Falling and Landing <Reply # 3 on 6/1/2005 5:36 PM >

	i had to jump off a 15ft bridge when i was like 16-17 or fell i should say. the first kid just hung from the ledge and dropped and then me and another were chicken but he hung dropped too, see railroad cops were coming from one way and a train with conductor shootin pepper pellets at us the other way so only way was down. so im sitting looking at the way to go when the loose dirt/gravel let loose and sailing over the edge i went i was fallin legs straight down and torso bent foreward blam i hit hard and bounced flipped over in air and laanded on my back and just layed there looking up at the railcops lookin down at us i realized i wasnt hurt just shookin the hell up so got up and we took off before the cops found a way down... next day the bottoms of my feet hurt so bad i couldnt get up outta bed even. [last edit 6/1/2005 5:37 PM by psychoticsumo - edited 1 times] long live slayer!!!

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Re: Falling and Landing
<Reply # 4 on 6/1/2005 6:02 PM >

Posted by psychoticsumo
i had to jump off a 15ft bridge when i was like 16-17 or fell i should say.

I had an experience like that, but I didn't get the pleasure of holding on and letting go. I was scared as hell but I just jumped and luckily the grass was thick and the landing was right.

SinisterMessiah location: South Portland, ME Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Falling and Landing <Reply # 5 on 6/1/2005 7:16 PM >

	In my military training they told us the best way is to fall into a roll. Personally I don't like having to jump off anything that is higher than I am tall. I don't mind being in high places, as long as I'm not balancing on a ledge or trying to walk across a narrow pole or something of that nature. It's very easy to hurt yourself jumping off of things, our bodies aren't really built for it, believe it or not. I'd say don't jump unless you absolutely have to.

Jester location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight... \| \|	Re: Falling and Landing <Reply # 6 on 6/1/2005 9:05 PM >

	Definitely going into a roll reduces the impact greatly. I wiped out my ZX-6 doing 60, flipped the bike, spinning up into the air and leapt off at the top of the spin (so around 10 or 12 feet up I guess) and flew forward landing around 20 feet away. Came down in a breakfall, rolled, and was up on my feet as the bike was still bouncing towards me. I had to take a quick jump back, as the bike finally landed right in front of me. But, i've got pretty good reflexes and have taken a fair bit of martial arts. To disagree with someone's earlier statement that martial arts guys don't know what they're talking about is wrong. Guys that have actually trained do know what they're talking about, guys that watch martial arts movies and then think they are Bruce Lee don't... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf.

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Re: Falling and Landing
<Reply # 7 on 6/1/2005 10:04 PM >

Posted by Jester
. To disagree with someone's earlier statement that martial arts guys don't know what they're talking about is wrong. Guys that have actually trained do know what they're talking about, guys that watch martial arts movies and then think they are Bruce Lee don't...

I agree, to think that a martial artist dose'nt know anything is just plain ignorant. You dont devote a large portion of your life to the study of something that involves the use of your body and not learn a thing or two. After taking 5 years of kung-fu i have learned many ways to breakfall. And by far the one I have had to use the most is a roll. almost every time i fall or jump off of something I am moving forward, a roll is usually perfet for this type of fall/jump. But as stated earlyer if you mess one up you do have the chance of doing your self some damage.
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Kakesu location: England. Fun! Gender: Male printf("shiver in eternal darkness/n"); \| \|	Re: Falling and Landing <Reply # 8 on 6/1/2005 10:53 PM >

	Listen to TheRev. ONLY ROLL IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SERIOUSLY. Urban Freeflow has some nice tutorials, check out the link below. Learning how to roll safely isn't that hard, but untill you're comfortable rolling on concrete, the hand-slap's your best bet. http://www.urbanfr...s/fundamentals.htm

TheRev location: Ohio Gender: Male We go in like professionals, like Charles Bronson... \| \|	Re: Falling and Landing <Reply # 9 on 6/2/2005 12:24 AM >

	To clarify, I didn't insinuate that all martial artists don't know anything, just that there's a lot of BS in the martial arts community. I know because I've done a fair deal (four years of wrestling, a bit over a year in Taijutsu, a bit over a year in MMA/filipino/BJJ, a lot of self teaching) and yeah, there's people out there who know what they're talking about, and can do the stuff they claim. Then there's guys who are caught up in the cult of the martial art, people who think there's a good chance they're going to get in sword fight at some point in their life, or they can run across water by "raising their chi," people who don't live in reality. I don't want someone to think that they can do a bit of tai chi and then drop 20 feet only to find out that no matter how well your energy flows through your body, it doesn't do much to counteract the energy of -9.8 m/s^2 over two stories. For all the "death touch masters" and "1337 ninja 4ss4ass1ns" out there there's many more realistic people, but that doesn't mean these people don't exist, or that they won't be more than willing to impart their "wisdom" on someone looking for some help in breakfalls. So I didn't mean to belittle all martial artists, just the ones who don't live in reality. A small sampling of MA BS http://www.skhquest.com/ http://www.ninjitsu.com/ (as a bonus, this guy kinda looks like Vanilla Ice) http://pages.prodi...prometheus2/bu.htm blah blah, you get the point. Edit: and to head this one off at the pass, I'm not saying you can't safely fall from 2 stories (or maybe even more), just that only meditation isn't the best way to go about preparing yourself for it. [last edit 6/2/2005 12:33 AM by TheRev - edited 1 times]

psychoticsumo location: chicago Gender: Male \|	Re: Falling and Landing <Reply # 10 on 6/2/2005 11:46 PM >

	in the arts the first thing they teach is propper way to fall long live slayer!!!

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Re: Falling and Landing
<Reply # 11 on 6/3/2005 12:01 AM >

Posted by psychoticsumo
in the arts the first thing they teach is propper way to fall

If you're being trained by a qualified instructor, then sure. I think TheRev is warning against the hazards of taking advice from random dudes who claim to be experts.

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Re: Falling and Landing
<Reply # 12 on 6/4/2005 4:08 AM >

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junkyard location: LaCrosse, WI Gender: Male Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat. \| \|	Re: Falling and Landing <Reply # 13 on 6/4/2005 11:47 PM >

	I try not to fall that far. I usually wear my harness and have a rope, I'm getting too old for that shit. I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner! Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite. Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com

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Re: Falling and Landing
<Reply # 14 on 6/10/2005 4:56 AM >

Posted by psychoticsumo
.. see railroad cops were coming from one way and a train with conductor shootin pepper pellets at us the other way...

Dude... what kind of movie were you in?

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	Like Jester said some people dont know how to role. Many martial arts dont know how to do that. A few exceptions come to mind. Many of those are combat martial arts but they practice for things like that. Parachute falls Combat roles practice practice practice always helps "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles"

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Re: Falling and Landing
<Reply # 16 on 6/10/2005 6:54 AM >

Posted by Desolate

Dude... what kind of movie were you in?

yea, no shit, ya think it would be a damn movie, this was back 82-83

long live slayer!!!

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Re: Falling and Landing
<Reply # 17 on 6/11/2005 1:18 AM >

Posted by psychoticsumo

yea, no shit, ya think it would be a damn movie, this was back 82-83

That's some crazy shit dude.

~Desolate

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