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The looniest, zaniest, spontaneous, sporadic Impulsive thinker, compulsive drinker, addict
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< on 9/8/2009 2:34 AM >
|  | | | this mostly applies to drains, tunnels and other long narrow things. I'll be using some of the terminology from the Canadian BMQ, as it is familiar to me, and is half decent at expressing the concept.
Okay, so you have a group in a drain. Chances are, you're are all in one line, one behind another. This is called a file. The front person in the file is usually called the marker. (or the pointer, but thats usually when you have 3 files/ranks and then two people up ahead keeping the way clear this doesn't apply for us.) The marker sets the pace for the rest of the files movement. The marker should set a pace that everyone can keep up with, and it should steady, as to not cause a slinky or accordion affect of the rest of the file bunching up or getting way to far spaced apart. The marker should look back and make sure the rest of his/her group are present now and then.
on the rear, you have the rear pointer. The rear pointer's job is to keep pace with the marker and make sure people don't become stragglers. Its important as in some drain and tunnel systems, getting lost is a real possibility so the group much be cohesive.
If members of the group want to stop for rest, photo's or they find the pace too fast. They should announce it, and it should be passed up to the marker and the rear pointer. Who should go along with it as this is a hobby and not war.
The marker taking a 30 inch step at a 60 step per minute pace covers 7km/h IIRC and you can use this to pace your distance covered roughly.
This is just being written to make movement in complex drain or tunnel systems a bit safer and easier, and I welcome feedback.
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| | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 1 on 9/8/2009 2:42 AM >
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| |  | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 2 on 9/8/2009 2:42 AM >
| | | | You should add this into the Encyclopedia.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
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olive
Location: hamilton
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good plan, poorly executed.
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<Reply # 3 on 9/8/2009 2:52 AM >
| | | | soooo, you've added names to the first and last person, and applied it to the common system that we all learned in kindergarten?
awesome!
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rz350
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The looniest, zaniest, spontaneous, sporadic Impulsive thinker, compulsive drinker, addict
| | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 4 on 9/8/2009 3:20 AM >
| | | | I did it because during draining today, I had that problem with the group. So I assume others probably have had that problem to.
its pretty straight forward, but some people don't get it, so I wrote it nice for them people.
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hatsumi
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<Reply # 5 on 9/8/2009 3:25 AM >
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i think you've just managed to suck all the fun out of draining right thar...
if you were aiming to get from infall to outfall as a group over a 10km stretch with a timeframe target then this may apply...otherwise, not.
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rz350
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| | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 6 on 9/8/2009 3:30 AM >
| | | | well, thats what we where aiming for, outfall to infall over a long long distance.
As I said, its just advice for certain situations. and no one has to follow it. its just advice being offered, not forced.
and yeah, the mods should move it to the encyclopedia. I screwed up on fourm selection.
[last edit 9/8/2009 3:37 AM by rz350 - edited 1 times]
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| | | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 7 on 9/9/2009 1:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by rz350
and yeah, the mods should move it to the encyclopedia. I screwed up on fourm selection.
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You can just add it yourself.
I do have a problem with the whole "getting lost" concept, and I wish people would stop throwing that term around. Getting lost in a drain is a lot harder than it sounds. Getting left in the dark on your own is what you were trying to suggest, I think 
Besides, if someone falls slightly behind they can just yell out for the group to slow down. Unless it's on the way back to the outfall my group is rarely in a rush to get out -- kind of kills the point of being there if you're just sprinting through.
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rz350
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| | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 8 on 9/9/2009 3:55 AM >
| | | | I didn't want to double post to two forums. And getting lost in tunnel and sanitary sewer systems isn't so hard.
It a dead straight drain, yeah, its pretty hard, but in some of the more complex systems, its a bit easier. (Captain dipshit goes up a side pipe and it has a fork, that leads to 3 more forks, and bam, Now we are down one explorer)
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Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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| | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 9 on 9/9/2009 12:51 PM >
| | | | Wouldn't it be simpler just to use the buddy system?
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AnAppleSnail
Location: Charlotte, NC
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ALL the flashlights!
