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 |  | 15 Feet up the tough way. (pt. 2)
< on 8/25/2004 10:45 PM >
|  | | | Okay, I'm gonna need some insight from all you famous UERS. I read the first "15 feet up the easy way" post, but this wall is a little tricky. Most of you have been there, to this wall I mean. But they fixed it all up and the ladder is now gone. So! heres the deal. There is me, and 4 other friends. I am the most agile and most capable of getting onto this 15 foot roof. So. We are going to get me up there and then drop THIS ladder.
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okay anyways, i'm gonna attatch that to the ledge(wich I'm pretty sure there is) or ill bring extra rope and I'll tie it there. and we will all climb up and violah... were in. anyways. I've heard of the human ladder, wich was talked about in the other thread. but thats a little sketchy, and the wooden 2x4 against the wall takign a running start is a little rough simply because getting supplies to this wall is not a walk in the park. Anyways, Any (and i mean any, doesnt matter how far fetched) suggestions or comments or anything please reply to this post. thank you in advance
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| | Re: 15 Feet up the tough way. (pt. 2)
<Reply # 1 on 8/25/2004 11:47 PM >
| | | | Outlandish but workable idea. If you want Details PM me and I'll give you all the knots and everything.
I practiced a little tirck a long long time ago. We decided not to use it due to the lack of necesity. However we made some swiss seats and a 3 to 1 Z drag. Esentially it was a fast way to hoist people up. Run over clip on guy yanks and presto the guy is nearly launched up.
Hypothetically if you could get up there then you can set this up. This also will give you minime exsposure and the rope shouldnt be easily noticed.
You would need 3-4 times the hight of the wall. Probably 4 so you have tie off slack.
Swiss seat rope
a pulley or two from a local hardware store
and two spots to tie off to.
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| | Re: 15 Feet up the tough way. (pt. 2)
<Reply # 2 on 8/25/2004 11:59 PM >
| | | | Just as long as you dont cut, remove, or damage ANYTHING on the way into the courtyard. Because if you do, Toronto Works will notice, and increase the security measures there even MORE. And that's the last thing we need.
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Duke
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| | Re: 15 Feet up the tough way. (pt. 2)
<Reply # 3 on 8/31/2004 12:00 AM >
| | | | You may find when you get up there that there's no secure ledge on which to mount that little mofo. make sure you have a nice sturdy length of rope and when you're there find something to affix it to if you can't use the ladder. The roof is about 15 feet up, so unless you're UEing with a team of midgets the human ladder is probably your best option to get yourself up there. if you're the most agile, it's probably safe to assume you're the lightest, or one of the lightest. Find out who's the least agil, tallest and strongest. take off your shoes if you wanna be polite, have him crouch in front of the wall, and step on his shoulders. It doesn't take a tank to stand up with someone standing on your shoulders so this shouldn't be nearly as hard as it sounds. now your combined height should leave enough room to reach up and hook that ladder on the ledge if there is one.
now let's say you guys are still too short. Stand the dude on some cement blocks or anything you can find nearby. if that's no possible, hopefully you have two more people. here's where the human ladder gets a little rougher, because it turns into a pyramid. two people kneel in front of the wall, then tall dude plants a foot on either back and you proceed as mentioned above. again, the weight distributed across two people's backs should NOT be that difficult, and if you have trouble finding volunteers, just call them a wussy untill they give in. Remember that you'll only be on his shoulders for the time it takes to grab the ledge and pull yourself up anyway.
Now when all else fails, there's always the art of Parkour, but that another thread altogether : P
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| | Re: 15 Feet up the tough way. (pt. 2)
<Reply # 4 on 8/31/2004 1:29 PM >
| | | | Swiss seats can be kick-ass, if you know how to do them correctly. I remember last year I had to cross a lake (at a training I was at), and we made swiss seats... some kids didn't pay attention to the instructor when he was explaining how to make them, therefore, some kids fell in (it was a funny sight). Er, I'm rambling. Anyways, here is the proper way to tying a swiss seat (and also usingit):
Courtesy http://www.ci.lincoln.ne.us
Because of the friction heat build up in the carabiner and braking hand when rappelling, it is imperative that leather gloves, with liners, be worn. The use of cloth gloves can cause burns to the hands. Leather gloves are included in the high level rescue kit.
