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Maverick location: South Carolina \|	Guillie suits < on 7/15/2003 8:00 PM >

	anyone here want to know about guillie suts as i have seen some questions about it but no real threads (as of yet)? I have a fair knowledge about them and im sure others can imput. egos stop learning and if your not learning your dead

Nismo location: Montreal. Lachine Gender: Male It's so vewy droi here \| \| \| \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 1 on 7/15/2003 8:24 PM >

	Guillie suits are used by SWAT Snipers who need to hide out in a field in the middle of the desert, its more of a stationary method of camouflage, I dont know how it would fit into UE unless you plan on lying in a field all day scouting out a building.

Maverick location: South Carolina \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 2 on 7/15/2003 8:30 PM >

	true thats why I asked but there are things called stalking suits. I also have seen them used quite well to hide from cops and enter hard to enter places. Such as live sites etc. I also like to recon and watch the basic paterns of places before going in if there live and have used a guillie suit for that to. egos stop learning and if your not learning your dead

Jester location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight... \| \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 3 on 7/15/2003 8:32 PM >

	Ghillie suits aren't that relevant for the majority here. But would be useful on some missions, especially when scouting places with security out in the bush... I've considered making one, but haven't needed to do so yet... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf.

Maverick location: South Carolina \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 4 on 7/15/2003 8:38 PM >

	well if you guys want some tips I have made quite a few with my friends. If not thats cool. I know the uses for most are pretyy limited. egos stop learning and if your not learning your dead

Chud Try a 211, you'll just get 187'd... \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 5 on 7/15/2003 8:40 PM >

	Here in Alabama, there's a plethora of woody areas, even right by urban areas. I would have many uses for one, whether it was urban or woody. What should I do to make one? Nobody will not agree with the Russians, ever on anything. -Kimmo

Jester location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight... \| \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 6 on 7/15/2003 8:43 PM >

	thanks for the offer. It would be more of a project just for my own enjoyment of making it than out of a real need for it. Depends if i end up with enough time to undertake it... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf.

Jester location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight... \| \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 7 on 7/15/2003 8:44 PM >

	here'a pretty well done set of instructions i've looked at before... http://www.geocities.com/stalker217/ghillie/ It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf.

Blueskunk location: Toronto, Ontario Gender: Female Mmmm... sanitariums. \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 8 on 7/15/2003 10:39 PM >

	That is a good site! Educational and interesting...

Pyrodesiac location: NL, Canada Gender: Male TNT can make a dull day fun! \| \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 9 on 7/15/2003 11:31 PM >

	Proper ghillie suits weigh between twenty and fifty pounds. They're for snipers, who don't move for days at a time. Kind of useless for exploring, it's just extra weight, and it won't help while moving. Bad for climbing as well. As someone said, it's good for scouting, if you have binoculars. Which you should. Only turkies have left wings. Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

Green Man location: Niagara Escarpment Gender: Male \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 10 on 7/16/2003 12:59 AM >

	Fifty pounds?! Nah I don't think so, ten to twenty yes, but fifty. No way. When you've fallen in the creek and it is completely sopping wet, maybe.

Jester location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight... \| \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 11 on 7/16/2003 1:11 AM >

	and the winner is, closest with not going over the actual weight of this lovely Ghillie suit is....... GreenMan ! http://www.airsoftarms.com/viewproductdetail.php?ProdID=2185 11 pounds... so 10-20 is probably acurate for the majority It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf.

Maverick location: South Carolina \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 12 on 7/16/2003 1:38 AM >

	I used mine quite regularly actually and they dont have to be for people who dont move days at a time. A stalking suit is for movment which is a shortened smaller then a standard guillie suit. It doesnt cover much etc. Many uses. I made mine break away. egos stop learning and if your not learning your dead

reduxzero location: Edmonton, AB Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 13 on 7/16/2003 4:42 AM >

	I actually made a ghille cape, and a ghille suit before I got into UE. I did learn a few things about them, even with the limited use I got out of it. They are incredible camouflage in the bush. Even in a field with a little grass, they're awesome. I had people walk past me, three feet away, in the daytime. As mentioned, at the most they weigh about 10 lbs (it's just cloth and burlap!). But they're hot as hell, and very bulky. Ghillie capes (or shirts) are better, but still bulky. Ghillie hats are cool, and often all you might need. However, I have yet to use my ghillie in a UE capacity. Even if you're doing rural scouting, what's the point of wearing a ghillie? If you're just scouting, you're not doing anything illegal, and shouldn't panic about being seen. On an actual mission, if you plan to do more than belly crawl, a ghillie will just slow you down. Sure, you'll be invisble if you drop in a field, but getting over or under that chainlink fence will be a huge pain. And there's no point wearing one inside a building. I could only ever seen limited use for ghillies in UE, and under specific circumstances. If you want to stay unseen, wear black or camouflage clothing. Watch your movements, stay low and in the shadows. It's all you really need. reduxzero - DrainsofmyCity

