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 Breach
  
Location: Louisville, KY
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 20 on 11/28/2011 1:06 AM >
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you're placing too much faith in the Sheeple Breach. Jury are easily shanghaied to go either way, hate to break it to you but there are a lot of idiots out there and they don't just select the smart people for the jury.
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(I forget who this quote is from)
"When you go into court you are putting yourself in the hands of 12 people that weren’t smart enough to get out of jury duty. "
"I set the bar high, it makes it easier to sneak under." -J.D. Jenkins |
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Jonno23
  
Location: Phoenix, Az, Sector zz9 Plural Z Alpha
Gender: Male
This space for rent
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<Reply # 21 on 1/22/2012 7:58 PM >
| | | | It is NOT against the law for them to search your phone. The supreme court just ruled on this a couple months ago. And guess what else? If your smart phone is connected / synched to your home computer, they can search those files remotely. Any thing you can access by your phone can be searched. Then if they want records, they have the probable cause for a search warrant right there.
Best bet, leave your phone at home, or where they cant find it if busted, and go back for it later.
Blah Blah Blah. Shut up and open the damn door.
"It's ok Officer, I watch a lot of cop shows on tv, so i am practically one of you guys." - sadly, that didn't work.
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Fl1k3r
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 22 on 1/22/2012 9:02 PM >
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(I forget who this quote is from)
"When you go into court you are putting yourself in the hands of 12 people that weren’t smart enough to get out of jury duty. "
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hahaha i don't think it could be said any better
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."
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D-Forreal
Location: Providence, RI
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 23 on 2/6/2012 1:28 PM >
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And if by chance you do get caught, having the scanner compounds charges. Makes a simple trespass violation into a felony. That's why i don't bother with em.
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With the sole exception of your state (Kentucky), having a valid amateur radio operator license gets you out of restrictions concerning the possession of a scanner. They're free, and fairly easy to get (take a test on basic radio theory and you can get a technician class license which provides sufficient privileges for UE purposes)
Any decent amateur radio that operates on VHF bands can usually receive (if not transmit) on almost any frequency that a scanner could, and legally it's not a scanner.
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AnAppleSnail
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
Gender: Male
ALL the flashlights!
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<Reply # 24 on 2/6/2012 1:51 PM >
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With the sole exception of your state (Kentucky), having a valid amateur radio operator license gets you out of restrictions concerning the possession of a scanner. They're free, and fairly easy to get (take a test on basic radio theory and you can get a technician class license which provides sufficient privileges for UE purposes)
Any decent amateur radio that operates on VHF bands can usually receive (if not transmit) on almost any frequency that a scanner could, and legally it's not a scanner.
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Use of a scanner in the commission of a crime is a crime. Some guys got jailed for tweeting what the scanner app on the computer said, just because their tweets were followed by phones of others who got arrested.
Arrest Alex, whose phone follows Bill.
Bill tweeted police scanner reports and is arrested. Woo.
Achievement Unlocked
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D-Forreal
Location: Providence, RI
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 25 on 2/6/2012 6:46 PM >
| | | | Posted by AnAppleSnail
Use of a scanner in the commission of a crime is a crime. Some guys got jailed for tweeting what the scanner app on the computer said, just because their tweets were followed by phones of others who got arrested.
Arrest Alex, whose phone follows Bill.
Bill tweeted police scanner reports and is arrested. Woo.
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I'd love to see the eventual outcome of that one. Arresting a micro-blogger because of who follows their postings? I'm sure the ACLU would have a field day with that one.
Regardless, A scanner is not an amateur radio. possession of an amateur two-way (emphasis here on two-way, thats what makes it not a scanner) radio you are licensed to use, on the frequencies you are authorized to use, is not a crime.
Anywhere in the US, if you are a licensed amateur operator, you can possess and operate your two-way radio, on your person, in the car or in your home.
Period. Your federal license grants you that.
The nature of these radios (especially the higher end ones) allow them to transmit and receive on a broader range of frequencies than the licensed amateur band. It is technically an FCC violation to transmit outside of the licensed band, but it is not to receive. This is why the exemptions exist.
All of the relevant statutes in states where they exist refer to "receiving or interfering with the transmission of" transmissions "on frequencies allocated for police use".
The FCC has actually ruled in favor of the amateur radio community on this one, Federal Regulations preempt any state statute regarding the possession and lawful use (by which I mean "operating on licensed frequencies") of amateur radio equipment that can operate outside of licensed amateur bands.
Don't store the frequencies you're listening to in your handheld two-way radio, and there's *no possible way* for an LEO to know you were using the radio outside of licensed amateur frequencies, as long as you dont transmit.
Unless you get caught in the act, of course.
[last edit 2/6/2012 6:56 PM by D-Forreal - edited 1 times]
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vividdecay
Location: Baltimore
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 26 on 4/5/2012 5:58 PM >
| | | | Quick thing, not all scanners pick up everything the police say. Certain police will use certain frequency's to stop things like that. Also, I'd recommend buying a digital scanner. My city just converted to full digital. When the police are responding to serious crimes a good bit of the time they will switch to a tactical frequency so they know no one else can easily use a scanner to avoid them. Just a heads up.
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SuchundFind
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 27 on 4/5/2012 8:42 PM >
| | | | Posted by D-Forreal
It is technically an FCC violation to transmit outside of the licensed band, but it is not to receive. This is why the exemptions exist.
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There is of course an exception from the rule.
If you are making a distress call, you can use any frequency on any band your radio can transmit on.
You don't even need a license to do so.
