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 NotBatman
    
Location: MSP
Gender: Male
Secret Cult Member
 |  | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 40 on 6/4/2011 8:17 PM >
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I think that Panda is in the right here, she had no idea that this reporter was going to write it like this. |
She's not, though. Even suggesting that a crowbar might ever come into play was a mistake. That's not controlling the interview, that's providing a reporter with a sensationalistic hook to latch on to. Reporters are going to write things that entice the average slob and make them want to read more. You have to be just as mindful around them as you are with cops. Stay consistant, stay unobtrusive, appear harmless. You can show a reporter the thrill of discovery, the unknown, and lost history, or you can say "It's too bad we don't have a better way to smash shit tonight."
Posted by BeowulfBrower
Moreover, look on the bright side, URBEX GOT A COVER STORY! This reached a lot of new people and let them know that we exist. |
And how is this a good thing, exactly? Getting the people who already know about us to have a more favorable opinion of us (as harmless rogues and jolly adventurers) is a good thing. Exposing ourselves to a wider audience (who, by the way, may well associate us with crowbars and B&E based on this article) is not.
These are all my opinions. Take them for what they cost you and if you want your money back I will happily accomodate. I don't think this is really that bad, I don't expect much will come of it.
But it's still not something to be celebrated and hopefully lessons regarding discretion were learned.
I'm a "Leave only footprints, take only pornography" kind of guy, myself. |
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Garry Owen
Gender: Male
| | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 41 on 6/4/2011 8:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by hydrotherapy
...wow.
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Ironic post is ironic?
Eta: hmm, my apologies, I thought it would quote your quote as well..my comment was re: 'road'
[last edit 6/4/2011 8:58 PM by Garry Owen - edited 1 times]
And so when man and horse go down
Beneath a saber keen,
Or in a roaring charge of fierce melee You stop a bullet clean, And the hostiles come to get your scalp, Just empty your canteen, And put your pistol to your head And go to Fiddlers' Green. |
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Eschaton
 
Location: Western NC
Gender: Male
Entry: Eschaton (es-kuh-tawn) noun | end of time, climax of history | Etymology: Greek for 'last'
| |  | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 42 on 6/4/2011 9:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by NotBatman
She's not, though. Even suggesting that a crowbar might ever come into play was a mistake. That's not controlling the interview, that's providing a reporter with a sensationalistic hook to latch on to. Reporters are going to write things that entice the average slob and make them want to read more. You have to be just as mindful around them as you are with cops. Stay consistant, stay unobtrusive, appear harmless. You can show a reporter the thrill of discovery, the unknown, and lost history, or you can say "It's too bad we don't have a better way to smash shit tonight."
And how is this a good thing, exactly? Getting the people who already know about us to have a more favorable opinion of us (as harmless rogues and jolly adventurers) is a good thing. Exposing ourselves to a wider audience (who, by the way, may well associate us with crowbars and B&E based on this article) is not.
These are all my opinions. Take them for what they cost you and if you want your money back I will happily accomodate. I don't think this is really that bad, I don't expect much will come of it.
But it's still not something to be celebrated and hopefully lessons regarding discretion were learned.
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It's true, the article could be worse. The author seems to throw in words like "crowbar" and "breaking in" like they're of no consequence.
The problem is that these two brought great risk to the explorers of Louisville, and shame to UER and the entire explorer community for a little fame, as if traipsing around in an old building with a camera makes them important people.
The fact that they wanted it so badly that they're okay with deceiving and lying to someone who got them together and found them places explore, and made us a team, well that makes it personal. I thought they were my friends.
Ars Gratia Adventuris |
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denvereen
Location: Denver
Gender: Male
| | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 43 on 6/4/2011 11:23 PM >
| | | | Always been leery of people that act like they are in a band,...a crew....a team, if you will. Many times it ends in constant sorrow, with banjos a-jangling and mud being thrown.
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Salinas Explorer
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Location: Salinas, CA
Gender: Male
WHAT?
| | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 44 on 6/4/2011 11:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by BeowulfBrower
So yeah, bad stuff happened, but she meant good and did plenty of it.
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Actually, unless you are psychic, you have no idea what she meant. I would like to think she meant best, but we can only presume.
I waited every night for a week at the Beet Scales, no one showed? Curious... |
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Harvestman
Location: Somewhere in SORTA/TANK Territory!
