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Gunner Trees This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: MSP Gender: Male
DISCRETION IS A CHOICE
| | Re: silica <Reply # 20 on 2/27/2012 10:16 PM >
| | | Posted by MrSivalls
Sunlight, laser pointer. This isn't a gas, and I was afraid I would have to point this out. You'd have a fit in TX dust storm. Exploring IS NOT an industrial occupation and exposure is limited at best. The GREATEST hazards an explorer faces are falls, eye injuries, and exposures to caustics. I have a respirator, and particles filters, but it's for work not play time.
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Again, STAY ASLEEP. I mean caustics? How often do you find caustics while exploring?
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mANVIL
Gender: Male
| | Re: silica <Reply # 21 on 2/27/2012 10:20 PM >
| | | I'm one of the few people on this forum I know who wears a mask for non-fashion reasons. I exercise regularly, don't smoke, yet started to develop asthma after years of regularly exploring and photographing industrial sites. The fact that half-masks (don't block your vision) with fine particulate filters are cheap and available in every single hardware store in the country makes it a pretty easy decision. You really have nothing to lose (except maybe $25) for something which has the potential to add years to the health of your lungs. Even if it's not going to result in me living longer, it's worth it's weight in gold if it keeps me from staying up all night coughing the days after a long explore.
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MrSivalls This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
I'll be a-surfin' in yer blood on Saturday night
| | Re: silica <Reply # 22 on 2/27/2012 11:21 PM >
| | | Posted by 5alive MrSivalls how many sand mines have you been in? We go in sand mines, sandstone caves, and sandstone tunnels daily. We spend countless hours hand tool digging into new caverns and systems. We are usually so far deep into a system that fresh air is just non-existent. There is no way our exposure can be compared to anything that happens above ground, I'm sorry but there is just no way. Also you are underestimating the amount of time some of us put in down in the sand. For some of us this goes way beyond a hobby, it's a lifestyle, it's something we do every single day.
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Agree, that's when you do use them. Where you have hours of exposure and/or repeat exposures they became necessity. Very few explorers do this.
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Gunner Trees This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: MSP Gender: Male
DISCRETION IS A CHOICE
| | Re: silica <Reply # 23 on 2/27/2012 11:30 PM >
| | | Posted by MrSivalls
Agree, that's when you do use them. Where you have hours of exposure and/or repeat exposures they became necessity. Very few explorers do this.
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You are so clueless. And I'm pretty sure your about 16 years old too.
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MrSivalls This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
I'll be a-surfin' in yer blood on Saturday night
| | Re: silica <Reply # 24 on 2/28/2012 3:06 PM >
| | | If you are somewhere were dust is present like silica, breathe through your nose, never your mouth. That helps. If your nose gets clogged, there's way too much dust, get out, and don't go back without the proper gear. Silica exposure is nothing new to mammals, we've evolved to be able to deal with a certain level of exposure(s) with little or minimum harm. http://www.earthfa...rticlesatmosphere/ If you chest hurts after an exposure, you've definitely done damage. Don't smoke and let it heal for at least a week. Don't repeat that mistake. Use common sense. http://en.wikipedi...iki/Dust_pneumonia
[last edit 2/28/2012 3:19 PM by MrSivalls - edited 3 times]
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5alive
Location: beat up truck camper down by the river Gender: Male
| | | Re: silica <Reply # 25 on 2/28/2012 6:51 PM >
| | | Posted by MrSivalls
Unlike you, I actually do know a lot about this. We have bad sandstorms in W TX. Silica, the real fine dust is everywhere. Does anyone here wear respirators to go outside? Very few, mostly those working around caliche in the oil fields all day long. http://i.imwx.com/...101811-600x405.jpg
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You are comparing something that happens outside in the atmosphere to something that happens underground in a confined space. We kick up crazy amounts of sand while digging in crawl sized tunnels and it simply doesn't have anywhere to go. We have a lot of action going on right now in MSP. I am not 100% sure why the OP posted this but my thought was that he was trying to educate some of the newer guys who are showing up at dig sites and pitching in. Then you come on here and downplay his warning like its nothing to be concerned about. It really is something to be concerned about or at least aware of. If you have not seen the conditions first hand its not something you should be chiming in about. [last edit 2/28/2012 6:54 PM by 5alive - edited 2 times]
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NotBatman
Location: MSP Gender: Male
Secret Cult Member
| | Re: silica <Reply # 26 on 2/28/2012 7:35 PM >
| | | Posted by arntzville You sound dumber and dumber with every successive post you make.
