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 Chud
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<Reply # 20 on 4/8/2003 4:09 PM >
|  | | | Handley Mill down here in Roanoke, AL, is all but collapsed, and no one at all cares about it. It is locked up with cheap master locks, and there is a place that isn't visible to anyone where I feel a swift kick would be ideal, but the fact that there is residential areas all around makes the noise too risky. I will have to resort to a nice climb over a barbed wire wrapped ladder, and then dropping in from above.
Nobody will not agree with the Russians, ever on anything.
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9mmPKR
Location: Independence Missouri
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 21 on 4/9/2003 6:21 PM >
| | | | It is hard to use at first, since you cant see the other side of the door, but once you get used to it, it can be done in less than 10-15 seconds!
or you can find on page four of my site...
http://groups.msn.com/UrbanExplorationandInfiltration/shoebox.msnw
IG- 9mmPKR |
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DNAThiefX
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Gaining Access to Locked Doors...
<Reply # 23 on 5/5/2003 8:55 PM >
| | | | of course, if you're desperate you could always break down the door, but thats risky. but to do this you just have to give a strong kick above the doorknob.
Think Stealthy, Act Stealthy, Live Stealthly. |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 24 on 5/5/2003 9:05 PM >
| | | | Kicking in a door is not anything I would consider...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
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<Reply # 25 on 5/6/2003 3:14 AM >
| | | | Posted by DNAThiefX
of course, if you're desperate you could always break down the door, but thats risky. but to do this you just have to give a strong kick above the doorknob.
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That's breaking and entering. It doesn't belong here. I'm beginning to see a lot of discussion of B&E stuff on the boards. I don't like it. UE is not supposed to damage the places you go. If the tidbits and advice about breaking and entering behavior continue, it is one more reason for authorities to think unhighly of us. Please don't let that happen.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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Pyrodesiac
Location: NL, Canada
Gender: Male
TNT can make a dull day fun!
| |  | Re: Gaining Access to Locked Doors...
<Reply # 26 on 5/6/2003 6:37 PM >
| | | | Okay. I totally agree with that, and, contrary to what certain people seem to think, I don't knock down walls, blow up buildings, etc. But, what do you think of other things? E.G. Boards. Would you crowbar them off if there was no other way in?
Only turkies have left wings.
Happiness is a belt-fed weapon. |
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Capone
Location: London, Ontario
Gender: Male
UEL
| | | Re: Gaining Access to Locked Doors...
<Reply # 27 on 5/6/2003 7:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krazy
Posted by DNAThiefX
of course, if you're desperate you could always break down the door, but thats risky. but to do this you just have to give a strong kick above the doorknob.
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That's breaking and entering. It doesn't belong here. I'm beginning to see a lot of discussion of B&E stuff on the boards. I don't like it. UE is not supposed to damage the places you go. If the tidbits and advice about breaking and entering behavior continue, it is one more reason for authorities to think unhighly of us. Please don't let that happen.
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Agreed.
And to Pyrodesiac: Likely not. At UEL we have never yet had to "break into" anything. Not even prying off boards. There's always been another way in. Maybe we're just lucky. Although with that said, there's places we know of where we would more than likely have to pry off a board of whatever to enter, but at the same time those places also have so much security that we aren't going to try either.
So there I was, in this creepy old hallway... |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Gaining Access to Locked Doors...
<Reply # 28 on 5/6/2003 8:11 PM >
| | | | I don't think there is anything wrong with unscrewing something to get in, but prying or breaking is not. Our general rule is, if we can seal it the way it was before we got there, then it's ok, if not, then no
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
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<Reply # 29 on 5/6/2003 8:37 PM >
| | | | As for the prying of boards issue, my rule of thumb would be this: If you can remove it, enter/exit/whatever, then replace it exactly as it was (not just so it looks like it was, but the same way), then go for it. If you have to pry nails out or cut bolts or welds or something, then I wouldn't do it.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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Pyrodesiac
Location: NL, Canada
Gender: Male
TNT can make a dull day fun!
| | | Re: Gaining Access to Locked Doors...
