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 Jester
  
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 20 on 8/16/2010 10:49 PM >
|  | | | My parents would stop at any abandoned anything, from buildings to mines, and take me along. Probably the earliest I remember is being somewhere between 5-7 years old. they didn't have some ulterior motive to protect themselves, it was just what they did. I did learn quite a bit along the way, so I'm glad they took me along to those places.
But, over 30 years later, I don't generally explore with minors, though more because I would feel very responsible for them, and I don't want to feel like I'm babysitting while exploring. If anything did go wrong though, it could definitely be worse legally, if a minor was there.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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ZenCanadian
Location: High Park, Toronto
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 21 on 8/17/2010 12:19 AM >
| | | | The other thing that came to my mind is hazards such as pcbs, asbestos, mold and the like, do they make respirators for kids that young? Also do you really want to subject kids to those hazards..?
Zen and the art of infiltration...
http://www.flikr.com/photos/zenslens
Zen is an uber explorer, a demi god of craning and purveyor of the finer things in life. |
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Loki
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 22 on 8/17/2010 12:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by ZenCanadian
The other thing that came to my mind is hazards such as pcbs, asbestos, mold and the like, do they make respirators for kids that young? Also do you really want to subject kids to those hazards..?
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Haha, Baby's First P100.
Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank | Wank |
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LAX
Location: Cincinnati
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<Reply # 23 on 8/17/2010 1:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by oldgrumpymark
yes, it should have been a "pre-dusk mission".
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I like 'Pre-Dusk Covert Operation' myself.
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Jonno23
Location: Phoenix, Az, Sector zz9 Plural Z Alpha
Gender: Male
This space for rent
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<Reply # 24 on 8/17/2010 6:25 AM >
| | | | Sweet Beezus people. I thought it was creepy when i saw little girl and guy with a camera. Then I knew it was his kid, but as i said he was just letting her run around in a place with holes in the floor and no railings. I guess I should have been more specific about this but it was definitely RUNNING. And he was just taking photos. Thats what started to bug me was thinking of when I have taken my daughter, and my first thought when she is there is definitely her safety. So, as we talked I told the guy yeah I have a daughter that I have taken out with me too, and he says "yeah, it's great if a cop shows up I bet." I asked what he meant, and he said "That's why I bring her. If a cop shows up, I will just tell him its for girl scouts or some bullshit. Who would arrest a guy for taking his kid out for some family bonding and scout crap haha."
I didn't mean to start some debate about how people raise their kids. lord knows i make my fair share of mistakes, and I definitely have let my kids do some stupid crap. Kids get hurt, and they learn from it. mine are always banged up. But the last thing I would do is take them somewhere dangerous like that and just turn away. I show them how to be safe, not just let them go run around playing in some place where they can get cut up on broken glass, or fall through a floor, cause I think it will be easier if a cop shows up. That is what I thought was the problem in the whole thing.
Now, on the subject of the "pre dusk assault" Yes, that did sound kind of weak.
I will take my lumps with that one. I promise never to use that phrase again.
Blah Blah Blah. Shut up and open the damn door.
"It's ok Officer, I watch a lot of cop shows on tv, so i am practically one of you guys." - sadly, that didn't work.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonno23/ All my photos suck. |
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Gutter Monkey
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Gender: Male
Tell me if this tickles
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<Reply # 25 on 8/17/2010 8:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by ZenCanadian
The other thing that came to my mind is hazards such as pcbs, asbestos, mold and the like, do they make respirators for kids that young?
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They even make gas masks for kids!
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splumer
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 26 on 8/17/2010 11:59 AM >
| | | | Posted by Gutter Monkey
They even make gas masks for kids!
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That's just creepy.
On the ethics question, until your child is old/mature enough to make her own decision on whether or not to enter an abandonment, I think it's child endangerment. This depends on the location, of course.
“We are not going to have the kind of cooperation we need if everyone insists on their own narrow version of reality. … the great divide in the world today … is between people who have the courage to listen and those who are convinced that they already know it all.”
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BubbaGump
Location: MA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 27 on 8/17/2010 12:25 PM >
| | | | Posted by Gutter Monkey
They even make gas masks for kids!
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OH MY GAWD! Are these available in adult sizes?!? Other disney characters?!?
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Gutter Monkey
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Gender: Male
Tell me if this tickles
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<Reply # 28 on 8/17/2010 12:35 PM >
| | | | Posted by BubbaGump
OH MY GAWD! Are these available in adult sizes?!?
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They are if you're a Russian cop!
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MutantMandias
  
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
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<Reply # 29 on 8/17/2010 3:03 PM >
| | | | My daughter, when she was 3.
[last edit 8/17/2010 3:03 PM by MutantMandias - edited 1 times]
mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
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Felonious Monk
Location: Between Bridgeport and Branford
Gender: Male
This text is personal.
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<Reply # 30 on 8/17/2010 5:03 PM >
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Man, look at her, already geared up for a pre-dusk assault and everything. How cute!
"i've been trying for almost a year to get Colfax to one of my events to give it some credibility" - bfinan0
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don_corleyone
Location: F/RoX
Gender: Male
I have abandonment issues
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<Reply # 31 on 8/17/2010 5:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by Felonious Monk
Man, look at her, already geared up for a pre-dusk assault and everything. How cute!
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only thing she's missing is her nunchucks, for times of danger.
leave the gun. take the cannoli.
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Capt Canada
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 32 on 8/17/2010 7:16 PM >
| | | | When I was twelve my whole family explored abandoned soviet bases in eastern Europe. I'm great full that my mom let us go.
These are some blurry screen shots. In them my 80 something grandfather was the oldest, and the youngest was a three year old cousin.
The three year old
My sister and uncle heading underground
Found an RPG7 warhead
My grandfather in one of the SAM bays (for a S-125, aka NATO SA-3 Goa)
Then we found the two soldiers who guarded the base, they were kind enough to show us their AK. Note my twelve year old cousin and the loaded mag attached.
I survived and am really glad I had the opportunity. Our family vacation kind of evolved into a UE vacation of abandoned soviet crap. This was only one of dozens of sites we explored.
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
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<Reply # 33 on 8/17/2010 8:10 PM >
| | | | I am going to make sure that you get taken away from you parents.
mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
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PaleAle
Location: Florida
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 34 on 8/17/2010 8:18 PM >
| | | | lol, what so lame about all this is that I can tell that all the people here talking shit about taking your kids along.....DON'T HAVE KIDS.
typical.
I got into UE from my dad...who took me....when I was very young. Please don't take me from my parents!
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Capt Canada
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 35 on 8/17/2010 11:13 PM >
| | | | I live 3000km away from my parents and I'm a little old now to be taken away from them... those screen shots are from 1993.
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earthworm
Location: General Area
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 36 on 8/18/2010 12:46 AM >
| | | | "Pre-dusk Cocaine Fueled Orgy"
Tourism, human circulation considered as consumption is fundamentally nothing more than the leisure of going to see what has become banal. |
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