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ColdWater location: boston Gender: Male \| \|	Video monitors? < on 3/26/2005 2:47 AM >

	Ok, so my favorite UE place recently got a sign saying that they had video cameras. These signs were put up within the last 4 months too. The factory is a fairly large, L shaped factory. Half of the tall part of the L is active, but im exploring in the abandoned short part. All of the area is surrounded by one big fence though. My question is, what is the likeliness that there are actually cameras in the abandoned part? Do they need to have that warning any entrance to that fence? Its a pretty big area, its the majority of some industrial park. The second part of my question is what are some places that cameras may be placed on buildings? I looked around a good amount last time I was there and saw nothing. And if there are cameras, where are they going, and what are the chances of something to happening to me because of it.

Avatar-X Alpha Husky location: West Coast Gender: Male yay! \| \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 1 on 3/26/2005 3:34 AM >

	Let's look at a little chart: Cost to install cameras + wiring + monitoring station + recording devices + pay people to watch them .... $20,000 + $60,000 / yr monitoring Cost to install signs warning of cameras .... $300 Draw your own conclusions -av huskies - such fluff.

ColdWater location: boston Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 2 on 3/26/2005 3:43 AM >

	Haha, thanks. Sadly, they took to locking all the entrances that were open when they put those signs up.

Yehoshua location: Ontario Gender: Male \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 3 on 3/26/2005 4:14 AM >

	As a general rule, if there are signs, there are no cameras. Cameras are to catch people that trespass, signs are to prevent trespassing in the first place. Often you'll see a large bulky camera standing out...as you can probably guess, chances are it's a dummy. Of course, if you're at an active site that likely has sec guards in the first place, I wouldn't risk it. But an abandoned building, even if it did have active security cameras, they'd only be checked if there was a problem, and they probably re-write themselves every 1-7 days, so as long as you're not breaking windows or vandalizing, they likely won't bother to ever check the tapes anyways. Our Citizen. Our Justice. Bring Omar Khadr back to Canada.

nostra-YOUPPI! Umpire location: Shahre:'on Kaybec Bonsoir et cest partie \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 4 on 3/26/2005 6:35 AM >

	as for big bulky cameras, where i work we have 4 of em outside, nothing in the box and a little red light on em powered by a small ac adapter, great device for scaring people away Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive

Mark Very Noble Donor location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole? \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 5 on 3/26/2005 7:08 AM >

	One of the abandoned sites I go to has tons of camera...... on one side of the building. I dont even think anyone monters them. Look around if you see a camera it probably as a blind spot or 12. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles"

wooble location: Surrey, UK Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 6 on 3/26/2005 1:54 PM >

	Chances are that there are no cameras and the signs are just to put the scare into people as others have said, but even if there are cameras (a possibility if it is a part-active site), they're likely to stick out like a sore thumb, and a little common sense can keep you hidden. Or, try and look official. A reflective yellow jacket and hard hat does wonders.

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Re: Video monitors?
<Reply # 7 on 3/26/2005 11:20 PM >

Posted by nostra-YOUPPI!
as for big bulky cameras, where i work we have 4 of em outside, nothing in the box and a little red light on em powered by a small ac adapter, great device for scaring people away

Isn't one way of telling if they're dummy cameras or not the fact that the dummy ones don't move?

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Re: Video monitors?
<Reply # 8 on 3/26/2005 11:28 PM >

Posted by ex-goose-villager

Isn't one way of telling if they're dummy cameras or not the fact that the dummy ones don't move?

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GMGuy Gender: Male \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 9 on 3/26/2005 11:34 PM >

	Not all cameras move. Many are fixed in position, like the housing above, to monitor a specific location (door for example) or area (parking lot in general with a view of an entry way). Domed housing can be fixed or moving. Depending on what they want to accomplish. Is it active? Thats anybodys guess. Theres a car wash I use that recently put up signs, along with dummy cameras in each bay... They where so crafty in their installation they stapled the length of wire coming out of the camera to the same rafter the camera mount is screwed to. Of course, there is the possibility they where crafty and have real lipstick cameras somewhere else in the bay. BTW, red lights don't mean squat. Many of ours have been taped over. (to keep from giving away locations of possible dead cameras). Alex. [last edit 3/26/2005 11:36 PM by GMGuy - edited 1 times]

Chronic Very Noble Donor location: Kitchener, ON Gender: Male Architecture has only two enemies. Water and stupid men. \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 10 on 3/26/2005 11:42 PM >

	link to picture Bell Canada/Nexacor/SNC Lavalin sites use these. They are very real and monitored. [Image was breaking the page layout; made it a link - Servo] [last edit 3/27/2005 2:00 AM by Servo - edited 1 times] 01:14:16] <Chronic> Conrad...ya gotta go.... [01:14:30] <nightbird> yes Mr. Black, life is funnier than a pocket full of stocks! And...Tim has legal friends in Chicago...we'll get thru this!!!

