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 Freak
     
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
 |  |  | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 40 on 5/6/2009 7:39 PM >
|  | | | I'm sure the thinly veiled gay references on the comments will add just tons of legitimacy to their message 
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 |
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 42 on 5/7/2009 12:46 AM >
| | | | One must not always look for legitimacy, but sometimes for childish revenge.
Saw it on a fortune cookie once. Besides an eye for an eye right? And there are also a few good ones there, so it all balances out. Like not getting a few cheap shots will make Greg see the error of his ways. What's done is done, might as well have fun with it. It's not like if there were 100 scholarly comments he would call back the book and re-write it.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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Max Wasteland
Location: wasteland wandering
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 43 on 5/7/2009 1:13 AM >
| | | | I just thought the image was funny. I don't give a crap who's gay.
Or a furry, for that matter.
ruling the ruins |
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Max Wasteland
Location: wasteland wandering
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 44 on 5/7/2009 1:16 AM >
| | | | Oh, I thought you meant comments in here. I'm kinda scared to go look.
ruling the ruins |
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Clockwork
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
I WILL KILL THIS MONKEY! I'M CRAZY!
| |  | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 45 on 5/7/2009 3:17 AM >
| | | | Pahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahaha!
This is some good shit!
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Max Wasteland
Location: wasteland wandering
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 46 on 5/7/2009 4:12 PM >
| | | | Want a chance to ask Greg why exactly he feels so superior to every explorer to come after him, why he's so driven to smear and dismiss other explorers whenever he's given a chance - or why the hell he stole an Action Squad story and pretended it happened to him?
Here's your chance to do so - on live radio:
https://www.kfai.org/node/19720
And it looks like the topic at hand will be more of the same - how websites "ruined exploring" for poor Greg.
You just gotta love that the name of the radio show is "Truth to Tell" !
Posted elsewhere by Max Action
Rereading some of the old and new articles Greg's been interviewed in, getting past the book and into thte larger context, I also realize that it's not really just about Greg vs Action Squad - it's more like Greg vs all younger explorer "kids", Greg vs anyone who loves *adventure* as well as rocks, loves abandoned buildings as much as caves.
I don't care that Greg doesn't care for the thrill of "being where you're not supposed to be," or that he is left cold by a vacancy's rooftop vista. He can do whatever he wants, and I'm glad he enjoys it - I'm not going to claim that our way is superior to his. We're all just doing what we love, following our passions, and having as good of a time as we can while we're alive.
But I do get pissed off about how, for the last decade, he's painted other explorers with shit every time he gets the chance. His bizarre theft of the Ford Mines story was just the spark that hit the gunpowder keg. |
ruling the ruins |
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wackodood
Location: Twin Cities
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 47 on 5/7/2009 5:24 PM >
| | | | Nah, I have finals to study for, and an exploring trip to Memphis that still needs planning. Sounds like a hoot though.
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Gatsby
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Like all UER people, I've only explored your mom.
| | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 48 on 5/8/2009 3:30 PM >
| | | | Weirdo.
I only listen to 104.7 Poop. I'm always in deep shit, so I may as well listen to poop. |
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Slim Jim
Noble Donor
Location: St. Paul, MN
Gender: Male
Maze is 100% done now!!! Someday when it's -10 out and the generators won't start I might upload th
| | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 49 on 5/10/2009 4:54 AM >
| | | | Posted by Glass
Not to mention that Perkins doesn't appreciate Mr. Brown.
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Junkyard, you should totally bring Mr. Brown into Perkins and claim that you're blind and he's your seeing eye dog! I dare you to! It'll be funny!
I want to be different. But I want to be different just like everybody else, because if I really were different, everybody would think I was crazy and weird.
Iowa is Minnesota's bitch. There's an art to pooping. |
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 51 on 5/10/2009 3:17 PM >
| | | | That's what I said before. I would do it, but when they see exactly how well behaved he is, they'll know he's lying. Besides service dogs don't sit in the chair next to their owners, that'll be another dead give away.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 52 on 5/10/2009 5:52 PM >
| | | | Not trying to defend Greg or anything, though he is a pretty nice guy, in person, but some of his criticisms are really pretty well-founded. From what I can tell, he thinks explorers had ought not to be stoned or drunk or both when explorin'; had ought not to literally break into places; had ought not to leave graffiti behind; had ought not to steal computers and power tools; had ought not to, you know, take a crap on a church altar, or try to blow up doors with fireworks.
And he's kind of got a point, IMO.
That doesn't excuse any plagiarism, obviously, but anyone who's going all angsty and emo because Brick doesn't like t3h urb4n exp10rer5 might want to think about just why that might be...
Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. |
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 53 on 5/10/2009 8:02 PM >
| | | | Very good points indeed, but not everyone can be rounded up into little categories. We are all individuals. Some of us may do some but not all of those mentioned. I like to drink and explore. I also like and have been known to go sober. And what is graffitti? The usual ideas that go along with the word? I have seen one etching in sandstone by Mr. Brick above a storm drain that he documented as being in that same place. At least he described that location to a tee. I've left some trash behind, and also picked up many other people's and packed out the majority of my own. But yes I have left some. Were the guys with fireworks and doors explorers in the sense or just a bit different? I've never smokes pots, but have been out with people that have. Who cares? They did far less wrong than others have. To me it's more about what you actually do than what others percieve, although that does come into play. Greg knows his shit, he's been doing this for a long time, but he also is a bit emo and angsty. If anyone should be setting an example, I would say it should be him. He's how old? Isn't he a college professor? The internet is full of morons like me, I expect that kind of stuff here. But to print his smears in a book is just so juvenille. It is even below me. This is the funny part, the guy HATES my guts. Never met the man. I don't care, I'm not for everyone. I hear stuff like this through the back channels, and it's comical. It's all in good fun. Why didn't he call his book 'I hate Max Action and all explorers because they trash stuff and are stupid poo poo heads, but urban speleologists rule'? Did they charge extra for a long title? He should go back to high school until he grows up. As for me. I refuse to grow up, maybe it'll help with all this grey hair.
On a sidebar I also would like to note that Speleogy has to do with caves and si a mix of several disciplines of science. The term Urban Speleogist can be applied to quite a few of us. But we choose urban explorer. This can encompass urban photography also. My opinion is that Mr. Brick has chosen this title to show how superior he is to the masses. Here is a link to a urban speleogy site that looks like any one of our many trips to abandoned places. If I didn't know better, I'd think it was some offshoot of UER. http://www.urbanspeleology.com/
[last edit 5/10/2009 8:19 PM by junkyard - edited 1 times]
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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Max Wasteland
Location: wasteland wandering
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 54 on 5/10/2009 10:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krenta
From what I can tell, he thinks explorers had ought not to be stoned or drunk or both when explorin'; had ought not to literally break into places; had ought not to leave graffiti behind; had ought not to steal computers and power tools; had ought not to, you know, take a crap on a church altar, or try to blow up doors with fireworks. |
Umm, Greg's expressed problem is with the Action Squad website, not with any of the shit you're pulling into it.
Greg's actual problem is with losing limelight to people who are into adventure and share the stoke online.
Let's take Nicollet Island as an example - some people would think that being stoned and drunk and digging a new tunnel are violators of the "UER Code of Conduct." Me, I would rather call any stoned tagger my brother in exploration than someone who would, when finding others exploring the tunnels with them, either find their entrance and "slam the manhole cover down on them" (Greg Brick) or call the police on them (you).
But hey, to each their own ...
ruling the ruins |
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 55 on 5/11/2009 5:24 AM >
| | | | Posted by Max Wasteland
Umm, Greg's expressed problem is with the Action Squad website, not with any of the shit you're pulling into it.
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Really? I assume you're going from his book, which I don't have a copy of. Having spoken with him a couple times, at length, you'll have to take my word, for what that's worth, that he has - and has "expressed" - a problem with "the shit (I'm) pulling into it".
And yeah, Junkyard, I know everyone is different, not everyone does everything that everyone else does, blah blah blah. I'm just saying, when someone falls to their death in Bunge, say, some of us go "damn, that sucks, that could have been any of us", some of us go "aiee, I can see ur mom from here, lol, bukake bukake bukake SPLAT!!!!111", and Greg Brick goes "Goddamnit, there's another irresponsible punk kid ruining this for everyone else, like me."
Greg's actual problem is with losing limelight to people who are into adventure and share the stoke online.
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Yeah, you just keep telling yourself that. It won't make it true, but apparently it'll make you happy, and that's nothing to sneer at.
Let's take Nicollet Island as an example - some people would think that being stoned and drunk and digging a new tunnel are violators of the "UER Code of Conduct." Me, I would rather call any stoned tagger my brother in exploration than someone who would, when finding others exploring the tunnels with them, either find their entrance and "slam the manhole cover down on them" (Greg Brick) or call the police on them (you).
But hey, to each their own ...
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lol.
[last edit 5/11/2009 5:29 AM by Krenta - edited 1 times]
Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. |
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Clockwork
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
I WILL KILL THIS MONKEY! I'M CRAZY!
| | | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 56 on 5/11/2009 6:09 AM >
| | | | Posted by Krenta
I'm just saying, when someone falls to their death in Bunge |
That was hillariously fucking awesome. Bunge pwned the living shit out of that noob. Natural selection and all that. LOL And Bukakke!!!!
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Glass
 
Location: Chicago
as one does
| | | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 57 on 5/11/2009 2:53 PM >
| | | | Posted by Clockwork
Natural selection and all that.
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MY turn to LOL!
Oh 'Kilroy Krew', if only it were true...
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Clockwork
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
I WILL KILL THIS MONKEY! I'M CRAZY!
| | | Re: Greg Brick's "Subterranean Twin Cities": Lies, Damned Lies, & Bad Writing
<Reply # 58 on 5/11/2009 3:08 PM >
| | | | LOL! Secret Urban Exploration Ninja Mafia for the win!!!11111!!!
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