<Reply # 30 on 5/6/2003 10:42 PM >
| | | | True that. I always have a screwdriver, wrench, etc with me. I don't bother to bring bolt-cutters, blowtorches, etc. You can fix pried boards, though. It's easier on doors. You know when they just nail the door shut? If you pry it open, you can force it back nailed with a few good blows. Open, explore, close. No damage. I've been known to do that.
Only turkies have left wings.
Happiness is a belt-fed weapon. |
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SPUI
Location: MIT
| | | Re: Gaining Access to Locked Doors...
<Reply # 31 on 5/8/2003 10:47 AM >
| | | | Posted by Krazy
as for lockpicking, I'd like to see you actually pick a real in-the-door lock in under 10 minutes. That takes a locksmith with more specialized toola than you are going to scare up. There are bad consequences for being caught trespassing with lockpicking tools. Probably worse than for being caught having kicked in a door. think about that.
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I can't pick locks worth crap (all I've done is a one-pin master), but I've seen older Yale bicentric locks picked in under a minute. It just takes practice. At MIT there are many people that pick locks while hacking (our term for UE); the usual method is to have scouts at every possible entrance to the area, with someone standing next to the lockpicker and watching the scouts for signals. This is used whenever opening a locked door. Other methods include carding (using a stiff but flexible card, like a credit card, on the latch mechanism), or sliding (using an L-shaped piece of brickstrap to get at the other side of the latch). Carding and sliding only work on older doors without a special pin that prevents the latch from moving when pushed in. Carding is done on door that open away from you and sliding on doors that open towards you.
Sometimes it is possible to unscrew a grate in the bottom of the door; this was the only real way into a room (which led to storage spaces under steps) because it was card-guarded and the lock was a Primus.
There's also the possibility of an alternate entrance; going over the wall or through a drop ceiling sometimes works, as does going through a duct.
The problem with removing hinges is that you can't quickly return it to normal if someone is approaching.
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Gaining Access to Locked Doors...
<Reply # 32 on 5/8/2003 3:24 PM >
| | | | Posted by SPUI
Carding and sliding only work on older doors without a special pin that prevents the latch from moving when pushed in. Carding is done on door that open away from you and sliding on doors that open towards you.
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I have found several doors during my "career" that had the safety pin and could still be opened. It is all a key of the gap between the doorframe and the door being large enough. Sometimes this occurs naturally (then you just card it like normal) and sometimes you can push the door towards the hinges and have someone else push the frame the opposite direction to flex everything enough for it to work. I imagine a small prying tool would work great for this, but I wouldn't feel good carrying a crowbar.
The ceiling trick is legit too. In high school, I know guys that did theater and would spy on the girls' dressing room using this method.\
In case someone doesn't understand the idea, sometimes walls do not extend all the way to the real ceiling above a suspended tile ceiling. If you have the means, slide a tile aside and look at the wall above it. Even if it does go all the way up, there might be a large air duct that makes a hole through the wall. Either dismantle or somehow go through this duct and you are more or less in. Now try to get down ;) Maybe you could use this trick to unlatch a door from the inside or something rather than trying to climb back down unscathed.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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SPUI
Location: MIT
| | | Re: Gaining Access to Locked Doors...
<Reply # 33 on 5/9/2003 2:09 AM >
| | | | A really strange case was a padlocked hatch in the wall of a single occupancy bathroom. We could have picked it (I think it's a Master) but we found another way: we removed the combination paper towel dispenser/garbage can from the wall and climbed in.
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
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<Reply # 34 on 5/9/2003 1:37 PM >
| | | | Spui: If you haven't already seen it, Llook this over. Ninj used the paper towel dispenser trick to find a one-of-a-kind goodie 
http://www.infiltration.org/various-cityhall.html
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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Stochastic Probability
 
Location: Barrie
Gender: Male
Yeah, well, keep it down, okay?
| | | Re: Gaining Access to Locked Doors...