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This. MrSyphilis, your experience is different. I think we're all willing to agree that you know about your business. That's fine. Whatever. But the fact is, you clearly don't know about MSP and what we're rocking. Come work for an hour in one of our digs and then offer all the tips and expertise you like. Until then, we're talking about very different things and everyone just has to accept that.
I'm a "Leave only footprints, take only pornography" kind of guy, myself. |
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MrSivalls This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
I'll be a-surfin' in yer blood on Saturday night
| | Re: silica <Reply # 27 on 2/28/2012 8:03 PM >
| | | Posted by 5alive
You are comparing something that happens outside in the atmosphere to something that happens underground in a confined space. We kick up crazy amounts of sand while digging in crawl sized tunnels and it simply doesn't have anywhere to go. We have a lot of action going on right now in MSP. I am not 100% sure why the OP posted this but my thought was that he was trying to educate some of the newer guys who are showing up at dig sites and pitching in. Then you come on here and downplay his warning like its nothing to be concerned about. It really is something to be concerned about or at least aware of. If you have not seen the conditions first hand its not something you should be chiming in about.
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I've worked in confined spaces with silica, , not grit, blasting, I wear a SCBA or a respirator when doing so, always. My point is a limited exposure or two, or twenty isn't going harm you. In conditions like you're describing I'd want an air fed respirator, and a limited exposure is about as long as it takes to plugged up your nose with dust, and not doing so on a regular basis. When you tank blast the resulting fractured pieces of sand are far worse then what you find in quarries and mines. Not only is it pulverized, but mixed in with Bitchamastic, epoxy, fillers such as asbestos, and lead of all different particle sizes. The 120 PSI blast line cause it to go everywhere, and the slightest disturbance when cleaning it up causes fine dust to go flying. Plenty of times myself and many I've known have breathed it with no measurable effects, others, after MANY years of not using any protection have spots on their lungs, but are still asymptomatic. A few developed full blow lung diseases after decades of abuse. Bite me. Tell me what you know after another 20 years, cause you dumb as rain right now. No common sense. [last edit 2/28/2012 11:54 PM by MrSivalls - edited 1 times]
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Gunner Trees This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: MSP Gender: Male
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| | Re: silica <Reply # 28 on 2/29/2012 12:17 AM >
| | | Posted by MrSivalls
I've worked in confined spaces with silica, , not grit, blasting, I wear a SCBA or a respirator when doing so, always. My point is a limited exposure or two, or twenty isn't going harm you. In conditions like you're describing I'd want an air fed respirator, and a limited exposure is about as long as it takes to plugged up your nose with dust, and not doing so on a regular basis. When you tank blast the resulting fractured pieces of sand are far worse then what you find in quarries and mines. Not only is it pulverized, but mixed in with Bitchamastic, epoxy, fillers such as asbestos, and lead of all different particle sizes. The 120 PSI blast line cause it to go everywhere, and the slightest disturbance when cleaning it up causes fine dust to go flying. Plenty of times myself and many I've known have breathed it with no measurable effects, others, after MANY years of not using any protection have spots on their lungs, but are still asymptomatic. A few developed full blow lung diseases after decades of abuse. Bite me. Tell me what you know after another 20 years, cause you dumb as rain right now. No common sense.
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Beens
Location: Toronto Gender: Male
| | | Re: silica <Reply # 29 on 2/29/2012 1:59 AM >
| | | well...if a nuke will kill you more than an AK, might as well pull some stopping-bullets matrix shit right?
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Gunner Trees This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: MSP Gender: Male
DISCRETION IS A CHOICE
| | Re: silica <Reply # 30 on 2/29/2012 7:17 AM >
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Orangedrink
Gender: Male
Phobiaphile
| | | Re: silica <Reply # 31 on 2/29/2012 6:45 PM >
| | | I always keep my lungs covered with a thick layer of resin just in case.
