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 redcarnation81
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Deceive, Inveigle, Obfuscate
 |  | Kodak Building 9 Fire
< on 8/9/2010 8:30 PM >
|  | | | Although this seems like a weekly event, looks like Kodak may not be around for much longer given the publicity these fires and vandalism is attracting to the safety-conscious public.
http://www.cp24.co...0809/?hub=CP24Home
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Air
      
Location: Canada
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 1 on 8/9/2010 9:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by redcarnation81
Although this seems like a weekly event, looks like Kodak may not be around for much longer given the publicity these fires and vandalism is attracting to the safety-conscious public.
http://www.cp24.co...0809/?hub=CP24Home
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Does anyone remember how amazing this complex was? Its a shame that the only building that's left (and looked great before) is this trashed.
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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Rust
  
I am a rustbucket
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 2 on 8/9/2010 10:20 PM >
| | | | Yes, I remember well. 22 buildings of sheer awesomeness. I find it embarrassing that the building was allowed to deteriorate this badly, especially when it was supposed to be preserved as a historical landmark. It's now in such bad shape that it's clearly going to be demolished.
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spoonifur
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Gender: Female
| |  | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 3 on 8/9/2010 10:28 PM >
| | | | We were just in there Sunday afternoon checking it out, we met some nice people looking around too. The only direction that building is going in is down, I couldn't believe how gross the insides were. Bye bye.
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ZenCanadian
Location: High Park, Toronto
Gender: Male
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 4 on 8/10/2010 12:23 AM >
| | | | It's a shame that a place designated a heritage building is allowed to get to this point.
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Lars
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
| |  | | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 5 on 8/10/2010 4:21 AM >
| | | | I can't say that this really deserves to be a heritage building. It looks pretty plain to me, it's not particularly visible, the stairs are kinda neat, but that's all I can see. Maybe it was designed by an architect whom later became famous?
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msgsudz
Location: Peterborough, Ontario
Gender: Male
Msgsudz has an overactive bowel and shits like a Clydesdale.
| | | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 6 on 8/10/2010 5:04 AM >
| | | | heritage building? wow...that place is gonna be rubble soon...that or ash.
"She's built like a steakhouse, but handles like a bistro!" - Zapp Brannigan
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M. Fuzzy
Location: GTA
Gender: Male
Machine Gun Bunnies!
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 7 on 8/10/2010 6:22 AM >
| | | | Posted by cRoN
I can't say that this really deserves to be a heritage building. It looks pretty plain to me, it's not particularly visible, the stairs are kinda neat, but that's all I can see. Maybe it was designed by an architect whom later became famous?
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I think it's a heritage building because Kodak was a major and highly regarded employer in the area for years (people actually wanted to work there), rather than for any kind of stunning architecture or building design. It's a part of the area's history. Maybe the powers that be figured it was in decent shape (at the time) and would be feasible for readaptive use.
They could have just torn it down and built houses or a Best Buy over it and forgotten about it. They could do that with every building or factory that's plain-jane or "doesn't look historic" and not have much in the way of history left over. Is historic to be judged based on building design and architecture alone, or what the building represents or represented?
[last edit 8/10/2010 6:24 AM by M. Fuzzy - edited 2 times]
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 8 on 8/10/2010 1:18 PM >
| | | | A four year old discussion, pulled from Kendall's site :
http://fb.invisibl...m/the_kodak_moment
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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redcarnation81
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Deceive, Inveigle, Obfuscate
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 9 on 8/10/2010 6:00 PM >
| | | | In Febraury the TTC rejected extending the Eglinton LRT beyond Black Creek Drive and Metris (the Kodak property owners) were already discontent with the city expropriating land for a new TTC yard.
Metris is intent on redevelopment for big box stores at some point in the future. Without a definitive plan or preservation efforts, and with the building in the hands of a developer, it is likely it will be demolished in time.
It certainly does not help the situation when the site is full of Saturday afternoon arsonists.
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ZenCanadian
Location: High Park, Toronto
Gender: Male
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 10 on 8/10/2010 6:42 PM >
| | | | Just did a quick drive over and there is a crew boarding the building up again. Can see the fire damage on the buildings lower front left side.
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Rust
I am a rustbucket
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 11 on 8/11/2010 12:17 AM >
| | | | Posted by cRoN
I can't say that this really deserves to be a heritage building. It looks pretty plain to me, it's not particularly visible, the stairs are kinda neat, but that's all I can see. Maybe it was designed by an architect whom later became famous?
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The building has historical significance. It is the only remaining building of the original Kodak facility, built in the early 1900s.
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bandi
 
