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 Lexi
       
Location: Oslo, Norway
Gender: Female
I'm getting old.
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<Reply # 20 on 4/6/2010 2:46 AM >
|  | | | Posted by el nerdo
And that would have probably been the case if the city didn't send 4 fire trucks, dozens of firefighters and the press didn't show up.
The charge was levied due to the exposure; that's it.
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It's like we're all still in Kindergarten and the teacher needs to make an example out of a few students.
Still sucks, hopefully they can negotiate it down.
[15:00:33] <SeeThirty> cause you're not likely to be anywhere that other people haven't been who didn't have protection
[15:00:41] <SeeThirty> still better safe than lexi |
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fedge
Location: Gaud Corners, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
you blight up my life™®
| |  | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 21 on 4/6/2010 2:53 AM >
| | | | Posted by yokes
Originally, and subsequently, it was. |
It shouldn't be treated as sensitive information. It's on all the news services now, across the world after all.
18-odd Years Of UER-ing! |
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| |  | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 22 on 4/6/2010 2:55 AM >
| | | | Available elsewhere or not, I think that there a is degree of common respect/courtesy that can be afforded fellow explorers on here (as has been the custom until now).
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"Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel |
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fedge
Location: Gaud Corners, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
you blight up my life™®
| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 23 on 4/6/2010 3:03 AM >
| | | | Posted by yokes
Available elsewhere or not, I think that there a is degree of common respect/courtesy that can be afforded fellow explorers on here (as has been the custom until now). |
That's silly. The information is posted publicly now and it's a moot point whether we post it here.
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insanedArk
Location: GTA
Gender: Male
| | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 24 on 4/6/2010 3:26 AM >
| | | | Posted by yokes
there a is degree of common respect/courtesy that can be afforded fellow explorers
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+1
Stay tuned for Exploring the World with Insane Dick! |
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 25 on 4/6/2010 3:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by fedge
That's silly. The information is posted publicly now and it's a moot point whether we post it here.
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I respectfully disagree.
"Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel |
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Steed
 
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 26 on 4/6/2010 5:01 AM >
| | | | Kowalski and Micro according to Jono.
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 27 on 4/6/2010 10:45 AM >
| | | | Posted by fedge
That's silly. The information is posted publicly now and it's a moot point whether we post it here.
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He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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Steed
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 28 on 4/6/2010 10:53 AM >
| | | | Let's not make it easier to find out their identities and past misdeeds in case they're members on here.
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Axle
Location: Milton, ON
Gender: Male
Sieg oder Tod
| | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 29 on 4/6/2010 11:27 AM >
| | | | Made it to the front page of the GTA section in the Toronto Star Today.
Two men arrested for late-night foray into sewers
Urban explorers seek to document the forgotten world below the surface
Published On Mon Apr 05 2010
In search of our urban mythology
Katie Daubs Staff Reporters
Dale Anne Freed
When two men were arrested for taking a stroll in the sewers on Sunday, police were flummoxed.
“That’s not normal, people going down into the sewers,” said Det. Dan Murphy at 14 Division. “Why are they going down into the sewers?”
Well, it really doesn’t smell that bad, according to one of the men arrested.
“For the most part it isn’t toilet waste, which makes up a small part of the stream,” [redacted] told the Daily Commercial News and Construction Record last month. “It’s mostly water from showers, baths and dishwashers, which gives off a kind of soapy, organic smell, which isn’t unpleasant.”
[redacted], 27, of Toronto, and [redacted], 35, of Montreal were arrested Sunday after a perplexed citizen saw them enter the sewer near Ossington Ave. and Dundas St. W. Both face charges of mischief to interfere with property.
“I don’t feel comfortable commenting on this event just yet until it’s been resolved in court,” [redacted] wrote in an email on Monday. Emails to [redacted] were not returned.
Both men are urban explorers and photographers. [redacted] runs www.vanishingpoint.ca, and [redacted] runs www.undermontreal.com Both have explored drains for several years and most recently, the men were exploring the sewers that replaced Garrison Creek, in the western section of downtown.
