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 Cyrushick
 |  | Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
< on 10/31/2011 2:31 AM >
|  | | | Greetings everyone!
I have been registered to this site for quite some time but I have never posted anything. I am an avid urban explorer, photographer and writer of derelict places.
This being my first post I would like to (firstly say hello) inform everyone, in particular those of you on the east coast of USA, that 15 buildings at K.P.P.C will be demolished in May of next year (2012). Plans of this sort have been thrown around for years but this time the words are credible. I have started a blog to promote the value of this space and to spread an online petition, to at least let those who have made this decision know that there is resistance.
For more information on the State of New York's plan go to:
http://libn.com/20...lition-up-for-bid/
For those of you who are interested please go to: www.helpkppc.com
Also if you are a local to the area please spread the word! I will be updating the blog regularly so if you are interested in helping out let me know!
Thanks!
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AeroFennec
   
Location: NY
Gender: Male
| |  |  | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 1 on 10/31/2011 4:14 AM >
| | | | I never ever post here, but this is a topic I feel the need to jump in on.
Just about anything you do is going to be a waste of time. I had a non profit group set up, a website, petitions, went to meeting after meeting, even developed detailed reuse plans on a building by building basis. I had the support of a lot of community organizations. But it all went no where. Because NY state doesn't care what anyone has to say. We proved the buildings were historic, the state even admitted that, but their only response was that they will now photograph and document them before demolition. Only NY state would go pay people to do what they've been trying to arrest us for doing for the past 10 years...
And honestly, I don't believe a single building on that property is ever going to come down until I see it happen. This project went out to bid once before and got pulled back. They don't even have the money for the cops to patrol anymore.
Just go enjoy the place during whatever time it has left, don't waste your time when no ones listening.
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insanebuslady
Location: ?
Gender: Male
"You talkin' to me?"
| | | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 2 on 10/31/2011 4:49 AM >
| | | | Youch. Kinda cynical? Or realistic. I dont know
I think it's good you're trying to do something
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xtacyturbo
 
Location: Pittsburgh
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 3 on 10/31/2011 11:59 AM >
| | | | Aerofennec is right. Unless you can come up with the millions of dollars needed to restore the buildings, you're wasting your time.
I've lost count how many buildings I've seen come down after thousands of people signed petitions. And I've never once seen demolition canceled, let alone even postponed, due to an online petition.
Nobody cares about these buildings other than us, and that's a fact that isn't changing anytime soon.
My photos of stuff: www.skuhnphoto.com |
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Samurai
  
Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 4 on 10/31/2011 12:05 PM >
| | | | New York state can't afford to pay it's bills... i doubt highly that this place will be dropped in the next ten years, let alone next ten months!
and as for being cynical about New York, it's hard not to be.
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maypost
 