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<Reply # 10 on 9/9/2009 1:02 PM >
| | | | I walk in front because of people who hold a flashlight in the hand-higher-than-shoulder position for a while and then drop their arm, shining a bright damn light in my eyes. Also where it's tall I can drain0rwalk with long legs ;)... but I do keep tabs on the group. The worst I've done is lose someone in the other parallel pipe for a section.
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rz350
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| | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 11 on 9/9/2009 4:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by splumer
Wouldn't it be simpler just to use the buddy system?
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Depends on the group dynamic. And still, two people can get lost easier then 8.
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| | | | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 12 on 9/9/2009 4:56 PM >
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grit your teeth in the face of fear. self repression is the true sign of a coward, toss your inhibitions to the wind. |
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<Reply # 13 on 9/9/2009 4:58 PM >
| | | | Hah.
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Yankee Traveler
Location: Greenfield, MA
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| | | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 14 on 9/9/2009 4:59 PM >
| | | | This place is brutal.
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AnAppleSnail
Location: Charlotte, NC
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ALL the flashlights!
| | | | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 15 on 9/9/2009 5:17 PM >
| | | | Posted by rz350
The marker taking a 30 inch step at a 60 step per minute pace covers 7km/h IIRC and you can use this to pace your distance covered roughly.
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I'm thinking that "30 inch step at 60 steps per minute" means a left-right step, because you have to travel at least 47 inches per second to do 7 km/hour. I usually don't walk that fast in drains, because my drains tend to be slick, soaked, or small. I don't mean meanness in picking on abbreviations or application of tactical techniques to draining - there's a time when it's right and many when it's not.
Tactical tunnel traverse trolley
4' stone with damaged wooden floor
Wading over medium rocks.
I do have a point marker though. She's a hardcore cutie who goes in drains barefoot
Admittedly most of us are too much the goofball to follow marching order - though when we have a noob who can't solo a drain we act differently to keep an eye on them. If I ever have a large group in a drain I would probably organize some kind of buddy system, but it's usually just me and the person I'm talking to while I unfold the tripod. A good guideline might be to attach each noob to an experienced drainer, but only if you have more than you can track.
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This place is brutal.
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I hope he knows we just don't bother for the trouble it takes. Broadly speaking I don't care if I get separated from the group in a drain, unless it's a monster one where I can accidentally wander up into a building and get arrested.
[last edit 9/9/2009 5:23 PM by AnAppleSnail - edited 1 times]
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rz350
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The looniest, zaniest, spontaneous, sporadic Impulsive thinker, compulsive drinker, addict
| | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 16 on 9/10/2009 12:30 AM >
| | | | of course its left right step, as you always step off on the left. It was just a suggestion for n00bs and a rough estimate of distance. Its a bit of a fast pace for a drain.
experienced drainers obviously don't need have someone checking on them, etc. But for a group with a lot of them being their first time, it might be a good idea to organize something to keep some kind of order and stop people from getting separated or lost.
That was just one system to do so. Written out to be semi idiot proof. Because a good portion of you are not highest velocity round in current use.
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| | | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 17 on 9/10/2009 12:33 AM >
| | | | I like to run in drains...
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
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rz350
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The looniest, zaniest, spontaneous, sporadic Impulsive thinker, compulsive drinker, addict
| | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 18 on 9/10/2009 1:40 AM >
| | | | I did that in a sewer once. I slipped and my waders filled up with sewage.
feels bad man.
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trent
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| | | Re: moving in file
<Reply # 19 on 9/10/2009 12:36 PM >
| | | | Just throwing this out there because in the past few days I've seen multiple references to taking newbs into drains in various UER threads. This also correlates with 'drain bandwagon' as mentioned in the 'Rooftops are the new asylums thread'.
Taking lots of newbs or holding a public open meet in drains is kind of risky I think and I personally would not want to be responsible of the lives of people I don't even know.
I guess taking someone you know well in real life is one thing so you won't have to watch over them the whole time. But taking a bunch of new people that get spread out all over the place sounds very risky when in drains they can turn from fun to deadly in a matter of seconds.
I'm referring to some near-death drain experiences I've read. One was in a easy drain two hardcore drainers have taken newbs and GF's into in the past. They went back with just the two of them and almost died due to a water release. They were saying if they had brought anyone else who didn't know the system with them that day, that person probably would have died. After that they really think about who they invite into the drains with them.
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