Urban exploration is a hobby and subculture where people venture into drains, abandoned buildings and infrastructure to photograph the forgotten past and unseen workings of a city. Some ask permission, some don’t.
“It’s illegal what we do unfortunately” said a Toronto photographer acquaintance of [redacted] and [redacted], who’s accompanied them twice to the sewers that don’t smell as bad as you’d think.
“We don’t do this to break the law,” said the fellow explorer who did not want his name used. “It’s about urban cartography, viewing the city that isn’t visualized through streets and other landmarks.”
He said they are usually outfitted with hip waders and goggles, and always listen to the weather forecast to make sure there’s no rain.
Urban exploration can be deadly. In 2009, a man lost his life after he was swept into the Mississippi River when the tunnel he was exploring in Minneapolis-St. Paul filled with rainwater. Another urban explorer on the same venture survived.
“We take every precaution necessary to keep ourselves safe,” the photographer said. “Every time it rains obviously those pipes are going to fill up and are potentially dangerous.”
In a 2007 interview with a U.S. blog, [redacted] said he once ran into trouble while navigating the “surge spillways” that “spiral downwards” at the Ontario Generating Station in the Niagara Region. [redacted] said he lost his footing and slid 60 metres to the bottom.
“I was very lucky to come away from that with just a few friction burns and a sprained thumb,” he told BLDGBLOG.
Although many urban explorers publish their photos under aliases, [redacted] and [redacted] have always been up front about their identities on their respective websites.
[redacted] has said he’s explored Montreal’s sewer and waste water system for three years without any repercussions.
“In fact, I’ve received positive responses from a wide range of people, including historians, engineers, architects, community planners, the media, artists and even local politicians,” he said.
[redacted] has said most urban explorers aren’t interested in “undergrounding” because it can be kilometres on end of “featureless pipe.”
Troy Paiva, a San Francisco photographer who wrote Night Vision: The Art of Urban Exploration, has other reasons to stay above ground.
“I don’t do functioning infrastructure. I find it’s too easy to get thrown in jail,” he said.
Paiva has run into police, property owners and people with shotguns, all telling him to scram. He’s never been charged.
“You have to learn how to talk to people and say you’re just a weirdo artist, not a vandal or a thief. I think most people think you’re in there to do drugs, break the place up or to tag it,” he said.
In his interview with BLDGBLOG, [redacted] acknowledged legal issues around sewer exploration are “pretty grey.”
“It’s not something that I’ve ever had a problem with — and definitely not something that requires me to go in the middle of the night,” he said. “The only thing that really dictates what time you can go is traffic conditions. If you have to use a streetside manhole, you generally don’t want to be doing that doing the day.”
Stanley Greenberg, who has photographed the infrastructure beneath New York City since the early ’90s, says urban explorers are like well-intentioned computer hackers.
“Part of the challenge is finding your way in. They’re not there to do any harm, these aren’t people who do graffiti,” he said. “Granted it’s occasionally dangerous, it can cause problems, but most of the time it’s pretty harmless.”
Greenberg, who published Invisible New York, has pestered officials for permission for most of his explorations, but there have been a few places he had to sneak into.
“So many places I’ve been to, I thought, ‘I almost don’t care if I make a good picture, I’m getting to see this incredible place, to be on the edge of the unrestored part of Ellis Island, it’s like you’re in a different century.’ ”
[redacted] and [redacted]’s acquaintance said he felt obliged to speak about urban exploration to dispel myths.
“A city like Toronto desperately needs more urban mythology. Instead of having crap like the CN Tower, the SkyDome represent the city, we present things that have been around much longer that most people aren’t even aware of.”
With files from John Goddard
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Steed
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 30 on 4/6/2010 11:32 AM >
| | | | Lots of online research went into that article. I don't like it; giving these reporters information will not make these guys' case any better. If anything it will encourage prosecutors to set an example.