Location: North, South, East, West, all around... then down to the underground
Gender: Male
Exploring if for n00bz0rz
| | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 5 on 10/31/2011 12:29 PM >
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This would never happen in WV.
NY really has a lot to learn from other states. Shame, really
Exploring is like tattoos... They stopped being cool in 2005
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zero5four
Location: Southwest Florida
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 6 on 10/31/2011 1:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by insanebuslady
Youch. Kinda cynical? Or realistic. I dont know
I think it's good you're trying to do something
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I'm pretty sure Aero knows EXACTLY what he's talking about...
gotta get in, before its gone forever |
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insulinguy
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 7 on 10/31/2011 2:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by maypost
This would never happen in WV.
NY really has a lot to learn from other states. Shame, really
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other states have a lot to learn from WV. PA could easily be lumped into this category too. if the nut that owns pennhurst would do what has been done down in weston the world would be a better place. the person who owns weston is trying to by a property in PA and one in MA to do the same thing with - make it open to the public - offer historical tours and preserve history.
sad to see KPPC go if/when it does. one of my favorite days of my life was spent there.
pro-abortion, anti-christ |
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insulinguy
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 9 on 10/31/2011 2:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by Weirdling
We should occupy King's Park.
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^^^THIS^^^
pro-abortion, anti-christ |
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Sceptic
Location: In the Dreams of a City that Never Sleeps
Gender: Male
120
| | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 10 on 10/31/2011 8:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by AeroFennec
I never ever post here, but this is a topic I feel the need to jump in on.
Just about anything you do is going to be a waste of time. I had a non profit group set up, a website, petitions, went to meeting after meeting, even developed detailed reuse plans on a building by building basis. I had the support of a lot of community organizations. But it all went no where. Because NY state doesn't care what anyone has to say. We proved the buildings were historic, the state even admitted that, but their only response was that they will now photograph and document them before demolition. Only NY state would go pay people to do what they've been trying to arrest us for doing for the past 10 years...
And honestly, I don't believe a single building on that property is ever going to come down until I see it happen. This project went out to bid once before and got pulled back. They don't even have the money for the cops to patrol anymore.
Just go enjoy the place during whatever time it has left, don't waste your time when no ones listening.
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quote for truth
"Instinctive forces influence the activity of consciousness. Whether that influence is for better or for worse depends upon the actual contents of the unconscious." |
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Roland
Location: Baltimore, MD
Gender: Male
Proud Leader of Brandishing a Firearm on the High Seas UE
| | | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 11 on 10/31/2011 8:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by maypost
This would never happen in WV.
NY really has a lot to learn from other states. Shame, really
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Spencer State Hospital says hi.
Buildings have two natural enemies- water, and bears. |
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Speed
Location: Philly area
Gender: Male
Retired Explorer
| | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 12 on 10/31/2011 8:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by AeroFennec
Just about anything you do is going to be a waste of time.
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/thread
R.I.P. NickSan | R.I.P. Don Corleyone |
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jukebox fuckup
Location: killadelphia
Gender: Female
| | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 13 on 11/1/2011 3:23 AM >
| | | | Posted by insanebuslady
Youch. Kinda cynical? Or realistic. I dont know
I think it's good you're trying to do something
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Realistic... BUT hardly a reason to give up. Enough pissed off people raising awareness for the historical value of these places will ultimately yield social change. Besides, what right does *anybody* have to complain about the loss of these places unless if they actually stepped up and tried to do something about it?
“Civilization today reminds me of an ape with a blowtorch playing in a room full of dynamite." |
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jukebox fuckup
Location: killadelphia
Gender: Female
| | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 14 on 11/1/2011 3:30 AM >
| | | | After all, if it were always a lost cause, places like eastern state penn, weston, and traverse city wouldn't be still around.
“Civilization today reminds me of an ape with a blowtorch playing in a room full of dynamite." |
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tippa
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
boner jamz
| | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 15 on 11/1/2011 3:30 AM >
| | | | its good that people are trying to do something but what im getting from this thread is that this is an uphill battle. kudos for trying but when it comes down to it we are a rare breed. I would love to save all of the places that are gone, going, or demo'd but it really comes down to politics and money.
I also like the occupy abandonments idea.
Not a single fuck given...
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jukebox fuckup
Location: killadelphia
Gender: Female
| | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 16 on 11/1/2011 3:42 AM >
| | | | Posted by tippa
its good that people are trying to do something but what im getting from this thread is that this is an uphill battle. kudos for trying but when it comes down to it we are a rare breed. I would love to save all of the places that are gone, going, or demo'd but it really comes down to politics and money.
I also like the occupy abandonments idea.
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Tippa, if it were easy, would it be worth doing?
How rare of a breed? I'm the only explorer involved in the movement to preserve pennhurst. Maybe my nonprofit and others would have more success if explorers and other interested parties put their money where their mouths are and spend as little as an hour a month trying to save a historical building. There are a lot of people that claim to care, but do *absolutely nothing* to change the current state of affairs... And we wonder why these movements fail?
Re: money and politics, a former board member for preserve pennhurst is running for local office with intent of making the owner play by the laws he keeps breaking.
“Civilization today reminds me of an ape with a blowtorch playing in a room full of dynamite." |
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Cyrushick
| | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 17 on 11/5/2011 4:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by AeroFennec
I never ever post here, but this is a topic I feel the need to jump in on.
Just about anything you do is going to be a waste of time. I had a non profit group set up, a website, petitions, went to meeting after meeting, even developed detailed reuse plans on a building by building basis. I had the support of a lot of community organizations. But it all went no where. Because NY state doesn't care what anyone has to say. We proved the buildings were historic, the state even admitted that, but their only response was that they will now photograph and document them before demolition. Only NY state would go pay people to do what they've been trying to arrest us for doing for the past 10 years...
And honestly, I don't believe a single building on that property is ever going to come down until I see it happen. This project went out to bid once before and got pulled back. They don't even have the money for the cops to patrol anymore.
Just go enjoy the place during whatever time it has left, don't waste your time when no ones listening.
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I have lost all faith in the urban explorer community. Regardless of your either quantitative or qualitative opinion it is a matter of simply doing something. This is a start but it could and it perhaps will be much more than a simple 'petition'; one must think outside of the standard possibilities and regimental 'government approved' actions for preservation. Urban exploration is the enacting of transgressive behavior and thought. When one urban explores they are generally breaking the law, however, at the same time most UE's hold themselves back by some silly 'ethic' that has its grounds in an environmental ethic. In other words that 'leave nothing but footprints, take nothing but pictures' mentality has eaten its way into and blinded the core of what urban exploration is; the enacting of one's free will. So to say that this project will 'never help or work' is plain stagnant and boring. If one really wants to make it so others can engage in the freedoms that urban explorers engage in then other measures can be taken besides a simple petition. A petition can be a start for something much more intricate, precise and well thought out. All it takes is for people to understand that this 'hobby' that they enjoy so much transcends those cultural norms. One does not have to be held back by their beliefs and you are pathetic for doing so.
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Cyrushick
| | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 18 on 11/5/2011 4:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by xtacyturbo
Aerofennec is right. Unless you can come up with the millions of dollars needed to restore the buildings, you're wasting your time.
I've lost count how many buildings I've seen come down after thousands of people signed petitions. And I've never once seen demolition canceled, let alone even postponed, due to an online petition.
Nobody cares about these buildings other than us, and that's a fact that isn't changing anytime soon.
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Perhaps what is meant by 'preservation' is not a reworking, renewing or renovation of the space. To preserve something means to 'protect' it. What is being protected in this case is not a particular state or time of the sites history; instead its very existence as a decaying entity is what ought be 'preserved'.
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Radio2600
Location: On the Road to Wellville
HY KAK TO TAK
| | Re: Petition to stop Kings Park Psychiatric Center demolition!
<Reply # 19 on 11/6/2011 3:36 AM >
| | | | Historic preservation will never happen there. I don't anticipate demolition happening any time soon either.
It's not like Edgewood back years ago where they just imploded the buildings and carted off the debris.
The environmental laws these days are so tight that they would have to spend millions cleaning up literally tons of lead paint and asbestos before the first charge could be placed.
The EPA and every NIMBY within 500 miles would seriously frown upon having all that lead paint dust and asbestos coming down as toxic fallout all over the Northeastern U.S..
I'll believe it's getting demolished when 93 comes down.
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