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Location: Smithers, BC
Gender: Male
HONK! HONK!
 |  | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 60 on 9/11/2009 5:52 AM >
|  | | | I'm glad you've all decided to argue this delightful point when someone died while drinking and exploring. Yey! Totally awesome.
Here's a lockpick. It might be handy if you, the master of unlocking, take it with you. |
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Capt Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 61 on 9/11/2009 5:53 AM >
| | | | Alcoholism is a disability according to the Supreme Court of Canada and the Human Rights Tribunal.
You wouldn't tell someone in a wheelchair they can't explore, while tell an alcoholic they shouldn't be a member here?
http://www.faslink..._is_disability.htm
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| |  | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 62 on 9/11/2009 5:53 AM >
| | | | I won't explore with people who are under the influence, period. Putting themselves at greater risk for accident/injury puts me at greater risk.
What exactly you explore does make a difference though. If you're wandering around something very simple with practically no extra risk there, it probably won't make a difference. But if you actually have to be counted upon to climb, watch your footing to avoid dangers, react quickly to avoid danger or being spotted, well, then being on anything is going to make you a liability. Whether you believe it or not, it does.
The funny part is, people that advocate drinking and toking while exploring sound so much like the people who say "I can drive fine after a few drinks, don't worry about it"...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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stizzy
Location: Parkdale Tdot
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 63 on 9/11/2009 6:22 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
I won't explore with people who are under the influence, period. Putting themselves at greater risk for accident/injury puts me at greater risk.
What exactly you explore does make a difference though. If you're wandering around something very simple with practically no extra risk there, it probably won't make a difference. But if you actually have to be counted upon to climb, watch your footing to avoid dangers, react quickly to avoid danger or being spotted, well, then being on anything is going to make you a liability. Whether you believe it or not, it does.
The funny part is, people that advocate drinking and toking while exploring sound so much like the people who say "I can drive fine after a few drinks, don't worry about it"...
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I can drive fine after a few drinks ;)
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Ares
  
Location: Vaughan, On
Gender: Male
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 64 on 9/11/2009 10:04 AM >
| | | | Wow.
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manitou
Location: Mississauga/Toronto/Waterloo
Gender: Male
I was born with an inherent knowledge of every abandonment in the world!
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 65 on 9/11/2009 12:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by Archer
And once again, the Ontario forum is the center of drama on UER. What a surprise.
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I thought the Northeast still held a monopoly on drama.
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 66 on 9/11/2009 1:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by manitou
I thought the Northeast still held a monopoly on drama.
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Serious. Don't you try and steal our title!
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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willskith
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| |  | | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 67 on 9/11/2009 2:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by trent
Serious. Don't you try and steal our title!
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I know, really...
It seems as though they are rallying for it pretty hardcore with this thread though.
grit your teeth in the face of fear. self repression is the true sign of a coward, toss your inhibitions to the wind. |
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rz350
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Location: toronto
Gender: Male
The looniest, zaniest, spontaneous, sporadic Impulsive thinker, compulsive drinker, addict
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 68 on 9/11/2009 2:34 PM >
| | | | woah, you guysd really do like Drama, someone dies in a sad, perhaps misguided, but still sad way, and your here arguing if it was coming to her or not. Why not pay your respects to the deceased and their family and friends, or hold your silence? So what if you don't believe in ghosts? I don't either, but two people out trying to have fun in a hobby similar to ours, one dies, and your cracking jokes at their fucking expense.
....We gave the fucking Taliban more respect then that. And while I hope none of you never have to experience the loss of a close friend in that kind of circumstance, I do hope you all learn a bit of respect and can postulate in your mind the grieving her friends and loved ones must be going though and from that, think a little before sticking up dim witted remarks.
What if the same action had been under taken in the pursuit of Parkour or out and out Urban Exploration? would still be harping on the unfortunate human being who lost their life, or would a bit more understanding be shown?
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 69 on 9/11/2009 3:28 PM >
| | | | I believe this is the first time you've actually said something that makes sense.
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NoSuchPerson
Stop, or I'll ask you again!
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 70 on 9/11/2009 3:40 PM >
|  | | | While I personally agree 100% with fedge and Jester in that drinking/drugs while exploring is the dumbest thing you could EVER do...I don't think we should let it take away from the tragic event which took place.
Should she have been drinking? No. But she was. That doesn't make this accident any less tragic or take away from the fact that a woman died - regardless of circumstances or events prior, its a damn shame it happened. My thoughts are with her and her family/friends.
Unit calling radio say again? |
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 71 on 9/11/2009 3:56 PM >
| | | | It should also be noted that it hasn't been confirmed that either had been drinking. Even then, there's a difference between drinking and being drunk.
