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Re: 721 Communications Squadron, Bunker, Colchester County
<Reply # 20 on 9/4/2012 6:26 PM >
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This is in response to your posts on the Infiltration web site. Where were you on Nov 22, 1963? That was the day that John Fitzgerald Kennedy the 35th president of the United States was killed in Dallas Texas. Most people who witnessed this event remember where they were. I do, I was some two hundred feet in the air at the Great Village radio relay site attaching guy wires to the C.B.C’s remote transmitting antenna the frequency in use at the time was 1050 KHZ which requires an antenna height of 223 feet for a quarter wave length match it was a bottom feed antenna which was accomplished with a 75 to 300 ohm balun coil the ground provided the other half wave of the antenna radiation pattern. The C.B.C. transmitter at Great Village was to be used as a back up to the transmitter already in use at the Radio Canada International shortwave site at Sackville New Brunswick it was to carry the CBA, CBH, network in Atlantic Canada incase the Sackville site was blown to pieces. But before I go forward, I want to take you back. I was in the Royal Canadian Signal Corps which was then a unit of the Canadian Army. I joined the Army in 1959 did my basic training , then graduated from the school of Signals in Kingston Ontario after taking a 2 year course in Radio Equipment Technician . I was posted first to Camp Gagetown New Brunswick, then on to what was known as the Nova Scotia Signals Squadron in Halifax, now it is called 726 Comm Squadron. Our base was at Windsor Park just off Bayers Road and Windsor Streets. At that time Eastern Command head quarters (Army) was on Ahern Avenue the Eastern Command teletype and comm. Center was situated in that location. The squadron operated and maintained a microwave radio system that was situated on Citadel Hill. The Citadel Hill radio system was beamed to the transmit and receive facilities at Hammonds Plains and Wallace Hill. The Hammonds Plains receiver site had a large antenna array covering some 40-50 acres, as well the Wallace Hill transmitter site up the road contained a large antenna array as well. It was dominated by a U.K. rhombic antenna which was beamed to a Royal Signals station in Boddington England, a rhombic antenna is a large four sided antenna that can be fed at each end or in the center so that it is directional it is in the shape of a diamond with each leg being several hundred feet depending upon the frequency that it is being used for this was to back up the land line communications to the Army Brigade in Germany. The main medium of transmission at the time was radio teletype, some Morse code, and some facsimile the call sign of the Wallace Hill transmitter site was C.I.H., the main transmitters were made by Federal electric which were capable of the 50kw output running a exciter, an Intermediate power amplifier as well as a final power amplifier These facilities were closed out after the Debert Provincial warning center or Deifenbunker became operational, the Hammonds Plains receive building has been converted into a house behind what looks like a sawmill operation, across the road is the Pin High mini putt golf site, it was there back in the’60 it is still there. The Wallace Hill transmitter station has been leveled there is nothing there but vacant ground, I am told that one of the Indian bands has laid claim to the land and has plans to build housing and a possible casino on that land.
My job in Debert (along with many others of course)was the setting up of the Masstown remote receive antenna array, the installation and set up of the remote transmitter site at Great Village, both fed into the Provincial Warning Center at Camp Debert. The two sites were connected by a utility tunnel or utility corridor one from Masstown to Debert, one from Great Village to Debert, they were about 4 feet high and contained interconnecting power cables so that one site could provide power to the other in case of emergency the cables were 500M.C.M. cables capable of carrying up to 600 amps of power. The tunnels also contained keying lines for the remote transmitters, patch panels for circuit testing and had access hatches at roughly 1500 yard distances.
The transmitter site in Great Village operated under the call sign of V.D.D. which was the object of many jokes as venereal disease was rampant at the time. The equipment that was installed by our group was mainly Collins Rockwell single side band radio equipment the power levels were variable from 10KW to 100KW, they were military designated with the prefix of AN/ARC. The C.B.C transmitter at the time was a amplitude modulated 1.050KHZ with an output power of 25KW, it was made by the Harris Radio Corp which was a common make back then.

