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<Reply # 20 on 2/8/2005 11:54 PM >
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My own family kitchen floor was tiled with linoleum-asbestos tiles (before we change all the flooring in our house for another reason). I am in good health and I never had cancer or something like that.
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linoleum-asbestos tiles show no danger compare to bare asbestos pipe insulation. Linoleum is not volatile even if you jump on it.
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'Dukes
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 21 on 2/9/2005 2:53 AM >
| | | | Don't ; grab a pipe and rip the insulation from it.
Don't ; take a tile cutter with you and start remodeling the place.
Otherwise, wear the respirator, grab a throw away paper jumpsuit.
Remember, the stuff isn't a problem unless disturbed, which is why it makes me wonder why they remove it, because in the course of doing so they disturb it.
Have a good time.
You're in more danger from breathing the mold ; that will not permanently damage you but leave you sick for days (possibly).
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Jester
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Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 22 on 2/9/2005 3:45 AM >
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You're in more danger from breathing the mold ; that will not permanently damage you but leave you sick for days (possibly).
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Very possible. I got a respiratory infection after visiting a very moldy building at Woodlands that wouldn't go away, took a few weeks of quite strong antibiotics to get rid of it...
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SPEK Photo
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<Reply # 23 on 2/9/2005 3:47 AM >
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When I used to work taking air samples at asbestos abatement sites, it was always assumed that any building that was built pre-1970 contained asbestos.
Respirators never hurt, and the basic rule of thumb I use is to not disturb any friable (crumble-able) material (plaster, ceiling tile, pipe insulation, etc.) that may contain the stuff.
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So how high would you rate the risk of going inside of a building with a lot of exposed and fallen on the floor asbestos if you don't disturb it? Is the number of fiber in the air in such a place could be somewhat equal to any old building?
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Cowboy Wayne
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Evansville, Indiana.
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 24 on 2/9/2005 5:43 AM >
| | | | Just walking will probably kicks some of it up.
Thanks for the advice guys. I think I'll postpone this until I have the means to get all this stuff, and be able to explore the place using it discreetly. Until then I think I can keep myself busy; I just learned that the local preservation society has four old abandoned buildings of historical value and other neat stuff preserved. I think I'll go give those a little looksie.
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Supreme Noble Donor
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City of Chicago, Richard M. Daley, Mayor
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 25 on 2/9/2005 3:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by SPEK Photo
So how high would you rate the risk of going inside of a building with a lot of exposed and fallen on the floor asbestos if you don't disturb it? Is the number of fiber in the air in such a place could be somewhat equal to any old building? |
As CW said, just walking around in such a building would kick some up. It's really hard to say exactly how dangerous that would be--if you are a conscious explorer, I would say "Not very, but still bring your respirator along."
The points people made about mold are good ones, and I would also add a warning regarding massive piles of bird shit that are often found caked on the floors of some abandonments. Nasty stuff. In fact, I did one job at a soon to be demolished power plant, and after all of the asbestos was abated the EPA determined that another crew had to go back in and spend a couple of weeks just to remove all of the bird poo (which we jokingly nicknamed "organic asbestos".)
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<Reply # 26 on 2/9/2005 7:39 PM >
| | | | Posted by 'Dukes
Don't ; grab a pipe and rip the insulation from it.
Don't ; take a tile cutter with you and start remodeling the place.
Otherwise, wear the respirator, grab a throw away paper jumpsuit.
Remember, the stuff isn't a problem unless disturbed, which is why it makes me wonder why they remove it, because in the course of doing so they disturb it.
Have a good time.
You're in more danger from breathing the mold ; that will not permanently damage you but leave you sick for days (possibly).
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I totally agree with you.
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<Reply # 27 on 2/10/2005 12:25 AM >
| | | | Indeed mold and especialy pigeon dorpping can cause very bad health problem in a very short time compared to asbestos. encephalite (surrounding brain tissus infection ) is one of the disease you can get from inhaling dust in the air from pigeon dropping. Mold can cause severe respiratory problem. My question was more about on the floor asbestos. In any cases I have always my mask with me.
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SPEK Photo
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<Reply # 28 on 3/10/2005 2:33 AM >
| | | | Most of us Explorers cares about our health and we question ourself about if it's a good thing to protect ourself and how to do it, specially about asbestos. But almost weekly at job I'm confronted with "young man I've been working heeere for 27 years and my lungs are good" .
Check the picture:
A high pressure steam gasket blown out during the weekend on a 8" valve. The asbestos insulation exploded making a big cloud of dust and pieces of asbestos tiles went everywhere. Now all the boiler room plumber found to do was to find the closest tool to put on the leaking valve in order to lower the steaming whistle noise.
The boilers man there don't give a fuck about asbestos, they don't care about it because they are still fine unlike asbestos diggers of the 1940's. Well he may be fine now, but it's just a mather of a few more years for him. The ripped insulation combined with the direct steam stream throw fibers everywhere in the air.
People not aware of asbestos hazard can be more dangerous than the asbestos itself.
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jukebox fuckup
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killadelphia
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 29 on 3/14/2005 2:40 AM >
| | | | Asbestos wasn't officially banned from public buildings until 1998 I believe, however it still lines brake pedals and clutches.
As others stated, I believe asbestos inhalation isn't too serious of a problem unless if you're disturbing it
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<Reply # 30 on 3/21/2005 9:32 PM >
| | | | | As others stated, I believe asbestos inhalation isn't too serious of a problem unless if you're disturbing it |
Seeing this topic crop up regularly over my time lurking here at UER, time to put in my two cents.