nostra-YOUPPI! Umpire location: Shahre:'on Kaybec Bonsoir et cest partie \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 11 on 3/27/2005 5:27 AM >

	place i used to work had a cool camera system put in that had a split screen showing all the cameras and a main one showing the camera of the guards choice. the main screen would also automatically switch to any camera near a proximity reader that detected a bum card or when someone pushed an intercom button on the perimiter the monitor would switch to that camera but the coolest of all was the cameras monitoring the fence. they had infra red detectors the length of the fences all were set up in pairs pointing at each other the computer somehow with the amount of heat detected could pinpoint and follow someone walking the fence with the camera using these detectors. now the system was great until the company went and painted yellow no mans land lines in neighboring parking lots and asked neighboring builing owners not to approach the fence as it was messing up the system and also cats and skunks were being followed by the system so they nixed the tracking cameras Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive

ColdWater location: boston Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 12 on 3/27/2005 3:40 PM >

	The company thats in the active part of the building is an athletic training club of small size. I doubt theyd spend that much money on cameras.

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Re: Video monitors?
<Reply # 13 on 3/27/2005 9:22 PM >

Posted by nostra-YOUPPI!

.... but the coolest of all was the cameras monitoring the fence. they had infra red detectors the length of the fences all were set up in pairs pointing at each other the computer somehow with the amount of heat detected could pinpoint and follow someone walking the fence with the camera using these detectors. now the system was great until the company went and painted yellow no mans land lines in neighboring parking lots and asked neighboring builing owners not to approach the fence as it was messing up the system and also cats and skunks were being followed by the system so they nixed the tracking cameras

That's just nuts! Even the military installations I've been at didn't have that kind of brain-dead kind of paranoia.

If I were the adjacent property owners, I'd certainly not take too kindly to these dweebs painting yellow lines on *my* property, and telling *my* tenants not to go past the yellow line. Who the f*** do these people think they are, anyway? If I had neighbours like that, I would go well out of my way to piss them off, just for their impertinence and arrogance.

INeedAttention.com Noble Donor location: New York, NY Gender: Male Senior troll analyst \| \| \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 14 on 3/28/2005 12:48 AM >

	Regarding video monitors, last night duffgirl and I climbed a construction crane at a fairly high profile site. Once we got up to the top, we noticed cameras on the roofs of two nearby buildings (owned by the same property owner) that were pointed directly at the construction site. We must have stayed at the top of the crane for at least a half hour to an hour. The entire site was also well lit and visible from a state highway. No one noticed us the entire time, or if they did notice us, cared to respond to our activity. In all likelihood, if someone had seen us climbing the crane on the cameras, they'd come out to say something. The location has 24 hour security, also. So, the moral of the story is, just because a camera is there does not mean that someone is watching. The same goes for lights. Leaving a light on provides people with a false sense of security. I am not afraid of lights, because in my experience, some locations are just left lit because of the false sense of security that lighting provides. Colours, LINKS, images, etc are not allowed, text and LINKS only. Emphasis mine.

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Re: Video monitors?
<Reply # 15 on 3/29/2005 2:38 AM >

Posted by INeedAttention.com
Regarding video monitors, last night duffgirl and I climbed a construction crane at a fairly high profile site. Once we got up to the top, we noticed cameras on the roofs of two nearby buildings (owned by the same property owner) that were pointed directly at the construction site. We must have stayed at the top of the crane for at least a half hour to an hour. The entire site was also well lit and visible from a state highway. No one noticed us the entire time, or if they did notice us, cared to respond to our activity. In all likelihood, if someone had seen us climbing the crane on the cameras, they'd come out to say something. The location has 24 hour security, also. So, the moral of the story is, just because a camera is there does not mean that someone is watching. The same goes for lights. Leaving a light on provides people with a false sense of security. I am not afraid of lights, because in my experience, some locations are just left lit because of the false sense of security that lighting provides.

Exactly. Security cameras are generally not a very big deal. Usually they're just on a tape loop and the tape only gets watched if something goes down. Most security cameras are not actively monitored. That costs a lot of money.

Andy "Not Dice" Dice location: We can live in dumpsters if we have to, MA Gender: Male UE'ing is for pussies, bro. \| \| \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 16 on 3/29/2005 3:40 AM >

	I would worry more about motion detectors? They're so much more discreet than video cameras and they can just be wired to a security office that watches over like 400000000 different accounts and just notifies the owner and/or the local police when it gets triggered, so the cost is much lower to the property owner than to have a dude monitor your three or four cameras 24/7. Has anybody had problems or encounters with motion detectors? --- 456.photo.to ---

Macsbug Noble Donor location: St. Paul, MN Gender: Male Safety First! \| \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 17 on 3/29/2005 3:45 AM >

	Heh, yeah. But I should have seen it coming. "Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."

duffgirl location: New York/Albany Gender: Female \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 18 on 3/29/2005 4:43 AM >

	i've only ever had problems with the motion detectors for the lights outside my house

Decoy location: Leslieville Gender: Male Oh I have slipped the bonds of earth... \|	Re: Video monitors? <Reply # 19 on 3/29/2005 5:34 AM >

	I only have problems remembering the codes to the ones I have to deal with at work. It's a drag, it's a bore, it's really such a pitty To be lookin' at the board, not lookin' at the city.

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