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 heinrick
   
Location: Cascadia
Gender: Male
 |  |  | Permission conundrum
< on 10/23/2010 3:06 PM >
|  | | | I approached a property owner this Spring about shooting a short film at a fantastic abandoned Queen Anne style house, to which the person agreed. I was relieved to know I didn't have to try sneaking in camera equipment and props early in the morning, although I probably could have done so.
BUT! The ownership was handed down a generation recently, and the son wants nothing to do with strangers on the property. Because he knows about the agreement I had made, he keeps a close eye on the site, and I'm no screwed with a half-finished movie.
Some high risk sites leave you only with these options:
1. Don't ask permission, risking serious trouble if caught and never being able to visit again.
2. Ask for permission from the owner, who either declines your request and proceeds to board up the place and survey it more often, or reluctantly agrees to a restricted, guided tour (unlikely).
Has the possibility of you exploring a location ever been totally shot down as a direct result of asking for permission?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/heinrick05/ |
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\/adder
   
Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 1 on 10/23/2010 3:58 PM >
| | | | If you ask for permission and they say no and you go anyways and get caught ...
In some state's that can up the charges because you were told verbally that you cannot be there vs going w/o permission and getting caught.
Written or verbal notice to to trespass is much more personal and serious than a sign sitting on a fence.
Example as in my state:
(a) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the first degree when: (1) Knowing that such person is not licensed or privileged to do so, such person enters or remains in a building or any other premises after an order to leave or not to enter personally communicated to such person by the owner of the premises or other authorized person;
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
escensi omnis... |
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Rinzler
Location: New Jersey
Nomad
| |  | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 2 on 10/23/2010 5:04 PM >
| | | | Reason i never bother to ask for permission unless it is absolutely the only way in.
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relik
  
Location: 44.26126°,-88.41502° (Appleton, WI)
Gender: Male
There is no truth, Only a perspective.
| | | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 3 on 10/23/2010 6:11 PM >
| | | | bribery?
if it means something as important as finishing a movie, perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea.
[last edit 10/23/2010 8:54 PM by relik - edited 1 times]
"When it rains, just find bigger drains." |
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vov35
Location: Maryland
Gender: Male
| | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 4 on 10/23/2010 6:58 PM >
| | | | In MD it's only trespassing if you know you're not allowed to be there. As in NO TRESPASSING signs on only one side of a property are NOT sufficient grounds for arrest.
"Only sheep need a shepherd." -- Voltaire |
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uLiveAndYouBurn
Location: Beyond
Anarchocommunist
| | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 5 on 10/23/2010 11:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by relik
bribery?
if it means something as important as finishing a movie, perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea.
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beat me to it. If its that important to you I bet the guy would change his mind if you paid him for access.
"Aint nothin' to it but to do it"
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DjMalign
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Gender: Male
Sexy, sexy, sexy
| | | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 6 on 10/24/2010 6:02 AM >
| | | | If you already have outside shots, you can find another place and do some creative blocking in another house. Unless you're following a strict script, then yeah yer screwed.
I hate all of you |
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Gutter Monkey
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Gender: Male
Tell me if this tickles
| | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 7 on 10/24/2010 10:10 AM >
| | | | A site I want to check out is within the grounds of a water catchment reservoir and I'm a little leery about how much security there might be, and how serious they'd be about suspicious people like me wandering about. I know that the local historical society conduct the occasional tour of the site so I emailed them and found out they're not planning on running any until mid next year. Should've just manned up and gone.
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Crumpet
Location: Brisbane, AUS
Gender: Male
You know you're in Brisbane when...
| | | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 8 on 10/24/2010 10:18 AM >
| | | | Posted by relik
bribery?
if it means something as important as finishing a movie, perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea.
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I think it's pretty much the only idea that stands a reasonable chance of working. If the guy's already explicitly said no and has started tightening security as a result, you can hardly claim "I didn't know" if you go anyway and get caught (though I guess this depends on your laws).
It all depends on how important (in both personal and monetary terms) the movie is to you. Or on whether, as previously suggested, you can just shift filming elsewhere.
- Crumpet (http://www.urbanillusions.org)
[from micro's "drainer rules"] 3rd RULE: If someone says "rain" or "thunderstorm", the draining is over. |
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heinrick
Location: Cascadia
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 9 on 10/24/2010 7:01 PM >
| | | | Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I did send a friendly, apologetic letter to the man, with 3x5 prints included. He's a builder, so I like to think he'd appreciate images of the architectural details.
If I don't hear back, I'll give him a call in the Spring. Otherwise, yeah, I'm gonna have to find an alternate location to fill in the gaps, which won't be easy.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/heinrick05/ |
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YoelT
Location: Viet Nam
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 10 on 10/24/2010 9:17 PM >
| | | | The only thing worse them people who say no, is people who don't respond at all.
www.yoeltaom.as |
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Loki
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Gender: Male
| | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 11 on 10/24/2010 9:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by Gutter Monkey
A site I want to check out is within the grounds of a water catchment reservoir and I'm a little leery about how much security there might be, and how serious they'd be about suspicious people like me wandering about. I know that the local historical society conduct the occasional tour of the site so I emailed them and found out they're not planning on running any until mid next year. Should've just manned up and gone.
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Be careful, those guys use night vision equipment.
Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank |
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Gutter Monkey
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Gender: Male
Tell me if this tickles
| | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 13 on 10/25/2010 2:10 AM >
| | | | Posted by ExplorerLoki
Be careful, those guys use night vision equipment.
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Actually that'll work in my favour since I'll probably be going in the day. 
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AndyA55555
Location: Albany, NY
Gender: Male
Clever Girl
| |  | | | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 14 on 10/28/2010 2:54 AM >
| | | | If he says no, then there really isn't much you can do. If you feel like it's THAT important to you, perhaps explain the situation to him, get him on board with your idea, perhaps offer to pay him for permission?
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
| | | | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 15 on 10/28/2010 3:56 AM >
| | | | Id try and bribe him too, without question.
I also agree that you should never ask permission unless it's the only way in. This might also mean the only way you, personally, are willing to get in. If something is too crazy to risk or too hard you might as well ask.
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Sewer Urchin
Very poisonous, don't touch me.
| | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 16 on 10/29/2010 2:50 PM >
| | | | I've had phenomenal success with bribery, and now carry bribe money with me at all times.
~Tom-Bob Boxtop |
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LostAmerica
Location: The West
| | | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 17 on 10/30/2010 12:29 AM >
| | | | Some call it bribery, but professionals simply call it "Paying for the right to shoot a location" aka "location fees."
[last edit 10/30/2010 12:29 AM by LostAmerica - edited 1 times]
www.lostamerica.com |
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 18 on 11/1/2010 3:14 PM >
| | | | Can you just explain to him in a very polite way that you're both men and you made an agreement with his father. And due to that agreement you're mid-way through filming a movie which you'd like to finish. You'd need to word it in a way which very politely points out that if he doesn't allow you to complete the movie he's not a man and is not honoring the agreement of his father?
...but of course as others have said, if that doesn't work and you get caught there you're screwed.
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Permission conundrum
<Reply # 19 on 11/1/2010 4:10 PM >
| | | | Posted by uLiveAndYouBurn
beat me to it. If its that important to you I bet the guy would change his mind if you paid him for access.
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+ 1, pay him $200-$300 and make it worth his while.
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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