Having had to work in asbestos containing areas, the general rule of thumb is, as long as it is not disturbed it is not going to be a hazzard. Its breathing in of wayward fibers that is going to do you harm in the future, (the fibers are tiny and will lodge in your lungs).
As mentioned, don't tear off pipe insulation. Don't kick at a piece of pipe insulation (thereby releasing a cloud of dust and fibers from it). Don't grab a handfull of that weird gray looking paper stuff that looks like a wasps nest and throw it...
If you are walking across fallen cieling tiles, odds are walking across them is going to kick up some sort of dust. The drier the worse it will be. Walk softly and don't drag your feet would be the advice to give "grasshopper". Wet tiles will not be trouble, as wet material tends to stick to itself. Broken tiles, etc are not going to be a problem to you. The dust they created might when you walk through it.
As mentioned, most cieling tiles contain some asbestos, and unless the building has undergone reno's some time in the past 10 years or so, assume asbestos. Just a point of note, removing asbestos cieling tile is NOT (at least it wasn't) a full hazmat situation. Approoved dust masks, remove tile without breaking it, place into sealed garbage containers, dispose of as your typical asbestos waste--unlike pipe insulation which requires area sealing. As long as the tile was not broken, the fibers remain contained.
If you see pipes with a paper like coating, its probably asbestos. Bottom line though, if pipes and tiles are intact, the asbestos hazzard is minimal. If you see lots of torn insulation with what looks like a wet paper mash, and broken tiles tossed around assume the dust on the floor also contains asbestos, and could pose a problem, a resperater would be a wise choice.
Any buildings we would find ourselves in probably has asbestos containing products in them, but again, as long as you don't break it, or disturb it, your risks are low.
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<Reply # 31 on 3/22/2005 12:14 AM >
| | | | Out of curiousity, isn't in mandatory (I'm speaking for Ontario here...) to have areas with Asbestos marked with the yellow 'A' triangle, at least in an active building?
I've been in quite a few buildings and all of the locations with asbestos in these buildings have those markers on them...
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<Reply # 32 on 3/25/2005 12:07 AM >
| | | | Only based on what I've observed in the buildings where I work, No. We've still got transite wall boards in a lot of buildings, along with asbestos containing ceiling tiles, plaster and piping. No yellow A to be seen anywhere.
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location:
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<Reply # 33 on 3/25/2005 1:13 AM >
| | | | I don't think it is mandatory to have "A" on asbestos things, if it is then the rule is not applied.
Check local regulation.
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Darkwolf
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Gender: Male
I fix things!
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<Reply # 34 on 3/28/2005 10:30 PM >
| | | | There are so many different types of asbestos, mold and bacteria floating around these places nowadays I would no go anywhere without my mask and gloves. Better safe than sorry.
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 35 on 3/30/2005 4:13 AM >
| | | | Ive found a wonderful site on asbestos and molds and how dangerous they actually are, i know ive posted it a couple times but hey, info never hurts. This site is real self explanatory and easy to get all the info you need. Also out od over 7,000 known species of mold olny 7-10 are toxic, and those are mainly types that are found in the average bathroom. I was amazed to find out most of the molds you find in the deepest darkest corners of rotting buildings are not toxic when the shower you bath in everyday if not properly cleaned can make you extremely ill. When it comes to chemicals im usually worried most about pcb's, there really disgusting and harmful, and usually are everywhere in these old abandoned industrial complexes.
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Umpire
location:
Shahre:'on Kaybec
Bonsoir et cest partie
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<Reply # 36 on 3/30/2005 4:18 AM >
| | | | Posted by SPEK Photo
I don't think it is mandatory to have "A" on asbestos things, if it is then the rule is not applied.
Check local regulation.
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the entire "rajout" on gare viger in montreal is made of asbestos siding, the inside was loaded with mold, it was a horror story for a while, the asbestos is still there but inside was cleaned up.
as for asbestos brake pads, they are rare as pope shit, i know ive been trying to find em for my car, they are the most efficient brake pads you can find.
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yaggy
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 37 on 3/30/2005 3:09 PM >
| | | | Go here: http://tinyurl.com/4e38q
For $29.95, you get one incredibly durable face mask and high-grade filters rated for the asbestos dusts, mists and molds we run into when exploring the interiors of old structures and tunnels. Not just two starter filters, but a stock of 100. Each set seems to last 25-40 hours, so you can see how great a deal this is in the long run, compared to buying the flimsy disposable variety that run $5-9 each.
When five hours into exploring, you can climb five sets of stairs and then breath deeply despite all the particles dancing around you (visible and not), you'll be happy you planned ahead. Not to mention the lack of dark junk lodged in your nasal passages. We are not indestructible, and each dose of harm we take makes us permanently weaker.
Bottom line is it's a great thing to have in your bag when the air gets bad.
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yaggy
location:
Tunnel #8
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 38 on 4/1/2005 7:14 PM >
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OK - that link expires.
it's http://www.colemans.com/
ITEM# Desc.
128701 Comfo® II Half Face Respirator & 100 Filters
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Corvid
location:
Oxford, UK
Gender: Male
Master of Illusion!!
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<Reply # 39 on 4/1/2005 8:40 PM >
| | | | Ok, let me get this clear, wearing a disposable dust suit, and wearing a suitable mask makes it safe to enter an area with asbestos in. How much protection would this provide?
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