Just something to keep in mind for people who are eager to believe that this only happened because alcohol was involved.
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rz350
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Location: toronto
Gender: Male
The looniest, zaniest, spontaneous, sporadic Impulsive thinker, compulsive drinker, addict
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 72 on 9/11/2009 4:03 PM >
| | | | And even if they had been drinking, while it's a stupid idea, it doesn't make their loved ones feel better, undo the loss of a life, or reduce the trauma for the police and EMS crews who had to respond to it, or her partner who had to witness it.
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TrixieSparrow
Location: Hamilton, ON
Gender: Female
I guess.
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 73 on 9/11/2009 4:23 PM >
| | | | We all make stupid mistakes. Ever single one of us. All too often it isn't us who has to pay the price. We know this, yet it still happens. Because we are human, and we love, hate, and make mistakes.
I won't tell anybody to do or not to do something. It is not my place, nor is it anybody else's here.
Someone made a mistake and now they are dead. So it goes. Their family and loved ones hurt. May they one day find peace of mind.
And as for us, may we all know and respect our limits.
Now I'm going to get the fuck out and explore something. I recommend everyone else do the same. Don't waste your short life on this thread.
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rz350
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Location: toronto
Gender: Male
The looniest, zaniest, spontaneous, sporadic Impulsive thinker, compulsive drinker, addict
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 74 on 9/11/2009 4:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by Dresden
I won't tell anybody to do or not to do something. It is not my place, nor is it anybody else's here.
Now I'm going to get the fuck out and explore something. I recommend everyone else do the same. Don't waste your short life on this thread.
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*resists urge to be a /b/tard because he agrees with the general ideas expressed by the poster is off to scout for drains*
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PartyPooper
Location: Bowmanville, ON
Gender: Male
...but I'm not the only one.
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 75 on 9/11/2009 6:06 PM >
| | | | Posted by Dresden
Don't waste your short life on this thread.
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Good point. Although drinking while scaling roofs wasn't a good idea, (just my opinion), like I said earlier, she died doing something that made her feel alive. Just like urban exploration does for everyone here. Long live U.E.R.!
Remember: Wherever you go, there you are.
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WEKurtz
Location: Western MA
Gender: Male
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 76 on 9/11/2009 9:35 PM >
| | | | I do not believe in ghosts,, but a question for those who do. Uh ..sex?
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 77 on 9/11/2009 10:23 PM >
| | | | Posted by PartyPooper
Good point. Although drinking while scaling roofs wasn't a good idea, (just my opinion), like I said earlier, she died doing something that made her feel alive. Just like urban exploration does for everyone here. Long live U.E.R.!
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My points about drinking while exploring weren't directed at the deceased, the facts aren't in, and either way, an accident happened, I feel for those that lost this person. My point was, someone advocating drinking and toking while exploring is first of all, as stupid as drinking drivers saying thats fine.
As for dying while doing something you enjoy, obviously I've never died, but I've been in a few "inches from death" situations, and I can tell you, not once did I feel "if I'm gonna die, this is the way to go". Its not as glorious a feeling to be staring death in the eye as the movies make it seem...
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Armchair Traveller
Location: Northern Hemisphere - The World
Gender: Female
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 78 on 9/11/2009 11:56 PM >
|  | | | I don't know if anyone on here ever met Leah Kubic aka "heinous", but she was a Linux dweeb and Urban Explorer.
It's sad that she made the fatal mistake of exploring while under the influence. If anyone should be tempted to do the same, please learn from her experience.
RIP Leah!
"Walk with me through the universe, and along the way see how all of us are connected. Feast the eyes of your soul on the love that abounds in all places at once. Seemingly endless, like your own existence."
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Mr. "D"
Location: East Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: Woman Falls to Her Death at U of T.
<Reply # 79 on 9/11/2009 11:56 PM >
| | | | It is indeed a terrible shame about her death. My condolences go out to her friends and families.
Now in regards to people bickering about drinking/drug use while exploring. I for one dont think its a good idea to be intoxicated on anything while exploring, but i'm not against it. Obviously drinking and drugs alters your state of mind, but some people like intoxicants and some don't. Some can handle themselves better and some can't. People have their choices to do what they want while exploring and that in itself it was makes us all unique explorers. In my opinion people should save the beers and joints for after the exploring is done. Nothin' like a few cold beers after a day of urban exploration. Speaking of which, i do believe it's Miller Time. Good evening.
"If you don't believe your country should come before yourself. Ya can better serve your country, by living somewhere else" - Stompin' Tom Connors
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