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 Gringo Loco
      
Location: Kansas City, MO
Gender: Male
 |  |  |  |  | Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
< on 2/8/2012 2:21 AM >
|  | | | A lot of people complain of locations being trashed after they have posted them in the DB. Is this a falsehood believed to be true brought on by an enveloped ego?
One must assume that vandals find locations on their own. That buildings and locations are discovered independently from any internet source. It's evidenced in the fact that many locations are already ransacked and graffitied before any of us get there. Also in the fact that vandalism predates the internet.
One must also acknowledge that in today's modern world, people use the internet. A tangible percentage of these people statistically will be people who consider vandalism acceptable, and who will go explore a location they find on the internet.
My question is, what ratio of vandalism is from influence for UER/internet, versus the location simply being discovered on it's on in the real world scenario?
"TubGirl is hot."
I want to be addressed as Sir Gringo DeathTruck the First. |
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Salinas Explorer
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Location: Salinas, CA
Gender: Male
WHAT?
| | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 1 on 2/8/2012 2:29 AM >
| | | | About time somebody made some sense around here!
I waited every night for a week at the Beet Scales, no one showed? Curious... |
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Harvestman
Location: Somewhere in SORTA/TANK Territory!
Gender: Male
Everything about me has a poker face.
| | | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 2 on 2/8/2012 2:40 AM >
| | | | I don't recall any stories about people seeing a location in the database and then going to trash it as a result of that. People have stolen stuff before, yes, but not done anything as extreme as that.
Oh good, my slow clap processor made it into this thing.
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cdevon
Location: west county
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 3 on 2/8/2012 3:07 AM >
| | | | i agree, i looked on the internet for scraping websites and forums. there are none, yet this still happens?
i remember when i was a kid, before the internet finding places out in the woods at the end of a run down dead end street that was well trashed out, burned down, tagged all to hell.
When I say I'm 'clean and sober', it means I've showered and I'm headed to the liquor store. |
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Weirdlig
Gender: Female
| | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 4 on 2/8/2012 3:44 AM >
| | | | Alot of it must be random paranoia, but I personally have found what I believe to be a legitimate threat for my area. SMOR and AMOR...two taggers who've been to every place...ever. A few times I found places that were untouched, made fullmember listings for them, and came back to find their tags as well as a million and one others.
I get the idea they received full membership some time back and devolved their respect for these places into destruction. Now they periodically check for new DB listings and fuck them.
OR I might just be randomly paranoid.
http://www.flickr....irdlingphotography |
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jerm IX
Location: Somewhere, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
If you can't find something nice to say...say it on UER.
| | | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 5 on 2/8/2012 3:54 AM >
| | | | It is part of graffiti culture to go where you are not supposed to go. This includes, but is by no means limited to abandoned locations. Graffiti writers know the ins and outs of a city better than anyone, in many cases. They don't need UER to find spots. They are wanderers.
I have heard this rumour, or myth as well. I've added a couple dozen spots to the DB and seen no increase in destruction, vandalism or otherwise.
http://myabandonmentissues.blogspot.ca/ |
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metawaffle
 
King of Puns
Location: Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
| | | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 6 on 2/8/2012 4:21 AM >
| | | | Waaait... didn't Jerm apologise for doing just this?
http://www.longexposure.net |
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yokes
 
