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Captain Midnight location: Vancouver, British Columbia \|	Confined spaces training < on 11/28/2004 9:28 PM >

	Has anyone ventilated or brought air with them to a location that possibly had bad air or lack of oxygen? How did you do it? the night time is the right time

Bobtheallmighty location: Somewhere over london, Ontario Gender: Male gotta climb. \|	Re: Confined spaces training <Reply # 1 on 11/28/2004 10:19 PM >

	i have never actually been into a confined space that didn't have a good O2 level but i think if i went some where were i might need O2 i would bring a canister of spare air. its like this emergency 10 minute air tank that divers carry. and thay come in many diffrent sizes and can be refilled. what type of space are you planing on going into? [last edit 11/28/2004 10:20 PM by Bobtheallmighty - edited 2 times] -bob " <Samurai> you know, we aren't as far removed from animals as we'd like to think... i still have bowel movements that border on mystical... i mean almost orgasmic"

'Dukes Noble Donor Gender: Male At least someone llikes me \| \|	Re: Confined spaces training <Reply # 2 on 11/28/2004 11:48 PM >

	Are you referring to the actual "certification"? Or did you mean "anyone every bring their own air?" There are several people here that have this cert for work. I think the only explorers doing this are certain mine explorers who encounter "dead air" (at least I think that's the word for it). Because there is no ventilation, they could suddenly be breathing air with no O2, and never realize it until too late. What is that word? Evil air, dark air, something like that. I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying.

Captain Midnight location: Vancouver, British Columbia \|	Re: Confined spaces training <Reply # 3 on 11/29/2004 1:29 AM >

	I know of a 3 story(i think) ww2 military bunker dug into the ground, there is only one entrance and no ventilation that I know of. There is a plaque on the entrance that says "confined spaces trained personnel only...." no danger sign or anything though.. just that. For all I know, it could be totally harmless down there and the plaque is just some over precautionary, safety policy enforcement B.S. but on the other hand..... its always better to be safe than sorry.. or dead. the night time is the right time

'Dukes Noble Donor Gender: Male At least someone llikes me \| \|	Re: Confined spaces training <Reply # 4 on 11/29/2004 1:40 AM >

	Probably just means that you should be certified. I doubt that there is any danger to yourself. I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying.

Fubster location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Gender: Male Though highly intelligent, guide dogs cannot interpret street signs. \| \| \|	Re: Confined spaces training <Reply # 5 on 11/29/2004 1:42 AM >

	Be careful! If you start to feel uncomfortable, or even tired, get out. Sometimes, you need to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who it is you're talking to. Then, on your way out, slam the door.

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Re: Confined spaces training
<Reply # 6 on 11/29/2004 3:13 AM >

Posted by mutagen_fiend
"confined spaces trained personnel only...."

My understanding is that these signs only apply to people who would enter these confined spaces as part of their job.

Example: Where I work, we have a number of spaces that are considered by OSHA to be "permit-required confined spaces". This means that none of us are allowed to enter unless we're OSHA certified, we fill out an entry permit, and we abide by all applicable OSHA regulations. However, if an urban explorer was to infiltrate one of these confined spaces, there's nothing OSHA could do. What I'm saying is, these signs don't apply to us.

This isn't to say there isn't bad air down there though.

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Re: Confined spaces training
<Reply # 7 on 11/29/2004 3:38 AM >

Posted by 'Dukes
Probably just means that you should be certified. I doubt that there is any danger to yourself.

the reason your supposed to be certified is because there could be danger that a normal person woudl'nt notice untill it was to late, and due to the nature of the confined space could not get out in time.

-bob
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Re: Confined spaces training
<Reply # 8 on 11/29/2004 4:26 AM >

Posted by bobtheallmighty

the reason your supposed to be certified is because there could be danger that a normal person woudl'nt notice untill it was to late, and due to the nature of the confined space could not get out in time.

Negative; usually you must be certified because your job requires it.

I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying.

Bizurke

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Re: Confined spaces training
<Reply # 9 on 11/29/2004 6:11 PM >

Posted by 'Dukes

Negative; usually you must be certified because your job requires it.

The reason your job requires it is because of the neccesity for the safety of a worker that could be in a situation that would put such knowledge into play, such as a confined space with "no air" etc. OSHA Regs aren't there just to bother people, though sometimes it seems that way, they are there for the safety of the worker and I am very glad they are in place. I have used things I've learned from OSHA while exploring without even realizing I am doing it at the time.

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Re: Confined spaces training
<Reply # 10 on 11/30/2004 1:29 AM >

Posted by Bizurke

The reason your job requires it is because of the neccesity for the safety of a worker that could be in a situation that would put such knowledge into play, such as a confined space with "no air" etc. OSHA Regs aren't there just to bother people, though sometimes it seems that way, they are there for the safety of the worker and I am very glad they are in place. I have used things I've learned from OSHA while exploring without even realizing I am doing it at the time.