<Reply # 35 on 5/11/2003 4:38 AM >
| | | | yeah, boy this forum is heading straight into b&e territory here
as long as you can leave no trace of your passing, and you think you have the skillz, go for it. yeah, life and death situations (i.e: trapped in a room) would call for more desperate measures, however let's be realistic. it does take a long time to pick a real lock, and carrying lockpicks is a major heatscore. if you can do it, more power to you. i, like jester, suck at it (unless it can be opened with a credit card, which a surprising number of locks can be). the locks at my job can be opened with a freakin' paper clip. one. there's security.
i see no wrong in unscrewing or temporarily removing obstacles that bar enterance, but yeah, most places are fairly accessible without having to do this. if you must, replace it on the way out and all is good.
"People say that you'll die
faster than without water,
but we know it's just a lie,
scare your son, scare your daughter" |
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SPUI
Location: MIT
| | | Re: Gaining Access to Locked Doors...
<Reply # 36 on 5/12/2003 3:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by tunnelrat
yeah, boy this forum is heading straight into b&e territory here |
I guess I should make it clear that we always put everything back as it was.
Posted by tunnelrat
as long as you can leave no trace of your passing, and you think you have the skillz, go for it. yeah, life and death situations (i.e: trapped in a room) would call for more desperate measures, however let's be realistic. it does take a long time to pick a real lock, and carrying lockpicks is a major heatscore.
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What some people here do is hide them in a ballpoint pen.
Posted by tunnelrat
i see no wrong in unscrewing or temporarily removing obstacles that bar enterance, but yeah, most places are fairly accessible without having to do this. if you must, replace it on the way out and all is good.
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Definitely agreed. Always leave everything as you found it (and if something seems to be wrong try to anonymously contact the people in charge). If not for ethical reasons, do it because they're less likely to beef up security if they don't know people go there.
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Stochastic Probability
Location: Barrie
Gender: Male
Yeah, well, keep it down, okay?
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<Reply # 37 on 5/13/2003 6:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by SPUI
Definitely agreed. Always leave everything as you found it (and if something seems to be wrong try to anonymously contact the people in charge). If not for ethical reasons, do it because they're less likely to beef up security if they don't know people go there.
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thanks for agreeing very good point, if something seems amiss royally, try and contact whoever owns/admins the place (if known or possible), especially on a live target, just so a) they can deal with it, and hopefully not by adding security and b) we want these places in good condition. where's the fun if they're all trashed?
"People say that you'll die
faster than without water,
but we know it's just a lie,
scare your son, scare your daughter" |
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theevilshiftkey
Location: Tucson, AZ
Gender: Male
| | Re: Gaining Access to Locked Doors...
<Reply # 38 on 5/16/2003 11:35 AM >
| | | | What some people here do is hide them in a ballpoint pen.
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But have any of them been caught and gotten away with this? The pen idea is pretty good (although I don't know where the heck you would put the tension wrench) but I can easily imagine the cops simply unscrewing the pen to examine it and... whoopsy! Felony time! Cops aren't dumb... well some of them.
I've had this idea for quite a while now of a credit card sized object I could keep in my wallet to store a few select picks. I used to just keep the picks in my wallet bare, but had a set confiscated at the airport when I forgot to take them out. I feel lucky that they didn't come down hard on me, but I guess BFE airport security doesn't know what a pick set looks like. ("Look Biorn, some pieces of metal")
For those of you that haven't tried picking, it's easier than everybody trys to make you believe. I can pick most door locks in less than 2 minutes and I can litterally pick my front door at home in less than 30 seconds. Cheap or old locks practically open themselves. Padlocks are usually a lot harder, but there are other tools for opening those. If you're interested in giving it a try, get a really small set of picks and an old deadbolt door lock from somewhere to practice on. You won't spend more than $40US on the experiment.
For the record, I have never opened a lock that I wasn't the owner of or was invited to open by the owner. I just wanted to learn it because I have a James Bond complex. 
-Key, Evil Shift Key
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Pyrodesiac
Location: NL, Canada
Gender: Male
TNT can make a dull day fun!
| | | Re: Gaining Access to Locked Doors...
<Reply # 39 on 5/17/2003 2:43 PM >
| | | | Wait a tic. If you were picked up for tresspassing, why would they want to take apart a pen to examine it?
Only turkies have left wings.
Happiness is a belt-fed weapon. |
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