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Re: Guillie suits
<Reply # 14 on 7/16/2003 2:23 PM >

Posted by Green Man
Fifty pounds?! Nah I don't think so, ten to twenty yes, but fifty. No way.
When you've fallen in the creek and it is completely sopping wet, maybe.

Yes and no. Ghillie suits have to be stuffed with material from the site. Dead leaves, branches, dirt, etc. Those, when used properly, can weigh up to fifty pounds. Unloaded, they weigh less. Also keep in mind they include a helmet and pants.

Only turkies have left wings.

Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

Green Man location: Niagara Escarpment Gender: Male \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 15 on 7/16/2003 6:51 PM >

	I doubt that there are very many snipers who would ever wear a helmet. Perhaps on the approach to the target, but on the final stalk to the firing point, when they would actually be wearing a ghillie, not very likely. And I think you would have to add a whole heck of a lot of garnish to a ghillie to get it up to fifty pounds. But you are very correct in that they are heavy and bulky (and hot) no matter how you slice it.

Pyrodesiac location: NL, Canada Gender: Male TNT can make a dull day fun! \| \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 16 on 7/16/2003 6:56 PM >

	I know that the ones the Navy SEAL snipers used to use during Vietnam were about fifty. They're probably lighter now, I'm not disputing what you said. I just finished reading a book on the SEALs in 'Nam, or as Maverick would say, I am a Navy SEAL. Only turkies have left wings. Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

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Re: Guillie suits
<Reply # 17 on 7/17/2003 12:06 AM >

Posted by Pyrodesiac
...or as Maverick would say, I am a Navy SEAL.

so true

Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine

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RedXIII location: Westport, New Zealand Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 18 on 9/25/2003 10:19 AM >

	i made a ghillie suit before i got into UE its not the best and theres absolutly no point at all in wearing it at daytime because it makes you stand out more but at night time i can be standing infront of you with it on and unless youve got a torch youll ever think im a tree or something or wont even see me. but when im crawling on the ground the ghillie gets caught under my arms and can be really annoying but for what i was useing it for it was excellent. i reccommend makeing one if your trying to infiltrate something in the forest or scrublands.

The One location: Ontario Gender: Male \|	Re: Guillie suits <Reply # 19 on 10/23/2003 11:13 PM >

	ghillie suits...hmmm....sounds like a topic that we could argue about for days. now, i know that everybody thinks that they know what they're talking about, and i wouldn't be surprized if some actually do...mostly those with experience in constructing suits...here's what i know...or think...you decide. my ghillie suit weighs about 15-17 pounds. i bought it from ghilliesuits.com and hot glued the netting onto a canvas coverall. the kit includes enough material to make two suits actually...second is glued onto a BDU set. i guess that the canvas one is my crawling suit and the BDU is my stalking suit. it weighs in at about 7 lbs. shirt and pants. now, one of you brought up the point that stuff gets cought on the suit...that it does if the netting is loose or you walk through thick brush...but how can you avoid thick brush?...good point. it is a trade off...to use a ghillie suit, you must move slow...practice and build patience. the suit does an incredible job in breaking up the human outline...but piles of grass don't normally move, fidget, scratch themselves, or sneeze. you need not stay perfectly still...but when you go to remove that spider crawling up your pant leg, do it oh so slowly. the suit is not preferable in predominantly urban ops...or in areas lacking flora. the suit will, confuse the eyes of anyone looking your way...if you ate still and blended...another point....add vegitaion to your suit...bunches of it...whatever is common in you AO....that brings me to another point...maybe a jacket with elastic fabric loops is sufficient...buy em at michael's and paint the fabric green, and hot glue (the stuff is amazing)them to your jacket and hat and stick vegitaion into them...for use at night...during the day, call it a hunch, but it may look suspicious. hope i helped, i'll add more when i'm more enightened, leave some feedback for me. hope i don't see you. cheers

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