Like I said, because your job requires it. What part of that is not clear?

I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying.

Skipjack location: Orange County Gender: Male \|	Re: Confined spaces training <Reply # 11 on 11/30/2004 8:44 PM >

	Bring air. The whole "If you feel strange, get out" mode doesn't cut it. By the time you start feeling odd, you could be finished. Keep in mind the problem isn't so much lack of oxygen as it is presence of other gas. Most harmful gases weigh more than oxygen; hence, they'll "pool up" in underground locations. During my Navy stint, we opened many compartments - compartments which were secured by 30 bolts - not an easy task. We never ventilated a space, just used the pump/air mask bit. Think of it this way - blood carries oxygen around. Well, oxygen molecules "fit" to blood cells (red) much akin to the way a pizza fits in a pizza box. Certain gasses are pizza-shaped. If one gets in the box, the pizza doesn't get delivered. Other gases may be toxic, but again, they don't cut out the oxygen like carbon monoxide. You could have 21% oxygen in the air, and still die of carbon monoxide poisoning. Bad analogy, the pizza one - sorry. Cheers, Skip You did WHAT again?

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Re: Confined spaces training
<Reply # 12 on 12/2/2004 1:17 PM >

Posted by Skipjack
Bring air. The whole "If you feel strange, get out" mode doesn't cut it. By the time you start feeling odd, you could be finished.

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Re: Confined spaces training
<Reply # 13 on 12/3/2004 1:37 AM >

Posted by 'Dukes
Are you referring to the actual "certification"?
Or did you mean "anyone every bring their own air?"
There are several people here that have this cert for work.
I think the only explorers doing this are certain mine explorers who encounter "dead air" (at least I think that's the word for it). Because there is no ventilation, they could suddenly be breathing air with no O2, and never realize it until too late.
What is that word? Evil air, dark air, something like that.

That is a quasi-phobia of mine. From what I heard, it just comes out of nowhere. First, you feel a little bit tired, so you sit down, end up (waht feels like) drifting off to sleep and next thing ya know, you've suffocated to death.

Someone hold me.

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Skaught location: Calgary Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Confined spaces training <Reply # 14 on 12/3/2004 5:53 AM >

	I have the actual certification. I was going to be doing some engineering work in the oilfield and took the course. If you ever come to Calgary then email Satan@uea.ca and you'll be made welcome, taken to locations and given free accommodation. We'll help save you the $$$ you spend on the flight over here :)

Captain Midnight location: Vancouver, British Columbia \|	Re: Confined spaces training <Reply # 15 on 12/3/2004 6:44 PM >

	So maybe I'll just forget about that exploration for a while then... The danger factor usually adds excitement. But usually any risks taken while exploring are calculated. That is I can see coming, react to and deal with it because I can predict any consequence. None of this silent, odorless, slowly suffocating you till you DIE and you don't know what hit you till its too late cause your DEAD crap. The "Spare Air" sounds like a really good idea though http://www.spareair.com the night time is the right time

Bobtheallmighty location: Somewhere over london, Ontario Gender: Male gotta climb. \|	Re: Confined spaces training <Reply # 16 on 12/4/2004 8:24 PM >

	the spare air is a good choice. but its not meant to give you acontinuos supply of O2. its more of an "im starting to feel funny im gonna strap this on and get the hell out" kinda thing. -bob " <Samurai> you know, we aren't as far removed from animals as we'd like to think... i still have bowel movements that border on mystical... i mean almost orgasmic"

NYMartian location: Rockland County Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Confined spaces training <Reply # 17 on 1/23/2005 12:27 AM >

	When I go into confined spaces, I either ventilate them, or use a gas meter that will tell me the atmosphere is becoming unsafe before it becomes immedietly dangerous. It is a great way to go in places like storm drains where there may be a lack of oxygen, or buildup of explosive vapors. Only once have I encountered a life threatening condition though. The atmosphere was explosive. One spark, and it would have made a huge bang. Trouble is a good meter costs in excess of $1500. Another thing to remember is that if someone in the confined space starts acting strange, and slurring speech, etc, get them the hell out.

mox25 Noble Donor location: Austin, tx Gender: Male Picture of my cat \| \|	Re: Confined spaces training <Reply # 18 on 1/26/2005 12:25 AM >

	If you need clean air when you’re in an area that has none. You might want to look into a pony tank, I use to have one for when I scuba dived. It will allow you and your buddy to have breathable clean area for a short period of time. But your looking at a piece of equipment that is going to set you back $100. But if that’s what you need get it. Space for rent

Subav This member has been banned. location: Colorado Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Confined spaces training <Reply # 19 on 1/26/2005 6:44 PM >

	Some O2 tanks are meant to supply you with oxygen continuously, but from what I hear they are rather heavy. My father's a conductor and has to wear one when he's walking the train in the Moffet Tunnel. It has to supply oxygen continuously because of the four locomotives pumping out exhaust in a confined space. I'm sure they're rather expensive, though.

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