When I left after the system went into operation, Debert underground was a large hub in the Canadian Forces, N.A.T.O. scheme of things. Couple that with the Folly Lake Satellite Ground Terminal, which you mistakenly point out as a radar station on your map, Masstown, Debert, and Great Village were critical in the communications schemes. Over time though just as Hammonds Plains, and Wallace Hill lost their importance to changing times so it was with the Debert Deifenbunker, however the Masstown receiver site and the Great Village transmitter site are still required to provide global diverse communications as required. Latest technology with hybrids filters and quaduplexers allow transmit antennas to double as receive antennas, and with a receive site already in place in Masstown you can achieve frequency, space, polarity, and equipment diversity, in short you have the best of all worlds already in place, already brought and paid for. All that has to be done is to upgrade your equipment and I have no doubt that has been done many times since the sixties. Today my guess is that the Great Village transmitter site is used and operated from the H.M.C.S. Trinity at Stadacona Naval base. These transmitters no doubt form part of the ALE network which is the Automatic Link Establishment system, where an operator in a remote location can tune, condition, feed, and terminate a transmitter or receiver with a few keyboard clicks select any one of 250 thousand channels available in the frequency band of 2-30 mhz. That is a far cry from the day that in order to provide a transmitter on any requested channel, you have to find the proper crystal for that frequency, tune the oscillators, run up the power amplifiers into a dummy load, check the frequency before switching it on to the antenna feeders, then walk the lineup with a fluorescent tube to be sure that you are connected to the proper antenna . It is also mentioned about secret communications being sent from Great Village, my experience with the military was that everything was secret or encoded, however the vast majority of radio traffic was logistical and administrative and it was encoded cryptically , either in five number groups or five letter groups I have no reason to believe that anything is any different today. I hope this sheds some light on the matter. I had a great time when I was in the Army, I really enjoyed the people in the surrounding area they were some of the most gracious and generous persons that I have or will ever meet, I have been back many times but as the passage of time rolls on many have moved away, or passed away. It set the stage for my latter work on the DEW line and the Pinetree line in the Arctic and the Labrador coast, these installations and the thousands of jobs that they created are all gone now, all the facilities are automated, I am glad that I got out when I did, but I still have fond memories of when technicians not key board people were needed, you cannot compare a hands on job with a software program, and feel that you are achieving anything concrete but I guess that is progress.- Cheers Radiohead.


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Re: 721 Communications Squadron, Bunker, Colchester County
<Reply # 21 on 9/4/2012 7:10 PM >
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Radiohead,

You Sir, are my official Badass of the Day.

A man of mystery, you join the forum and post but one reply. You cut through all the chatter and speculation and provide first hand knowledge.

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Re: 721 Communications Squadron, Bunker, Colchester County
<Reply # 22 on 9/4/2012 9:20 PM >
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Just some more info along the lines of the operation of the Great Village transmit site, thanks for the recognition it was a project that is still near and dear to my heart,it skips a beat everytime I drive by, I am tempted to go in as the radio logs if they are still on site would contain daily information test results and the name and rank of the crews who performed the work.I completed many of those logs both at Great Village, Debert, and Masstown.

**Canada
========

*Canadian Forces (CanForce)
===========================
Military Aeronautical Communications System (MACS)
==================================================
3047.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, Halifax, Trenton
3092.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
4379.0 CanForce Discrete: Halifax
4560.0 Maritime Command Net: Halifax, St John's (A6A)
4703.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
4739.0 AAR Net: Halifax, St John's
5198.5 Maritime Command Net: Halifax (A2
5684.0 St John's, Vancouver
5699.0 CanForce Discrete (Pipeline/Gonzo aircraft)
5702.0 Vancouver
5715.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
5717.0 SAR Net: Halifax, St. John's. Trenton, Vancouver-Pri
5850.0 Halifax Maritime Air Group (D1
6694.0 Halifax, Vancouver (D6G)
6706.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
6712.0 CanForce Discrete (Pipeline/Gonzo aircraft)
6715.0 SAR Net: Halifax, Trenton, Vancouver (D3H)
6745.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, Trenton
6751.0 Halifax, Vancouver, SIDECAR (NORAD)
6754.0 MACS VOLMET: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
8050.0 CanForce Discrete:VDD Great Village(poss CanForce ALE activity here)
8989.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, Trenton (Initial contact freq when
aircraft is west of 90 deg west)(D1H)
8992.0 CanForce Discrete: Trenton
9007.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton (Initial contact
freq when aircraft is east of 90 deg west)
9010.0 CanForce Discrete: Vancouver
9023.0 NORAD: Trenton (C5)
9031.0 CanForce Discrete (Pipeline/Gonzo aircraft)
10194.0 CanForce Discrete: Trenton (US/Canadian Ground/AWACS
Discrete)
11007.5 CanForce Discrete: Trenton (US/Canadian Ground/AWACS
Discrete)
11190.0 CanForce Discrete (Pipeline/Gonzo aircraft)
11205.0 CanForce Discrete: Halifax working VDD, “Great Village”
11214.0 NORAD: Trenton (NORAD/MACS discrete- C6)
11232.0 MACS Net: Alert, Edmonton, Halifax, St, John's,
Trenton,Yellowknife(Initial contact freq when aircraft is east of
90 deg west)
11265.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, Trenton
11271.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, Trenton (Initial contact freq when
aircraft is west of 90 deg west)
11314.0 CanForce Discrete: Trenton
13206.0 CanForce Discrete: Trenton
13257.0 Foxtrot MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
14364.0 CanForce Discrete: Trenton (US/Canadian Ground/AWACS
Discrete)
15031.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
15034.0 MACS VOLMET: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
17994.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
18012.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
18027.0 NORAD: Halifax, Edmonton (C8)
23250.0 MACS Net: Trenton
23271.0 CanForce Discrete: Trenton (US/Canadian Ground/AWACS
Discrete)