To tie the rappelling (Swiss) seat:
1. Place the webbing across the small of the back, the center of its length on the hip opposite the braking hand.
2. Overhand knots are tied below the belt buckle.
3. The ends are brought between the legs, front to rear.
4. Around legs and positioned over the hips.
5. Each end is brought under the webbing forming the overhand knot to form a half-hitch around it on each hip.
6. The ends are then tied together with a square knot and half-hitch safeties on the hip opposite the braking hand. The seat must fit snug to the body. A carabiner is placed through the single webbing, and the two webbing straps forming the overhand knot.
The carabiner is inserted with the gate (hinge) down, opening towards the body; then rotated one half turn, so the gate is up and opens away from the body. Pull upwards on the carabiner to insure adjustment of the seat in the groin.
To execute rappel, straddle the window putting the rope with brake hand towards descent point. Place the rope in your carabiner; make two round turns around carabiner from portion of the rope between anchor and your body; lock gate of carabiner; give warning "ON BELAY" to the anchor firefighter and proceed to rappelling point.
The rope is held with the brake hand; guide hand on rope in front of carabiner. Take up slack in rope, swing your legs over the window sill or the wall edge. Move the break hand to the center of your back at waist level, palm down. After exiting the window push out from the building, keep your legs straight, feet shoulders width apart. Allow the rope to move through the carabiner stepping down as the rope permits. Use guide hand for balance only. Brake by closing fist of brake hand and by pressing the rope against body. For a faster descent, open fist slightly, lean back, and walk down side of building.
The rappeller may assume a stationary position by braking to a stop, reach behind with guide hand grasping the rope from brake hand bringing the rope under both buttocks to above carabiner and holding the two ropes together with both hands forming a loop or seat under buttocks. If for any reason it is necessary to have both hands free, hold the ropes together with one hand and tie two half-hitches with the other, above the hand locking the ropes together. Before releasing hands, grasp brake rope with one hand to hold at hip to secure yourself, until knot is checked for safety and that knot is secured.
To start rappel from this position, untie the two half-hitches with guide hand while locking the ropes together with brake hand, grasp standing part of rope with guide hand, thumb up, bring rope out from body, waist level, elbow slightly crooked. With the other hand above carabiner turn slightly towards the hand that is now the brake hand and continue descent.
To change braking hand, brake to a stop, reach behind with guide hand, bring rope out of side of body, waist level, elbow bent slightly, turn towards hand which is now brake hand, reach above carabiner with other hand and continue descent. To again change brake hand, reverse procedure as stated above.
When descent is complete to lower level or ground give "OFF BELAY", so others may begin their rappel.
7. When looking down, always look down over shoulder of brake hand.
8. When descending past an opening such as a window, angle descent and continue walking, DO NOT BOUNCE AND SLIDE.
9. If the rappeller loses control of descent, the anchor firefighter can slow or stop descent by pulling down on the rope. This holds the rappeller until control can be attained or by releasing slack on the downward pull, this will let the rappeller safely down.
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| |  |  |  | Re: 15 Feet up the tough way. (pt. 2)
<Reply # 5 on 9/11/2004 6:57 AM >
| | | | to add onto what duke was saying, it might not be a bad idea to find a sheet of plywood to put on each of the kneelers backs (i'm assuming that by kneel you mean "reseptive doggy-style position") not only would it more evenly distrobute the weight amongs their backs, but it would create a more stable platform
------- <-top of the wall
P <-YOU
P <-dude who's shoulders your standing on
------- <-sheet of PLYWOOD
P P <-doggy-style positioned people
------- <-the ground
^^that looks so much better with all the spacing, but i think you get the idea
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| | | Re: 15 Feet up the tough way. (pt. 2)
<Reply # 6 on 9/12/2004 7:38 AM >
| | | | Climbing up people is the easiest way. Second easiest is some kind of grappling hook with rope, or something of the sort. If you are in the woods or no one will see, try leaning scrap wood against the wall and using that to climb up.
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| |  | Re: 15 Feet up the tough way. (pt. 2)
<Reply # 7 on 9/16/2004 8:44 PM >
|  | | | If you use any type of human ladder please, PLEASE take a couple pics for our viewing pleasure, and if need-be, insurance purposes  . Home Depot also sells those window fire escape ladders.
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| | | Re: 15 Feet up the tough way. (pt. 2)
<Reply # 8 on 9/16/2004 9:34 PM >
| | | | I did a human ladder to get up a wall probably a bit under twelve feet. That was fun... no pictures of me on the wall, but i have that i need to resize, so I'll post them later.
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| | Re: 15 Feet up the tough way. (pt. 2)
<Reply # 9 on 9/17/2004 12:41 AM >
| | | | with three peeople I'm sure you could push a dude up a wall. kneel, and a person on either side supports one foot with both arms and pushes them up to the top of the wall.
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