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HomeFree1984
Location: Michigan
Gender: Male
Not safe for human exposure? Opps!
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<Reply # 28 on 4/5/2012 9:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by OhioExploration
You would think that's the case, but in many states the police can search your phone without needing a warrant. If you refuse to unlock your phone, you could be charged with obstruction or something similar. It is probably best to check your state's laws just to make sure. And for the record, I'm not supporting the warrantless searches or laws against using scanners, I just want to make sure fellow UERs know about them.
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I've been questioned by the police before (not actually in trouble), and they took my phone, plugged in their device, downloaded all the information, and then asked me for permission to look through the phone itself. *shakes head*
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Moderate
Location: Ottawa, ON
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 29 on 4/5/2012 10:21 PM >
| | | | I used to own a scanner before I got into exploring, but our local police force has special frequencies that I can't gain access to with a scanner. I was able to listen to Paramedic, Transit, Weather Network, and Fire Department transmissions. The only reason I had one was to find out where major crime scenes were so I could go take photos. Not having a vehicle, I couldn't get to locations quickly enough so I sold it.
Back on topic though, I don't think that an actual physical scanner would be a good thing to bring with you when exploring; you can only listen to one frequency at a time, it's extra unnecessary weight, and if you get caught with it (even if legal where you live) you'll have a lot of explaining to do. The phone app could be worth getting, assuming you're exploring in an area with cell reception.
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vividdecay
Location: Baltimore
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 30 on 4/6/2012 3:31 AM >
| | | | Posted by Moderate
I used to own a scanner before I got into exploring, but our local police force has special frequencies that I can't gain access to with a scanner. I was able to listen to Paramedic, Transit, Weather Network, and Fire Department transmissions. The only reason I had one was to find out where major crime scenes were so I could go take photos. Not having a vehicle, I couldn't get to locations quickly enough so I sold it.
Back on topic though, I don't think that an actual physical scanner would be a good thing to bring with you when exploring; you can only listen to one frequency at a time, it's extra unnecessary weight, and if you get caught with it (even if legal where you live) you'll have a lot of explaining to do. The phone app could be worth getting, assuming you're exploring in an area with cell reception.
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Sounds like they may have switched to digital. All the phone apps I've gotten though crash a lot.
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SuchundFind
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 31 on 4/7/2012 9:10 PM >
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you can only listen to one frequency at a time, it's extra unnecessary weight
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It's called trunking
http://en.wikipedi...unked_radio_system
This way a large city can use a small amount of channels and doesn't need to license more of them. Lubbock, Texas has for example 12 channels but at least 100 radios online at the same time.
A digital scanner can do this without problems.
A little story I read in the ham radio magazine.
A ham radio guy was stopped by the police, maybe because he had an antenna farm on his vehicle. This in general shouldn't be a reason to stop him, but this was one of the states that doesn't allow scanners.
So he showed his ham radio license together with his DL and insurance.
Cop: Can you listen to police frequencies?
Ham: Sure, what frequency do you want that I listen to?
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Even ham radios can be used as trunking scanners, and it's quite easy to hide this under the 200 other programmable features that are there, so become a ham, and program you dual band HT to it.
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SuchundFind
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 32 on 4/13/2012 2:45 AM >
| | | | Look at this page, they have dispatch online, so a friend could listen to it and send you a txt in case they hear about your location:
http://www.radioreference.com
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ILexplorer
Location: Northern Illinois
Man is born, man lives, man dies, and it's all vanity
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<Reply # 33 on 5/21/2012 5:39 AM >
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I have this old school "world band" radio that I used to listen to occasionally.. This seems weird as hell, but I can hear airplane traffic, but I can't hear any of the emergency frequencies...
But more on topic... with the laws going more and more towards favoring the side of the police, I won't even download a scanner app. I've known cops to immediately grab phones and start going through them, and just having the scanner app could make the difference between being let go and getting charged. I think you'd definitely be best off having a friend monitor from a remote location.
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SuchundFind
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 34 on 5/21/2012 8:32 PM >
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I have this old school "world band" radio that I used to listen to occasionally.. This seems weird as hell, but I can hear airplane traffic, but I can't hear any of the emergency frequencies... |
As said before, PD is using trunking, as cities use small amounts of frequencies for a large amount of workers.
On the other hand, it's important that each airplane can listen to all the traffic around him. In case someone makes, or to relay weak signals.
So these are tow different things. You can't compare air traffic with city trunking traffic.
Posted by ILexplorer
But more on topic... with the laws going more and more towards favoring the side of the police, I won't even download a scanner app. I've known cops to immediately grab phones and start going through them, and just having the scanner app could make the difference between being let go and getting charged. I think you'd definitely be best off having a friend monitor from a remote location.
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That's why you can use a web page to listen to it. Besides this you are protected against self incrimination, so encrypt your cell phone and wait until they hack the 128 BIT AES encryption. I would love to see a LEO do to this on the street.
Still afraid, stream the audio only from an external sources to your phone.
They would need a search warrant to access the computer you are streaming from.
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ILexplorer
Location: Northern Illinois
Man is born, man lives, man dies, and it's all vanity
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<Reply # 35 on 5/21/2012 9:58 PM >
| | | | I live in Illinois, the cops here don't know the meaning of "search warrant" or "innocent until proven guilty," and things along those lines. The judges are worse, they all have something to prove. Yes an illegal search and seizure could get thrown out in court... but only after I pay some immoral douchebag 5 grand to show up 15 minutes late to 5 separate 5 minute court dates.
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