Lippy Mechanic Bastard
Location: Trent Hills, ON
Gender: Male
A liminal mind is all I've ever known.
| |  | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 12 on 8/11/2010 1:14 AM >
| | | | Posted by cRoN
I can't say that this really deserves to be a heritage building. It looks pretty plain to me, it's not particularly visible, the stairs are kinda neat, but that's all I can see. Maybe it was designed by an architect whom later became famous?
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Any building with an elevator that sexy deserves the designation.
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Lars
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 13 on 8/11/2010 2:04 AM >
| | | | I can't say I'm convinced by those arguments, just because it's old and people liked working there does not make it that special does it? Maybe as one of those jobs where they keep one of the original walls, I could see that working for the front. I guess this just means that it will stay up for a nice long time, which is a good thing for UE.
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redcarnation81
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Deceive, Inveigle, Obfuscate
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 14 on 8/11/2010 5:16 PM >
| | | | From the Ontario Heritage Act:
7.(d) to preserve, maintain, reconstruct, restore and manage property of historical, architectural, archaeological, recreational, aesthetic, natural and scenic interest;
This the mandate of the Ontario Heritage Trust. Whether or not a building is considered 'special' is up to the public to decide. It is easy to determine if a certain architectural style is unique or common, but designation invariably incorporates the historical context. Kodak is not necessarily a unique building architecturally, but this (or a warehouse, or whatever remaining building it could have been) represents the heritage and culture of the neighbourhood - the factory complex which once employed over 3,000 local residents.
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 15 on 8/11/2010 5:50 PM >
| | | | Posted by redcarnation81
From the Ontario Heritage Act:
7.(d) to preserve, maintain, reconstruct, restore and manage property of historical, architectural, archaeological, recreational, aesthetic, natural and scenic interest;
This the mandate of the Ontario Heritage Trust. Whether or not a building is considered 'special' is up to the public to decide. It is easy to determine if a certain architectural style is unique or common, but designation invariably incorporates the historical context. Kodak is not necessarily a unique building architecturally, but this (or a warehouse, or whatever remaining building it could have been) represents the heritage and culture of the neighbourhood - the factory complex which once employed over 3,000 local residents.
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They really should keep it because much of the other industry that was in that area, Phillips, and the Weston CCM plant, was torn down over 40 years ago.
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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ellinas81
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 16 on 8/12/2010 3:45 AM >
| | | | Building 9 would have been a cool Loft project, sort of like Tip Top Tailors. It has character, I really hope they don't tear it down and use it as an element for design for any new project planned there. I drove by it the other day. Was on Black Creek and it caught my eye, was like so this is the famous building 9. There is something unique about it. Can't explain it.
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msgsudz
Location: Peterborough, Ontario
Gender: Male
Msgsudz has an overactive bowel and shits like a Clydesdale.
| | | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 17 on 8/12/2010 5:41 AM >
| | | | Posted by ellinas81
Building 9 would have been a cool Loft project, sort of like Tip Top Tailors. It has character, I really hope they don't tear it down and use it as an element for design for any new project planned there. I drove by it the other day. Was on Black Creek and it caught my eye, was like so this is the famous building 9. There is something unique about it. Can't explain it.
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i highly doubt they can use the building now...it was in horrible shape when i was there last November...can't imagine how bad it is now.
"She's built like a steakhouse, but handles like a bistro!" - Zapp Brannigan
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amandie
Location: South Brook, Newfoundland
Gender: Female
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 18 on 8/12/2010 6:20 AM >
|  | | | Posted by msgsudz
i highly doubt they can use the building now...it was in horrible shape when i was there last November...can't imagine how bad it is now.
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I agree with you 100% that building has seen better days and with the condition of this building it would cost too much to fix it so it is 'usable' again.... another building to meet it's grave?
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Intrinsic
Location: Collingwood
Gender: Male
| | Re: Kodak Building 9 Fire
<Reply # 19 on 8/12/2010 6:36 AM >
| | | | Posted by amandie
I agree with you 100% that building has seen better days and with the condition of this building it would cost too much to fix it so it is 'usable' again.... another building to meet it's grave?
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This is the cyclic pattern that buildings go through. Normally you explore towards the end stages but in a few instances (eg. Sundial Inn, Millbrook, Camp 30 and Kodak) some were able to see them from the early stages...
Pristine -> Vandalism -> Tagging -> Extreme Vandalism -> Arson
All the while new boards are put up and old board are ripped down... if it's able to burn, the outcome is not a good one.
Then we have the exception to the rule: CFB Edgar which is kind of midway through the cycle as there is active security. A complete waste of money but for some reason the ORC believes that someone will purchase the buildings. The cost to bring them up to health and fire code would be very expensive.
It must have been amazing, just amazing, to see Kodak when all the buildings were standing. :sigh:
edit: cantfu**ingspell
[last edit 8/12/2010 6:40 AM by Intrinsic - edited 2 times]
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