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Respirator Question
< on 5/2/2005 10:29 PM >
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I realize there have been a few threads on respirators and the details before but unfortunatly I was unable to locate any. There's a location i've been wanting to check out thats been abandoned for 50+ years now and has been colonized by pigeons. Even on the front steps there's a good 3-5 inch pile of old droppings. I haven't been in yet so I'm unsure of the situation within. What type of facial mask or respirator would be appropriate for a location like this?

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 1 on 5/2/2005 11:07 PM >
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Edit: ok, so I'm kinda being a jerk, but there are lots of threads on this. But basically: you want a P100 rated mask or better. They are available at home stores for $25. These are *not* the paper masks, but actual half-face respirators.
[last edit 5/2/2005 11:10 PM by Servo - edited 1 times]

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 2 on 5/2/2005 11:28 PM >
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Someone posted a link to a mask with 100 extra filters for $30 from a surplus store. Pretty nice setup for the $$$. I'm too lazy to dig it out, but it might have been colemans surplus.

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 3 on 5/3/2005 1:18 AM >
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Damn, looks like I got Served (heh, get it?) Anyway, I appreciate the linkage. I tried finding that earlier but didn't have any luck. I'll post up pics of the place once I scrounge the money to get set up respirator-wise.

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 4 on 5/3/2005 3:27 AM >
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Posted by Echo
Damn, looks like I got Served (heh, get it?) Anyway, I appreciate the linkage. I tried finding that earlier but didn't have any luck. I'll post up pics of the place once I scrounge the money to get set up respirator-wise.


Home Depot has some good masks, I bought one for $27 a couple of weeks ago. Totally worth the money.

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 5 on 5/3/2005 3:32 AM >
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Posted by ofberenonehand
Someone posted a link to a mask with 100 extra filters for $30 from a surplus store.

Yeah, and I'll point out once again, that unless you know what standard they conform to you have no idea what protection, if any, they offer from pigeon shit dust, asbestos, or whatever. I looked before and didn't see a rating that I could match up to anything from OSHA or similar organizations. If someone can do some better research and find out what they actually are rated for, then I'll shut up.

I know I sound like a broken record about this stuff, but safety equipment is important...

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 6 on 5/3/2005 4:21 AM >
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I thought they said they were effective for "asbestos dust" or some other pseudo vague statement. I remember thinking they were good enough to buy, but I'll have to try to find the link and check again. I still need a mask and I have severe lung issues to being with so the longer I put it off...

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 7 on 5/3/2005 6:26 AM >
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Basically, if a mask is P95, it's fine for most jaunts. If you're going to somewhere you think there might be asbestos, you need something rated P100. That's pretty much all you need to know.

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 8 on 5/3/2005 7:20 AM >
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this mask (AOSafety QUICKLATCH™)

pair of these filters
R53HE - P100 (51490-00000)
Organic Vapors and Acid Gases with P100 particulate filter

this mask is nice because it's got a latch in the front you can unlock when you don't need it, without having to readjust the mask to take it off.

$40.00 at Lowes is better than lung cancer.
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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 9 on 5/3/2005 7:27 AM >
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Posted by Kakesu
Basically, if a mask is P95, it's fine for most jaunts. If you're going to somewhere you think there might be asbestos, you need something rated P100. That's pretty much all you need to know.


im pretty sure most if not all buildings built between 1920-1995 contain asbestos, my numbers could be wrong though.

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 10 on 5/3/2005 9:07 AM >
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Posted by Dages


im pretty sure most if not all buildings built between 1920-1995 contain asbestos, my numbers could be wrong though.


As long as you leave asbestos alone, it is safe. Plus it takes alot of exposure to asbestos to cause lung cancer, Kinda like cigarettes. Smoking a few wont kill you, but 50+ years of smoking could affect your health.

The asbestos cleanup hysteria of the late 80's was mostly just that... Hysteria. A good way for abatement companies to make good coin off people's fears and vournabilities. Same thing is happening now with "killer mold"...

Most of it is Bullshit, with the rare case here and there of actuall sicknesses related to either asbestos or mold.

If you wanna be safe, by all means get a respirator with the purple filters, they are usually rated for asbestos. I only use a respirator to keep dust out of my lungs so I dont cough too much. I know what asbestos looks like and do not touch it. You might be suprised to know that if you house has old linolium tiles in your kitchen from the 50's and 60's I too could be asbestos as well...I know that my house (90+ years old) has it in it on the duct work...