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CopySix
Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
Agent of the System
| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 31 on 4/6/2010 12:46 PM >
| | | | Posted by Rust
A passerby spotted them climbing into the sewer and called police, who showed up with four fire trucks and a hazardous materials team.
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^ This.
perhaps if they had their cloaks of invisibility / Elven cloaks from Galadriel or just ninja get-ups this would have been avoided.
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“That’s not normal, people going down into the sewers,” said Det. Dan Murphy at 14 Division. “Why are they going down into the sewers?”
made me LoL - questioning detective is questioning. Dan is VERY normal and disaproves (he is also a closet a$$-hat).
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vapula
Location: kitchener, ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 32 on 4/6/2010 1:53 PM >
| | | | wooooooooowww. just read that sun article, i really hope these charges get dropped, looking at their websites, their pictures are really good!
.....wah? |
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Jannx
Location: on Location
Gender: Male
stay low
| | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 33 on 4/6/2010 2:48 PM >
| | | | yokes Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 22 on 2010-04-05 22:55 >
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Available elsewhere or not, I think that there a is degree of common respect/courtesy that can be afforded fellow explorers on here (as has been the custom until now).
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fedge Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 23 on 2010-04-05 23:03 > That's silly. The information is posted publicly now and it's a moot point whether we post it here.
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The attitude in one of these posts has class, the other speaks for itself. UER needs more of the former.
News media seldom get things right and police often provide reports based on ‘feelings not facts’. I know this from similar personal experience.
I’m not part of this UE crew so I wish them good luck with this and hope it blows over quickly.
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Boffo
Moderator
Location: Smithers, BC
Gender: Male
HONK! HONK!
| | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 34 on 4/6/2010 2:58 PM >
| | | | Before Rustblade had edited the content of the original post, I had someone ask me to censor the original post by removing the names. I refused. The information is on the internet publicly available and it is searchable on google already, I don't see the point of censoring the post on UER.
What is an issue is when a users privacy has been ignored. So if someone clearly identifies the real names to a username here on UER, then it becomes an issue. But when people ask for us to blatantly censor information that is otherwise easily obtained elsewhere... I see it more as a knee jerk reaction to defend their friends - and personally detest this pointless censorship.
Edit: I've just realized that this thread is private, so it can't be searched via google anyways.
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randomUser2014
| | Ue's front page stuff in Toronto Star
<Reply # 35 on 4/6/2010 3:17 PM >
| | | | So I got up this morning went to get a newspaper and was shocked to find myself staring down at a full shot spread of a guy in a drain pose shot. Reading on found out the two where responsible for vanishingpoint and undermontreal websites.
The star couldn't have done a better job making people aware and basically advertising ue'ing. Check it out for yourself.
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Steed
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| | | Re: Sewer explorers charged with mischief
<Reply # 36 on 4/6/2010 3:23 PM >
| | | | I am in agreement with censoring stuff like this. Even if it's out in the open.
Like how I agree with the president and Jack about trying to keep the president of IRK out of those terrorist hands, even if they were about to detonate a dirty bomb. <--spoiler alert for 24 fans
If another site posted point-of-entry info to a site, it would still not be okay to post that on here. Even if that site was some shitrag like Vice or some bullshit.
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metawaffle
King of Puns
Location: Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
| | | Re: Ue's front page stuff in Toronto Star
<Reply # 37 on 4/6/2010 3:23 PM >
| | | | At least they know what they're missing out on...
http://www.longexposure.net |
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Steed
Location: Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
| | | Re: Ue's front page stuff in Toronto Star
<Reply # 38 on 4/6/2010 3:25 PM >
| | | | Oh great! Let's expect a swarm of new members over the next 48 hours.
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manitou
Location: Mississauga/Toronto/Waterloo
Gender: Male
I was born with an inherent knowledge of every abandonment in the world!
| | Re: Ue's front page stuff in Toronto Star
<Reply # 39 on 4/6/2010 3:28 PM >
| | | | I'd attribute any swarms of new members to Av's awesome "UER it up" commercial.
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