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Fedaykin
 
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< on 3/15/2005 1:33 AM >
|  | | | So I had a run in with "The Law" today while exploring. I (we actually) were inside a building and my moron friend left the garage door he gained access through wide open. Security rolls up as we are inside and obviously sees the door wide open. Our car was parked nearby, so I decided it was best to come on out rather than hide or run. So we came out, security gave us the "you shouldnt be in there" talk, standard operating procedure yatta yatta. Then they had to report us to the cops and to their boss. So we start shooting the shit with them as we wait for the police. The police arrive and the guy was a real dick. He just wanted to arrest us and get out of there but luckily the boss didn't want us arrested so the cop starts give us crap about how we would have been charged with Trespassing and Breaking and entering and stuff. So finally the boss arrives and he gives us a talk, then we start making small talk and stuff with him before we left. Turns out he is Deputy sheriff of the county or something. That made us feel all important.
Anyway, what kind of consequences are there if charges like that go on your record?
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David E
   
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| | | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 1 on 3/15/2005 1:38 AM >
| | | | To cut it real short, a criminal record.
Loss of a job, being precluded from jobs, security clearances not going through, not being able to get in the military, etc.
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salt
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| | | | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 2 on 3/15/2005 1:58 AM >
| | | | in massachusetts B&E can carry up to 2 1/2 years in the hoc(house of correction)
if you dont have a record their more likely to reduce the charges to trespassing or attempted B&E which can both carry a year or fines or both. however if you do not have a long record you'll most likely not be charged with a felony,and it will be cwaf'd (continued without a finding) for a period of time, most likely 6months to a year. provided you dont get in any trouble during that time itll be the same as a non-guilty finding, meaning itll be on your record but recognized by the courts as not guilty.
but remember once you get in trouble once, maybe twice, your slap on the wrist will quickly become a book thrown at your face. be careful, safe exploring!
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| | | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 3 on 3/15/2005 3:52 AM >
| | | | Posted by salt
in massachusetts B&E can carry up to 2 1/2 years in the hoc(house of correction)
if you dont have a record their more likely to reduce the charges to trespassing or attempted B&E which can both carry a year or fines or both. however if you do not have a long record you'll most likely not be charged with a felony,and it will be cwaf'd (continued without a finding) for a period of time, most likely 6months to a year. provided you dont get in any trouble during that time itll be the same as a non-guilty finding, meaning itll be on your record but recognized by the courts as not guilty.
but remember once you get in trouble once, maybe twice, your slap on the wrist will quickly become a book thrown at your face. be careful, safe exploring!
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cwaf'd can still be detrimental. I was denied a FAFSA for college because I had one. Really crappy.
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TheRev
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| | | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 4 on 3/15/2005 4:16 AM >
| | | | Posted by David E
To cut it real short, a criminal record.
Loss of a job, being precluded from jobs, security clearances not going through, not being able to get in the military, etc.
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I looked into this a little bit because I'm thinking about joining the army or being a police officer. Denial from the military on conviction grounds comes if they rule it to show you're not in "good moral standing" (whatever that means). Depending on how long ago the conviction was and what it was for, you may still be able to join up. For police (I looked at State Trooper in New Hampshire) they have lists of things that will disqualify and trespass and criminal trespass weren't on there (I forget about B&E), and their qualifications were based on time as well.
Moral of the story, getting arrested blows, even if you don't go to jail you're looking at troubles for at least a couple years down the road.
Reasons to stick to places that are lower risk...
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NoSuchPerson
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| | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 5 on 3/15/2005 9:32 AM >
| | | | Depends.
If you plan on getting busted for Trespassing and B&E, I hope you like your farts smelling like vaseline.
That said... You can be in the military with a criminal record...at least in Canada. They don't check for that kind of thing at all. I was offered a very high position in the armed services up here after I finished college, and I've got a record. Granted, it's nothing serious, but it's still there. No, I didn't take the job, mostly because they couldn't guarentee me that my ass would never leave Canada - that was my only demand...I refuse to go to war for anybody.
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TheRev
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We go in like professionals, like Charles Bronson...
| | | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 6 on 3/15/2005 10:25 AM >
| | | | Yeah, they ask here when you first start out, but it doesn't ensure rejection.
Personal favorite relevant story: In the 60s my dad was in the Seminary training to be a priest (my mom stole him away from god before he committed). One of his friends left the seminary while the draft was going on, and was drafted. He was a really smart guy, but was a member of the Communist Party in America. So they call him up, go through the whole rigamarole, and get to the McCarthy Question: "Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party?" and he doesn't want to lie, so he says "Yes." The army then sent him to training and gave him a position dealing with high level military secrets throughout the Vietnam War.
Granted they were a bit more desperate back then, but I don't think a misdemeanor with a penalty equivalent to a traffic ticket is going to keep you out.
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| | | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 7 on 3/15/2005 9:38 PM >
| | | | 10 years in "pound you in the ass" federal prison
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missxmolly
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| | | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 8 on 3/16/2005 1:48 AM >
| | | | knuckle sandwiches for b & e
what happened? did you get a ticket/fine or just a lecture?