I guess all I am saying is it's not as dangerous as some people think, and it takes alot of exposure to cause any real harm... It's not like AIDS, one screw gets ya...


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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 11 on 5/3/2005 3:38 PM >
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The poster was asking about pigeon shit dust, not asbestos. Pigeon shit dust can give you Psittacosis or Histoplasmosis, and while both are rare, if you're traipsing around in a few inches of powdered pigeon shit I'm sure your risk factors might go up a bit...

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 12 on 5/3/2005 6:19 PM >
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Posted by Dages


im pretty sure most if not all buildings built between 1920-1995 contain asbestos, my numbers could be wrong though.


Asbestos has been used from 1925 till 1975 in buildings, then it was forbidden.

Besides asbestos Pigeon shit is also quite dangerous since it contains Histoplasosium Capsulum which causes histoplasmosis (a lung disease). Small dosage of it can cause temporary immunity but I wouldn't risk it. large doses can cause a chronical histoplasmosis that can be fatal if not treated properly. Some mutations are very resistant against common antibiotics and are therefore hard to threat.

A good P100 filter can protect you against it but be sure to change clothes after the visit. You can simply wash them afterwards (this is not the case with asbestos!!!)

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 13 on 5/3/2005 7:45 PM >
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I have a 1980s S6 British Army gas mask that I originally bought for £2 on a flea market as a novelty item, but I discovered it was still quite serviceable and bought some new P100 filters for it, so now I use that as my respirator when I need one. I'd rather have a modern half-face respirator as the full-face design gets horribly hot, sweaty and itchy when worn for more than ten minutes, and limits vision somewhat. I only really use it in dry, dusty service tunnels and the like where there's a whole lot of asbestos and spores floating around.

I'd suggest laying out the money for a decent half-face respirator from a hardware store if you're getting one, as the gasmask is uncomfortable to wear for long periods and I was lucky it was still usable at all as an actual mask.

And don't skimp on the filters, only P100 will protet you from asbestos.
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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 14 on 5/3/2005 10:10 PM >
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Posted by wooble
I have a 1980s S6 British Army gas mask that I originally bought for £2 on a flea market as a novelty item, but I discovered it was still quite serviceable and bought some new P100 filters for it, so now I use that as my respirator when I need one. I'd rather have a modern half-face respirator as the full-face design gets horribly hot, sweaty and itchy when worn for more than ten minutes, and limits vision somewhat.



Yeah, That's true but it can look so fucking scary towards somebody else. Especially a S6, it looks so alien (Well, the canadian C4 gasmask looks the most alien of all).


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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 15 on 5/6/2005 1:41 AM >
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Is it true that you cannot wash asbestos out of your clothes? I always wash whatever I was wearing twice with some extra soap. From what I understand the soap causes it to clump, and the more you wash it, the more you get out.



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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 16 on 5/6/2005 2:54 AM >
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Is it true that you cannot wash asbestos out of your clothes? I always wash whatever I was wearing twice with some extra soap. From what I understand the soap causes it to clump, and the more you wash it, the more you get out.





Asbestos fibres are like needles with small hooks attached to it, they get stuck into your clothes. Although they may come of after a few times washing them it's not recommened. Removal teams wear disposable Tyvek suits but they quite expensive (like 15$ a piece, this to wear them only once!!!).


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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 17 on 5/6/2005 3:50 AM >
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Asbestos fibres are like needles with small hooks attached to it, they get stuck into your clothes. Although they may come of after a few times washing them it's not recommened. Removal teams wear disposable Tyvek suits but they quite expensive (like 15$ a piece, this to wear them only once!!!).



What if you just walked through a site and didn't disturb the abestos? Would the possible small amount of abestos affect anything?

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 18 on 5/6/2005 4:54 AM >
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^^^ It's possible, you never know. Even small amounts may effect you and some people get heavy doses and never have any problems.

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Re: Respirator Question
<Reply # 19 on 5/7/2005 8:10 AM >
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Asbestos fibres are like needles with small hooks attached to it, they get stuck into your clothes. Although they may come of after a few times washing them it's not recommened. Removal teams wear disposable Tyvek suits but they quite expensive (like 15$ a piece, this to wear them only once!!!).



i'm wearing UE clothes right now.... aieee.

If it's that stuck in there I'm not to worried about breathing it in though.

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