Note: Frequency designators indicated above have not been reported in
quite some time. More than likely CANFORCE has dropped the use of
frequency designators. Other observations are welcomed.

Digital Communications
======================
CFH RTTY: 4271.0

CFH Halifax Military, NS (supports SAR coordination requirements for
Halifax Rescue Coordination Center-RCC)
CHR Trenton Military, ON
CJU Vancouver Military, BC (supports SAR coordination requirements for
the Victoria Rescue Coordination Center-RCC)
CJX St. John's Military, NF
CKN Vancouver Military, BC
VXA Edmonton Military, AB

*Canadian Military Communications
=================================
ALE Network
Frequencies: 6925.0 6980.0 7600.0 8050.0 10000.0 11402.0 11605.0
12185.0
Stations:
VDE
VDD “Great Village”

*Canadian Forces/NORAD Charlie Designators
===================================
Note: other than those listed above
4721.0 C1
6735.0 C2
6750.0 C3
8967.0 or 8968.0 C4
13206.0 or 13207.0 C7

*Canadian Forces Affiliate Radio System (CFARS)
===============================================
CFARS is the Canadian Forces Affiliate Radio System which is equivalent
to the United States Military Affiliate Radio System (MARS) program.
CFARS stations are located at various United Nations peace-keeping
operations around the world and operate amateur radio equipment that
provides phonepatches for service personnel to their families. They are
also to be found on Navy and Coast Guard ships.

6978.5 Alpha
14386.0 Bravo
14460.0 Charlie
14463.0 Delta
14446.5 Echo
20971.5 Foxtrot


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Re: 721 Communications Squadron, Bunker, Colchester County
<Reply # 23 on 9/4/2012 9:21 PM >
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Just some more info along the lines of the operation of the Great Village transmit site, thanks for the recognition it was a project that is still near and dear to my heart,it skips a beat everytime I drive by, I am tempted to go in as the radio logs if they are still on site would contain daily information test results and the name and rank of the crews who performed the work.I completed many of those logs both at Great Village, Debert, and Masstown.

