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 The Anti-Paradigm
      
Location: -HTX-
Gender: Male
Against the Flow
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<Reply # 20 on 1/11/2011 7:30 AM >
|  | | | I am new to lockpicking and so i just got the pocket knife style to get started, and was planning to buy more picks, but this one has pretty much done it for me, havent needed to buy any more.- if it aint broke, dont fix it...
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Captain Redbeard
Location: NJ
Gender: Male
| | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 21 on 1/22/2011 8:10 AM >
| | | | I've been picking locks for a few months now and I think I'm pretty good for a beginner. I don't think I would take them exploring unless I knew I was dealing with a completely Craptastic lock like a Master No.3 Don't start trying to pick a lock without doing some research on it, it could be well out of your skill level and even if it is within your ability it sometimes can take a professional several hours to pick a lock they have never dealt with it before.
Keep in mind that there are other ways to bypass a lock such as a pull attack or freezing it with a can of compressed air and smash it  http://www.instruc...reeze-A-Lock-Off!/
If you are worried about getting caught with lock picks you could try a nifty idea I saw on Burn Notice and make a pick and tension tool out of an old pair of sunglasses. That way if you get caught you are just some guy with busted shades 
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Radioiron
Location: Richmond, Capitol of the Confederate States
Gender: Male
Process K-14 or die!
| | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 22 on 1/28/2011 4:37 AM >
| | | | I made a good set out of some scrap spring steel I had about half a year ago. Start with wafer locks (the kind on desks and very cheap padlocks). I'm a wiz at those and am getting better at pin type locks. what will greatly improve your chances is including a very small can of wd40 or graphite powder blower in your kit, with old locks lubrication is imperative.
To avoid getting caught with them maybe make a set of collapsible picks and construct a boot with a concealed compartment in the heel? You laugh but I've seen pictures of pretty good ones made by the OSS or CIA.
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Weapon X
Location: Around
Gender: Male
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| |  |  | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 23 on 1/29/2011 9:04 AM >
| | | | On the strictly informational side of things (because it's neat) ;) I have a nice little DVD rip that you might like, shoot me a pm, aim me, or catch me in uerchat if you're interested and we can use aim for a file transfer or if you prefer (and have a demonoid account) heres a link to the torrent.
http://www.demonoi...s/2071890/6516453/
Serves as a great introduction to the theory behind various locks and picking techniques/tools
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Captain Redbeard
Location: NJ
Gender: Male
| | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 24 on 1/29/2011 10:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by Radioiron
I made a good set out of some scrap spring steel I had about half a year ago. Start with wafer locks (the kind on desks and very cheap padlocks). I'm a wiz at those and am getting better at pin type locks. what will greatly improve your chances is including a very small can of wd40 or graphite powder blower in your kit, with old locks lubrication is imperative.
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I'm actually going to have to disagree with this. While they may be easier than pintumbler locks, starting to learn on wafer locks can get you into some pretty bad habits making it much more difficult to learn how to do pintumbler locks later on.
And with regards to lubricant. Yes lubricating a stiff lock is a good idea but be careful what you use. WD-40 does have some lubricating capabilities but when used for lock smithing it is more ideally used as a cleaner to get out all the dirt and grime. When you want to lubricate the internals of a lock I would recommend using a Silicon Spray Lubricant. It works much better than WD-40 in my opinion.
Graphite powder works well if you know how to use it. Accidentally using a tiny bit too much can really gum up your lock making it nearly impossible to pick (keyways are small making it easy to use too much) I say only people who really know what they are doing should use it.
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Karamar
Location: Shreveport, LA
Gender: Male
Wait...... What?
| | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 25 on 2/1/2011 3:28 AM >
| | | | Posted by unlisted
Do you mean one of these?
http://krygier.owu...1_gr/door-knob.jpg
Its called a big hammer or blunt object to "remove" said handle from the doorframe. Or the card trick as already mentioned...
But than again, we don't talk about b&e here. 
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Pipe Wrench will fix that pesky door, just saying.
Well...... crap........ |
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The Anti-Paradigm
Location: -HTX-
Gender: Male
Against the Flow
| | | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 26 on 2/1/2011 7:30 AM >
| | | | That whole freezing a lock thing is BS. On mythbusters they dipped and held a lock in Liquid Nitrogen for like ten seconds and it still wasn't very effective. I doubt using a can of compressed air will do better. You would be better off saving 7-8 bucks on the compressed air and just buy another hammer.
Two hammers at the same time on either side of most locks will usually non-destructively make it pop open, especially on Masterlocks. I did it before on a friend's toolbox (in which he had my tools) and i was able to lock the lock back without him knowing I got my stuff back.
BTW i do not codone any of the above said things^^^^^
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whslaxin
Location: Pawleys Island South Carolina
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 27 on 3/28/2011 6:43 AM >
| | | | on the crapy comb style key locks if you have one of the keys you can shave off all of the teeth but the one on the end and it should open most or all you come across
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explorobit
Gender: Male
You have things to do. Get off the internet.
| | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 28 on 4/5/2011 1:43 AM >
| | | | I'm a locksport enthusiast, have a set of picks and am starting to get decent at it. I was able to get a 5 pin lock with two security pins the other day which was a big deal to me That being said, I would never go exploring with picks on me. That just seems like a really bad idea. Also simply carrying/owning picks may be illegal depending on where you live (afaik it varies from state to state, province to province etc). I know in Manitoba there is no such thing as a locksmith license or w/e so it's okay to own them but I've heard that in other places it is illegal to simply own a set of picks without a license.