Gender: Male
Everything about me has a poker face.
| | | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 45 on 6/5/2011 2:17 AM >
| | | | Posted by denvereen
Always been leery of people that act like they are in a band,...a crew....a team, if you will. Many times it ends in constant sorrow, with banjos a-jangling and mud being thrown.
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Well, after this article, I'm sure Eschaton was a man of constant sorrow. He's bid farewell to his old Kentucky urbex group, in which he was born and raised.
Oh good, my slow clap processor made it into this thing.
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denvereen
Location: Denver
Gender: Male
| | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 46 on 6/5/2011 2:37 AM >
| | | | "In which heeeeeeee was born and raised." (good catch)
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Breach
Location: Louisville, KY
Gender: Male
| | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 47 on 6/5/2011 2:44 AM >
| | | | We need a "post like" feature. These last to were epic. 
"I set the bar high, it makes it easier to sneak under." -J.D. Jenkins |
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Clockwork
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
I WILL KILL THIS MONKEY! I'M CRAZY!
| |  | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 48 on 6/5/2011 8:36 AM >
| | | | Posted by NinjUrb
We need a "post like" feature. These last to were epic.
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Agreed. I keep wanting to "Like" people's posts. Damn facebook influencing my online expectations!
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fedge
Location: Gaud Corners, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
you blight up my life™®
| | | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 49 on 6/5/2011 9:45 AM >
| | | | Posted by Pandamonium
It's not like it was proof read after she road it. |
Perhaps Pandamonium is a Road Scholar?
18-odd Years Of UER-ing! |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 50 on 6/5/2011 7:31 PM >
| | | | While it's easy (and popular) to rag on a person for wanting some attention, most people do want attention for what they feel is a cool hobby. Just because she went farther and did an interview doesn't make her different than most here, just that on the sliding scale she slid farther to the "wants attention and recognition" end.
Thats each person's personal choice, if none of us wanted any attention we wouldn't even post about an exploration here (law enforcement and reporters DO read here and some sign up as members).
But the hope is that when any of us do something that puts the entire hobby in the public eye to a greater degree, that we portray the hobby in a way that doesn't make us look like irresponsible vandals and thieves.
People doing interviews and mentioning B&E tools, or others getting caught then being ignorant and stupid in the media hurts everyone's public credibility. Doing an interview and measuring your words and controlling the information you blurt out makes a world of difference in how the story ends up sounding.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Loki
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Gender: Male
| | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 51 on 6/6/2011 12:49 AM >
| | | | Doing UE articles is a great way to meet chicks.
Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank |
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Breach
Location: Louisville, KY
Gender: Male
| | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 52 on 6/6/2011 1:50 AM >
| | | | Posted by Loki
Doing UE articles is a great way to meet chicks.
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What if the interveiwee is already a chick??? Kinda counter-productive, unless she's a lesbian.
"I set the bar high, it makes it easier to sneak under." -J.D. Jenkins |
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tholcomb
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Gender: Male
Captain Baghead!
| | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 53 on 6/6/2011 2:56 AM >
| | | | Hmm...some explorers give a "reporter" an interview on UE. This happens once or twice per quarter on here. Not a big deal.
There are only two things I care about:
1) The article read as if it had been written by an 8th grader trying too hard to get a good grade on a short story. Maybe that's a little too descriptive, but I read too much of that article.
Speaking of too much reading, that article was hella long. Does anyone know what the soul of wit is? It's brevity, which is also what you want in a new article, along with accuracy and clarity. This article lacks all three.
2,741 words. Holy shit. That would take the average person over 13 minutes to read. I almost want to revise this and see how much bullshit I can cut out.
Is Ninjalicious a member of LUX? Is that really a quote from him? After my 30 seconds of conducting research, I have deemed the answers to both these questions to be "no."1
“I’ve been doing it longer than they have,” Dante says, his eyes widening mid-sentence. “Oh look! There’s an old building.” - I have no idea what this is doing in the story. It doesn't reference what he has been doing longer than an unidentified "they" have. I guess breaking into buildings with crowbars. Perhaps piracy. The world may never know.
I found the article under the "news" section of the website, so it would be safe to assume this is a "news article." Kind of like how history papers have to be formatted in Chicago style, news articles should be formatted in AP Style. The author appears to have no knowledge of this. I have taken one 3 credit journalism course and I know most of AP Style, it's not hard to learn.