**Canada
========

*Canadian Forces (CanForce)
===========================
Military Aeronautical Communications System (MACS)
==================================================
3047.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, Halifax, Trenton
3092.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
4379.0 CanForce Discrete: Halifax
4560.0 Maritime Command Net: Halifax, St John's (A6A)
4703.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
4739.0 AAR Net: Halifax, St John's
5198.5 Maritime Command Net: Halifax (A2
5684.0 St John's, Vancouver
5699.0 CanForce Discrete (Pipeline/Gonzo aircraft)
5702.0 Vancouver
5715.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
5717.0 SAR Net: Halifax, St. John's. Trenton, Vancouver-Pri
5850.0 Halifax Maritime Air Group (D1
6694.0 Halifax, Vancouver (D6G)
6706.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
6712.0 CanForce Discrete (Pipeline/Gonzo aircraft)
6715.0 SAR Net: Halifax, Trenton, Vancouver (D3H)
6745.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, Trenton
6751.0 Halifax, Vancouver, SIDECAR (NORAD)
6754.0 MACS VOLMET: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
8050.0 CanForce Discrete:VDD Great Village(poss CanForce ALE activity here)
8989.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, Trenton (Initial contact freq when
aircraft is west of 90 deg west)(D1H)
8992.0 CanForce Discrete: Trenton
9007.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton (Initial contact
freq when aircraft is east of 90 deg west)
9010.0 CanForce Discrete: Vancouver
9023.0 NORAD: Trenton (C5)
9031.0 CanForce Discrete (Pipeline/Gonzo aircraft)
10194.0 CanForce Discrete: Trenton (US/Canadian Ground/AWACS
Discrete)
11007.5 CanForce Discrete: Trenton (US/Canadian Ground/AWACS
Discrete)
11190.0 CanForce Discrete (Pipeline/Gonzo aircraft)
11205.0 CanForce Discrete: Halifax working VDD, “Great Village”
11214.0 NORAD: Trenton (NORAD/MACS discrete- C6)
11232.0 MACS Net: Alert, Edmonton, Halifax, St, John's,
Trenton,Yellowknife(Initial contact freq when aircraft is east of
90 deg west)
11265.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, Trenton
11271.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, Trenton (Initial contact freq when
aircraft is west of 90 deg west)
11314.0 CanForce Discrete: Trenton
13206.0 CanForce Discrete: Trenton
13257.0 Foxtrot MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
14364.0 CanForce Discrete: Trenton (US/Canadian Ground/AWACS
Discrete)
15031.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
15034.0 MACS VOLMET: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
17994.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
18012.0 MACS Net: Edmonton, St. John's, Trenton
18027.0 NORAD: Halifax, Edmonton (C8)
23250.0 MACS Net: Trenton
23271.0 CanForce Discrete: Trenton (US/Canadian Ground/AWACS
Discrete)

Note: Frequency designators indicated above have not been reported in
quite some time. More than likely CANFORCE has dropped the use of
frequency designators. Other observations are welcomed.

Digital Communications
======================
CFH RTTY: 4271.0

CFH Halifax Military, NS (supports SAR coordination requirements for
Halifax Rescue Coordination Center-RCC)
CHR Trenton Military, ON
CJU Vancouver Military, BC (supports SAR coordination requirements for
the Victoria Rescue Coordination Center-RCC)
CJX St. John's Military, NF
CKN Vancouver Military, BC
VXA Edmonton Military, AB

*Canadian Military Communications
=================================
ALE Network
Frequencies: 6925.0 6980.0 7600.0 8050.0 10000.0 11402.0 11605.0
12185.0
Stations:
VDE
VDD “Great Village”

*Canadian Forces/NORAD Charlie Designators
===================================
Note: other than those listed above
4721.0 C1
6735.0 C2
6750.0 C3
8967.0 or 8968.0 C4
13206.0 or 13207.0 C7

*Canadian Forces Affiliate Radio System (CFARS)
===============================================
CFARS is the Canadian Forces Affiliate Radio System which is equivalent
to the United States Military Affiliate Radio System (MARS) program.
CFARS stations are located at various United Nations peace-keeping
operations around the world and operate amateur radio equipment that
provides phonepatches for service personnel to their families. They are
also to be found on Navy and Coast Guard ships.

6978.5 Alpha
14386.0 Bravo
14460.0 Charlie
14463.0 Delta
14446.5 Echo
20971.5 Foxtrot


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Re: 721 Communications Squadron, Bunker, Colchester County
<Reply # 24 on 9/8/2012 1:43 AM >
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Thank you for sharing your personal knowledge & experiences at the sites, Radiohead.

However, I kinda hate it when someone takes information from the Internet & posts it verbatim without identifying the original source. That's what you did with all the freq info: http://www.wunclub....ru/files/mla.html

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Re: 721 Communications Squadron, Bunker, Colchester County
<Reply # 25 on 9/8/2012 4:42 PM >
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UR right the following should have been added it was on my original word documant but for some reason it was not sent, my apologies

Thanks to the Northern Alberta Radio Club (http://narc.net) for the above
information.

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Re: 721 Communications Squadron, Bunker, Colchester County
<Reply # 26 on 1/11/2013 12:05 AM >
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journals.hil.unb.ca/index.php/MCR/article/download/17956/19231

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