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DarkFish
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| | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 9 on 3/16/2005 2:25 AM >
| | | | There's also the lesser charge of Attempted B&E which is only probation and community service. A lot of the time you can get it lowered to that, provided you weren't robbing the place. I'm not to clear on it, but I'm fairly sure (In Ontario anyway) after a few years you can request to have your record cleared. I dont know if that would affect getting into the military, but at least from an employment perspective it would be clear. I'm sure that is very situation dependant though
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salt
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| | | | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 10 on 3/16/2005 2:31 AM >
| | | | Posted by DarkFish
There's also the lesser charge of Attempted B&E which is only probation and community service.
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yea, tell that to my probation officer who sent me to jail for 5 months, for attempted B&E
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DarkFish
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<Reply # 11 on 3/16/2005 2:52 AM >
| | | | Posted by salt
yea, tell that to my probation officer who sent me to jail for 5 months, for attempted B&E
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Damn, that really sucks. Here in Canada its not that bad anyway.
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Fedaykin
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| | | | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 12 on 3/16/2005 7:33 PM >
| | | | Damn that sucks. I'm joining the Corps this summer, gotta ask the recruiter what would happen if I got Trespass and B&E.
We got off with a lecture from the security guards, the cop and the boss.
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NoSuchPerson
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| | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 13 on 3/16/2005 9:23 PM >
| | | | Actually, in Canada, Attempted B&E is still an indicitable offence, so in theory if the Judge wanted to make an example of you and throw the book at you, he/she COULD give you a maximum of 10 years behind bars.
In Canada, there's either Summary Conviction of Indicitable types of offences. One carries a max of 6 months, the other 10 years. It's entirely up to the Judge what he'll give you for a sentence. The police have no say, and the Crown Attorny (sp?) can only recommend.
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DarkFish
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| | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 14 on 3/16/2005 10:09 PM >
| | | | Wow I wasnt aware of that. A few friends and I got charged with attempted B&E and Possession of break-in tools and we only got a year of probation and 60 hours of community service. That wasnt brought down from anything, that was the original charge so I'm sure that helped in a light sentence. Also first offence, and freshly having turned 18.
Anyway, my point was thats a smaller charge they can lower it to, which is easier to request having your record cleared later.
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Citizen
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| | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 15 on 3/20/2005 5:32 AM >
| | | | It could also put a crimp in any international travel plans you might have.
If you tried to actually emigrate with a criminal record most countries will say "forget it" unless you've only picked up some minor charges, preferably a very long time ago.
Some of the more hard-ass countries (Australia, for example) won't even let you come in as a tourist if you have anything other than a trivial record. Whether B&E cuts it as a "minor" offence with the boys at the Department of Immigration, Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs, I don't know, but knowing them, I'd say no - particularly for a semi-recent offence and especially if they catch you lying about it on those little cards you have to fill out on the plane.
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Giblet
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| | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 16 on 3/21/2005 2:46 PM >
| | | | Here in the states, so far, trespass is a very different animal than B&E.
Simple Trespass carries a fine of $250 and probation. After 6 months, your conviction is deleted.
Criminal Trespass is nastier - fine, probation, and possible jail sentence.
B&E is fine+time+probation+permanent record.
I have been grabbed by cops LOTS of times. I'm just too darn nosy, I guess. I have never been fined, handcuffed, booked, or buggered in the drunk tank, because I have a good line: "Gee, I thought it was abandoned... Abandoned property is public property isn't it? Golly, ossifer, I'd NEVER have gone in there if I thought it was illegal. (Standing beside 'No Trespassing' sign)".
Cops aren't bad guys. OK, *most* aren't. You can always tell the hard-ass because they're short and fat. You have to show tons of respect and submissiveness to them because they're still trying to get over their dad's dominance or some BS like that. You don't have to go overboard - flinching every time they move a hand - but if you're courteous, friendly, and respectful - and if you obviously aren't a hoodlum - no cop in the world is going to arrest you for being nosy. They *will* give you a hard time, though. I'd feel like my taxes were being wasted if they didn't.
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Caveman6666
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| | | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 17 on 3/21/2005 9:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by Giblet
Simple Trespass carries a fine of $250 and probation. After 6 months, your conviction is deleted.
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Depends on the local laws. Lot of larger cities, they're busy enough with reeal problems not to want to bother with shit like trespassing. Here, it'd be known among the cops as a 'garbage' arrest, meaning a waste of their time.
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Nelles22
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| | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 18 on 3/21/2005 11:10 PM >
| | | | From my experience most of the time this is true, the cops have better things to waste their time on. I've never had a problem with just saying was I taking photos and was leaving, didn't realize it was private property, and so on. Cops have never done anything beyond checking my drivers license and then telling me to leave.
Being honest (or close to) and friendly was worked well for me.
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peterbillionaire
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| | Re: What would be the consequences of being arrested for Trespass, breaking and entering?
<Reply # 19 on 3/23/2005 1:23 AM >
| | | | giblet and nelles22 give good advice; do what the cop or guard says to do; stay calm; look them in the eye; don't mouth off; explain that you are only looking around because you like old architecture or whatever; say "officer" a lot; ask directly for the cop to give you a break; you mean no harm, have not damaged anything, will leave now, etc.
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