2) Juvenile arguments regarding your super-1337 UrbEx club on public forums leads to loxor. Also, it makes you seem rather immature. I assumed after reading your posts that you were 15 or 16 years old. I was wrong.
tl;dr: The article wasn't written worth a shit. Don't argue over public forums.
Also, inb4loxor
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JavaSpartan
Location: Chicago
| | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 54 on 6/6/2011 6:58 AM >
| | | | I can see why some publicity concerning Urbex could be considered a good thing. If anything, the right article can put us in the positive spotlight. Written well, the general public will see that we are not just some stupid kids looking for some fun and excitement, and to a certain extent this article showed that. Sure we do it for the thrill, but we do it to appreciate urban decay, the beauty of it and the amazement that it brings.
However, the fact that anything was mentioned about B&E is just ridiculous. It is the exact opposite of what I wrote above. And Panda "done fucked up" by mentioning that Eschaton brought along crow bars to remove boards and I disagree with her even mentioning his Urbex name. If anything, Panda should have referred to him as "another member of the group" or something like that.
I can understand bringing the reporter to locations, but Panda and Dante should have stipulated that no revealing details about the location, especially POE (I feel like this is common sense), would be mentioned or even that they could look over the report before it was published. You guys said that allowing interviews allows you to control information, then DO it. Don't reveal details that can compromise a location to the authorities or to some stupid kids looking for somewhere to fuck shit up.
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PIIP
Location: Australia
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 55 on 6/6/2011 7:48 AM >
| | | | Posted by Pandamonium
Dante got in contact with the Leo on this, they found it interesting and it all started there and I was in full support of his idea. We took out the author and showed her around and had a great time. Who wouldn't want to take someone along Urbexing who hasn't been, but is obviously extremely interested.
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So extremely interested that she contacted you not the other way around? Out for fame.
Being in the spotlight is bad whether the article is done right or not. More publicity and attention - things being locked up quicker etc.
I have done an interview or two but they have been very vague and non-informative.... and yes Loki speaks the truth "doing UE articles gets the chicks" ;P
[last edit 6/6/2011 7:49 AM by PIIP - edited 1 times]
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Jonno23
Location: Phoenix, Az, Sector zz9 Plural Z Alpha
Gender: Male
This space for rent
| | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 56 on 6/6/2011 9:53 AM >
| | | | Posted by Breach
What if the interveiwee is already a chick??? Kinda counter-productive, unless she's a lesbian.
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Tell us more about this "lesbian" thing......
Blah Blah Blah. Shut up and open the damn door.
"It's ok Officer, I watch a lot of cop shows on tv, so i am practically one of you guys." - sadly, that didn't work.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonno23/ All my photos suck. |
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BeowulfBrower
Location: Mendota, IL
Gender: Male
Profession Tetanus Shot Receiver
| | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 57 on 6/6/2011 3:12 PM >
| | | | | Tell us more about this "lesbian" thing...... |
Well you see, when a girl loves a girl very much
They make babies
NOW YOU KNOW
[last edit 6/6/2011 3:18 PM by BeowulfBrower - edited 1 times]
Is that snow or asbestos? |
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Breach
Location: Louisville, KY
Gender: Male
| | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 58 on 6/6/2011 3:47 PM >
| | | | ^^^+1!
"I set the bar high, it makes it easier to sneak under." -J.D. Jenkins |
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tron_2.0
Location: Ohio
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Meet up, break in
<Reply # 59 on 6/6/2011 4:08 PM >
| | | | You guys really think people outside of Louisville (maybe even wishful thinking considering leo weekly is an 'alternative' weekly publication...) would care about something like this, let alone even read it? Some posters in this thread even admitted to not reading the article themselves!
Do you honestly believe that enough people read this that the reputation of urban exploring is forever tarnished? Personally, I believe the general public still is mostly unaware of urban exploration, or if somebody is aware of these activities they likely have already formed an opinion on the matter.
You can find tons of instances of people breaking and entering on this (public) website. It is discussed, alluded to, shunned, etc. We all know it happens (and the press does as well), so should we all be surprised when journalists portray the hobby in a somewhat negative light?
Just control what you say about these activities if/when you talk to the press. Maybe avoid proclaiming ethical stances altogether. Perhaps avoid discussing the how and when related to these spaces. Maybe just focus on why you do this, or what these spaces mean to you...
[quote][i]Posted by yokes[/i]
I find your lack of coziness.... disturbing.
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