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 7 on 2/8/2012 4:22 AM >
| | | | The only people who use the DB to find locations to trash are other UER members.
"Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel |
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 8 on 2/8/2012 4:24 AM >
| | | | I've only seen UER mentioned in graffiti 4 or 5 times, so I'm pretty sure there's no taggers on here 
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 |
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SPARKY_481
Location: Indy
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 9 on 2/8/2012 4:39 AM >
| | | | Posted by Gringo Loco
A lot of people complain of locations being trashed after they have posted them in the DB. Is this a falsehood believed to be true brought on by an enveloped ego?
One must assume that vandals find locations on their own. That buildings and locations are discovered independently from any internet source. It's evidenced in the fact that many locations are already ransacked and graffitied before any of us get there. Also in the fact that vandalism predates the internet.
One must also acknowledge that in today's modern world, people use the internet. A tangible percentage of these people statistically will be people who consider vandalism acceptable, and who will go explore a location they find on the internet.
My question is, what ratio of vandalism is from influence for UER/internet, versus the location simply being discovered on it's on in the real world scenario?
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Be careful asking for stats, the last person got banned I think lol
[last edit 2/8/2012 4:40 AM by SPARKY_481 - edited 1 times]
You only LIVE once |
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 10 on 2/8/2012 4:50 AM >
| | | | Speaking of stats, here's some interesting number:
Google search for "uer.ca" site:12ozprophet.com (graff forum) brings up 73 results.
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 |
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cdevon
Location: west county
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 11 on 2/8/2012 4:52 AM >
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PEOPLE....
taggers, arsonists, bums, urbex'rs, cops, murderers, hookers, junkies, bus drivers kids, teens, pedeo bear, paint ballers, heavy metal rock video film crews, us military, nasa, ghost hunting t.v. show guys (and girls), writers, artists, photographers, boy scouts, mexican drug smugglers and skate boarders WILL FIND these places... regardless of what internet forum they are documented on. always have, always will. but if it makes you feel better that you think that "that one place only you know about" is as sacred as your first sexual encounter, then fine. believe that no one else has ever or will ever "have it" like you have it and keep it to your self.
this exploring is like getting a used car, some one drove the shit out of it before you. even new cars had some one in the drivers seat before you.
When I say I'm 'clean and sober', it means I've showered and I'm headed to the liquor store. |
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dallas
Location: seattle
Gender: Female
So long and thanks for all the fish
| | | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 12 on 2/8/2012 6:24 AM >
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+1 i believe that i have also seen no increased vandalism because of db
amazing wife to Narf. Don't look him up or ill cut you. |
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MonkeyPunchBaby
| | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 13 on 2/8/2012 6:39 AM >
| | | | I don't think it happens often. But after i posted this one location in the db, it started getting super trashed and scrapped. Could be coincidence.
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Astro
Usually naked
Location: The Delta Quadrant
Gender: Male
Resistance is Futile
| | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 14 on 2/8/2012 7:07 AM >
| | | | I feel it is necessary to say: If you value a location then enjoy it while you can. The future for it is never certain, regardless of the internet.
[02:33:56] <Valkyre> Astro your whole life is ruled by the sentence ' life is better without clothes on'
[22:16:00] <DSomms> it was normal until astro got here
Astro: Patron Saint of Drains |
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Adv.Pack
Location: Connecticut
Adventure Pack
| | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 15 on 2/8/2012 2:44 PM >
| | | | The problem is not simply the UER DB. It is the internet in general. The internet helped me find LOADS of places that I then went to. When one person shares their experience you can be sure that 10 people will follow.
.... yes I realize I am one of these people.
Also, its not just vandalism. Its foot traffic in general.
https://www.instagram.com/chris.kiely/
ttp://www.flickr.com/photos/adv_/ |
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Steed
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| | | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 16 on 2/8/2012 2:57 PM >
| | | | I think it's easy to look in hindsight at a location and place too much significance on ourselves as an influencing factor over every other activity that happened there.
If I see a location that's been trashed by some idiot foreigner I get super defensive, but I can rest assured that the worst locations are the ones found in Korean ghost-hunting databases.
We have no influence over people who don't know about us, but it's easy to inflate our perceived sphere of influence and be like "That school burned down because four years ago I posted a gallery of it in the UE DB!"
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
| | | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 17 on 2/8/2012 3:10 PM >
| | | | Everything is cyclical. A place gets built. It gets abandoned. In some rare cases, it gets "forgotten" about by most people. Then it gets discovered. Over time, it gets more and more visitors, each one with different values and reasons for being there. Eventually it starts to suffer from some of the attention. Then it will be demolished for whatever reason.
If you think you have a significant hand in any of this, you are deluding yourself. If you find a place that is "pristine," you aren't the first person to "rediscover" it. And you won't be the last. Occasionally something happens which greatly increases the chance for people to notice the place: a harsh winter changes a pattern of vegetation which leaves something visible from a distance which hadn't been before; road work or construction causes a detour which brings more people through an area than usual; more visitors almost always means more exposure, and more people noticing what they had not noticed before.
This is as it always has been. This is as it always will be. The internet is another factor added into the system, but it is nothing more than a blip. Maybe some specific place might receive a lot of attention due to the internet, like if some truly incredible photography of a place goes viral, but that is extremely rare. For the most part, the internet has zero effect on the cycle.
Just because you "found" a place during a slow cycle of increasing numbers of people finding it, which always inevitably leads to ruin, don't believe that you have anything special to say about it.
Be drinkable.
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mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
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Send4Help
Location: A biology lab far, far away...
Gender: Male
No time for the old in-out, love.
| | Re: Posting locations, subsequently trashed.
<Reply # 19 on 2/8/2012 4:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by MutantMandias
Just because you "found" a place during a slow cycle of increasing numbers of people finding it, which always inevitably leads to ruin, don't believe that you have anything special to say about it.
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TRUTH!
What a single person posts here (with the exception of something that randomly goes viral) really leaves no footprint on the place as a whole. Some of us just seem to have a big head on our shoulders...
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