So yes, I would encourage you to learn the sport if you're interested in it. It takes a lot of patience and dedication but I find it to be a lot of fun. I would advise against using these skills for exploration however.
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Harlan
Location: Austin
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 29 on 4/5/2011 4:19 AM >
| | | | Posted by unlisted
Heh, bumping is not instant gratification.. you have to learn with those as well. (not as hard as lockpicking, but its not as simple as it looks on youtube)
Remember the key you purchased will only work in one type (keyway) of padlock, not in a range of them. You also gotta get the timings dead on.. and for that reason I prefer picking over bumping..
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I can honestly say I got the bump key to work within five minutes of trial.
But yes it is limiting as to different keyways, I plan on eventually taking the effort of learning to pick.
Edit: er, I didn't realize I was responding to a 3-month-old post...
[last edit 4/5/2011 4:23 AM by Harlan - edited 1 times]
I guess I should probably write something down here. |
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hoodrat
Location: San Diego, CA
Gender: Male
| | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 30 on 5/21/2011 8:50 AM >
| | | | What about a Lockaid Gun to pick locks?
Here's a link to one such device: http://www.defense...kaid-pick-gun.html
I guess Lockaid Guns are used by police departments and detectives. I thought I had read somewhere that the general public is not allowed to own these devices, so I thought it was interesting to find one for sale online at the link above.
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iagox86
Location: Seattle, WA
Gender: Male
| | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 31 on 5/23/2011 2:04 PM >
| | | | Posted by hoodrat
What about a Lockaid Gun to pick locks?
Here's a link to one such device: http://www.defense...kaid-pick-gun.html
I guess Lockaid Guns are used by police departments and detectives. I thought I had read somewhere that the general public is not allowed to own these devices, so I thought it was interesting to find one for sale online at the link above.
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Laws about what you can/can't own vary country to country and province/state to province/state. Check your local listings for details.
Personally, I find the old fashioned manual lockpicks (either a rake or a hook) work better than any automated tools. I've never used a bump key, though.
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Mark
  
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 32 on 5/26/2011 2:28 AM >
| | | | From my knowledge the only state currently prohibiting a non-licensed individual from owning picks is Mass. That may have changed in the last few months I don't think so.
Look frankly all the bump key guys, I took a course on Urban E&E and really got good with padlocks. I can pop most padlocks locks with two little homemade picks faster then most people can bump key. The nice thing is even if i dropped them they would look like rusty trash metal then picks. It takes nothing to learn picking, doesn't damage property, and allows you to seal a site back up so vandals can't get back in. Sites like this may not support it, and I understand the legal fears, but its really is stupid easy we learned in 3-4 hours how to get through many padlocks. Padlocks are stupid easy, and a great way not to get screwed up.
Also for those who have been trapped in the double locked trap rooms picks can be nice.
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TeePER
Location: Burlington, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 33 on 1/10/2012 9:44 PM >
| | | | Posted by HarvestmanMan
If you must get past a locked door, carding is the most highly recommended method. The success rate isn't terribly high, but it'll get you past some stuff (glass-paned, metal-framed double doors are a good bet).
On a side note, has ANYONE found a way to bypass one of those locks inside the ball-shaped door handles without a pick?
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Hacksaw.
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archie
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 34 on 2/26/2012 5:22 AM >
| | | | Not that I condone UEing with lockpicks, as pretty much anywhere it's a seriously bad deal to get caught trespassing with anything that could be considered a breaking and entering tool... BUT! If one were to do such things, be prepared to permanently ditch the picks if it seems like you might get caught.
Many institutional buildings tend to use high-quality locks. Learn the brands that mean IM A BADASS LOCK and then don't waste your time on them. Often though, you (might, if one were to do such things) run into locks that are surprisingly cheap and quickly give in to your efforts.
If you break or damage a lock during your efforts, it won't be long before someone realizes something has been going on. Keep that in mind if you intend to go back.
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Sigfather
Location: Groton, Connecticut, United States
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 35 on 2/27/2012 3:57 PM >
| | | | Posted by TeePER
Hacksaw.
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Shotgun.
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neptix
| | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 37 on 5/21/2012 9:19 PM >
| | | | While I personally prefer picks for just opening locks. For urbexing, I can see carrying a few padlock bump keys, simply because when they are on a keychain with a bunch of other keys, they're really not suspicious at all. While you should never use these to gain entry, I am of the opinion that having more options to get out is not only morally acceptable, it's a good plan.
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The Anti-Paradigm
Location: -HTX-
Gender: Male
Against the Flow
| | | Re: Lockpicking
<Reply # 38 on 5/23/2012 10:59 AM >
| | | | Posted by neptix
While I personally prefer picks for just opening locks. For urbexing, I can see carrying a few padlock bump keys, simply because when they are on a keychain with a bunch of other keys, they're really not suspicious at all. While you should never use these to gain entry, I am of the opinion that having more options to get out is not only morally acceptable, it's a good plan.
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I agree, and want to add, that having something you can ditch in necessity is good. Not a terrible idea to have something you can use to open locks, as you also would never want to get into a building and cant get back out the POE, and the only exit visible is door that is locked from the other side of where you are standing... Rare situation, but very possible.
This nearly happened in Louisiana with myself and another explorer, when we dropped into a narrow basement window of a hotel, and once down could not reach it. We ended up crawling through a hole in the wall next to a shit and maggot infested toilet, and after searching around this limited area found a desk and some boards to stack to make it out of a window on the other side of the hotel. We got kinda lucky, but it is always a good idea to have a plan B.
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