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Harvestman
Location: Somewhere in SORTA/TANK Territory! Gender: Male
Everything about me has a poker face.
| | | Re: silica <Reply # 32 on 2/29/2012 8:45 PM >
| | | Posted by Orangedrink I always keep my lungs covered with a thick layer of resin just in case.
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I just stop breathing.
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Ground hog
Location: st paul,Mn Gender: Male
| | Re: silica <Reply # 33 on 3/7/2012 11:44 PM >
| | | ok thanks mario i guess i ment to put more as i was wondering what people think of it? has anyone ever heard of anyone getting it???? From what i understand its not something that is easy to get but if your exposed to it daily or in dry harsh conditions. Yes im talking about getting it from caving or from digging/cutting sandstone in the msp area.
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Clockwork
Location: Minneapolis, MN Gender: Male
I WILL KILL THIS MONKEY! I'M CRAZY!
| | | Re: silica <Reply # 34 on 3/7/2012 11:55 PM >
| | | Eesh. I've been getting super paranoid of silica lately. Just ask Poopsmyth. I've been getting panic attacks at dig sites lately.
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Orangedrink
Gender: Male
Phobiaphile
| | | Re: silica <Reply # 35 on 3/8/2012 1:29 AM >
| | | Posted by Clockwork Eesh. I've been getting super paranoid of silica lately. Just ask Poopsmyth. I've been getting panic attacks at dig sites lately.
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Me too! I think it had to do with the mask I was wearing. Were you wearing one?
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Slim Jim Noble Donor
Location: St. Paul, MN Gender: Male
Maze is 100% done now!!! Someday when it's -10 out and the generators won't start I might upload th
| | Re: silica <Reply # 36 on 3/9/2012 7:37 PM >
| | | Silica exposure is NOT "limited" when you're spending 8 or more hours per week grinding away at it with a chipping hammer. It's a very real threat and we need to wear P100 rated respirators. Once you have it, it never goes away. That said, I'm pretty confident we're ok with the respirators as long as we test the seal when we put one on. No guarantees though. Dig at your own risk. Oh, and regarding the original thread, don't fuck with ground hog. He's the most hardcore digger we have here in the twin cities. In all seriousness. And that's saying a lot because we have a lot of hardcore diggers. Respect the ground hog!!!
I want to be different. But I want to be different just like everybody else, because if I really were different, everybody would think I was crazy and weird. Iowa is Minnesota's bitch. There's an art to pooping. |
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Smurf
Location: Salt Lake City / Saint Paul Gender: Male
Sanitary sewers are smarter than the ghetto in spring time
| | | Re: silica <Reply # 37 on 3/12/2012 4:21 PM >
| | | Posted by MrSivalls
Agree, that's when you do use them. Where you have hours of exposure and/or repeat exposures they became necessity. Very few explorers do this.
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To be fair, I think MrSivalls is right here. I would say 90% of people on UER would never have to wear a respirator for silica. What we call exploring in here MSP you don't really find in other parts of the world.
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Ground hog
Location: st paul,Mn Gender: Male
| | Re: silica <Reply # 38 on 6/13/2012 10:47 PM >
| | | Posted by Slim Jim Silica exposure is NOT "limited" when you're spending 8 or more hours per week grinding away at it with a chipping hammer. It's a very real threat and we need to wear P100 rated respirators. Once you have it, it never goes away. That said, I'm pretty confident we're ok with the respirators as long as we test the seal when we put one on. No guarantees though. Dig at your own risk. Oh, and regarding the original thread, don't fuck with ground hog. He's the most hardcore digger we have here in the twin cities. In all seriousness. And that's saying a lot because we have a lot of hardcore diggers. Respect the ground hog!!!
Im not to sure why this hydro guy with the ugly emo looking picture always has something smart to say or wants to talk to everyone like he is better or like he is some sort of urban explorer! lol |
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pincheck
Location: Scotland Gender: Male
| | Re: silica <Reply # 39 on 6/14/2012 6:54 AM >
| | | never been in sandstone before a just lead and gold mine thats all. I do now of some people visiting a silica mine where its pretty bloody big with a kind of road network for JCBs to use.Interesting conversation though
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