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 mroc82
 
Location: Philadelphia
Gender: Male
 |  | Some really basic UEX questions
< on 1/15/2009 8:37 PM >
|  | | | Howdy all, I'm very new to urban exploration, but I've always had an interest in old buildings.
One of my main questions is actually gaining access to buildings. What if a building is locked or boarded up? Is is safe to say that if there are those type of security measures its just not worth going into?
Also, I live in a urban area, which is why I asked the previous question. Also, how do you try to avoid suspicion? I thought of buying a hardhat a safety vest, and maybe getting a toolbox to put all of my camera equipment into. Is that dumb or taking things too far?
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
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trent
     
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| |  | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 1 on 1/15/2009 8:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by mroc82
One of my main questions is actually gaining access to buildings. What if a building is locked or boarded up? Is is safe to say that if there are those type of security measures its just not worth going into?
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Howdy. It depends on a risk vs. reward thing. Obviously breaking and entering isn't recommended, but I'm not saying some people don't do it either.
Posted by mroc82
Also, I live in a urban area, which is why I asked the previous question. Also, how do you try to avoid suspicion? I thought of buying a hardhat a safety vest, and maybe getting a toolbox to put all of my camera equipment into. Is that dumb or taking things too far?
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Not dumb at all and for some more extreme sites or infiltration of active sites it might be applicable wearing a 'disguise' - though more rare. Usually the most common and easiest way is to just act like you own the place.
Hope this helps.
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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Glass
 
Location: Chicago
as one does
| | | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 2 on 1/15/2009 8:58 PM >
| | | | 1) There's a saying in this hobby: "There's always a way in." Of course, the idea is to find that unlikely, impossible entrance point and go in without leaving a trace. Most interesting places have some kind of secured perimeter--a door with a padlock or all ground floor windows covered with boards. All that means is that it's going to be a little challenge; often the experience getting inside is more fulfilling than what's inside the building anyway. So, yes, it is worth the trouble.
2) There are some places where something like a construction hat would come in handy: we call those pieces "credibility props" that set up the user/wearer to look legitimate. Now, this doesn't necessarily decrease suspicion because if you still don't look the part it'll seem just that much more unlikely that you're where you're allowed. For example, if you're 16 and wearing a construction worker costume it'll really stick out and make you all the more vulnerable. Using credibility props also increase the consequences if you are caught because it shows the entry premeditated and shows that you know what you're doing is illegal.
Usually it's just best to dress like an urban kid--which you are--so you look natural and are more likely to be overlooked. It's better if people's eyes move right over you without notice than attracting their attention and scrutiny with unusual dress and such. But that's just my opinion; some people love playing dress-up and romping in plain sight.
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 3 on 1/15/2009 9:04 PM >
| | | | Posted by Glass
1) There's a saying in this hobby: "There's always a way in." Of course, the idea is to find that unlikely, impossible entrance point and go in without leaving a trace. Most interesting places have some kind of secured perimeter--a door with a padlock or all ground floor windows covered with boards. All that means is that it's going to be a little challenge; often the experience getting inside is more fulfilling than what's inside the building anyway. So, yes, it is worth the trouble.
2) There are some places where something like a construction hat would come in handy: we call those pieces "credibility props" that set up the user/wearer to look legitimate. Now, this doesn't necessarily decrease suspicion because if you still don't look the part it'll seem just that much more unlikely that you're where you're allowed. For example, if you're 16 and wearing a construction worker costume it'll really stick out and make you all the more vulnerable. Using credibility props also increase the consequences if you are caught because it shows the entry premeditated and shows that you know what you're doing is illegal.
Usually it's just best to dress like an urban kid--which you are--so you look natural and are more likely to be overlooked. It's better if people's eyes move right over you without notice than attracting their attention and scrutiny with unusual dress and such. But that's just my opinion; some people love playing dress-up and romping in plain sight.
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Glass detailed and explained what I was thinking much better. I agree with his advice.
Oh one other tip. It seems that if it's a multi-story building, there is almost always a window or door that can be accessed up there. People forget to secure the buildings against monkeys.
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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Rinzler
 
Location: New Jersey
Nomad
| |  | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 4 on 1/15/2009 9:58 PM >
| | | | If you cant find a way in on ground level, start climbing. Most likely there will always be a 2nd floor window busted in and if that fails, go onto the roof. Every single place will have an entrance from a subroof or main roof, depending on the type of building it is. Thats how i get into most of my places.
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Tupsumato
Location: Finland
Gender: Male
How close can you go?
| | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 5 on 1/16/2009 1:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by mroc82
What if a building is locked or boarded up? Is is safe to say that if there are those type of security measures its just not worth going into? |
Usually places that have some sort of protection against nature and vandals are better than the ones that are open year-around.
All information and details given in good faith but not guaranteed! |
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G to the Race
Hi!
| | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 6 on 1/16/2009 1:54 PM >
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Srsly, buy it. Kinda being a jackass but it offers practical advice on the very questions you ask. Plus, dude who wrote it was "just Ok" by most accounts. Kidding.
[last edit 1/16/2009 1:55 PM by G to the Race - edited 1 times]
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IntinerisForma
Location: Was: Jackson, MS Now:Tallahassee, FL
| | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 7 on 1/16/2009 2:07 PM >
|  | | | I'd agree Access All Areas would be a good start. It'll answer most of the questions you have.
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 8 on 1/16/2009 4:07 PM >
| | | | Typically if its boarded up that means it's less likely that it will be protected with IR sensors and the like, which is a good thing.
Second credibility props can work, but typically they make it hard to blend in to the background before and after. Some of the drainers here get high-vis jackets, hard hats, and even block off manholes with traffic cones and the like, in the middle of traffic.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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don_corleyone
Location: F/RoX
Gender: Male
I have abandonment issues
| | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 9 on 1/16/2009 4:12 PM >
| | | | smash that shit in with a brick.
leave the gun. take the cannoli.
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Chris Hansen
I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC. Why dont you have a seat over there?
| | | | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 10 on 1/16/2009 6:13 PM >
| | | | If it is locked or boarded up you have to think about if it will really be worth getting into. you have to judge how well boarded it is and how much probability of getting in trouble there is. i think if it is just boarded up then it wouldnt be to bad to get into but if it is surrounded in fence with dogs and cops, i wouldnt risk it.
about the construction equiptment as a cover, that isnt a bad idea at all. it is pretty ingenious but you have to think about how plausible it is in the area and how probable it is to carry around on an exploration.
good luck and i hope it helped.
My name is Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC's To Catch a Predator. Why don't you have a seat over there? |
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 12 on 1/16/2009 8:09 PM >
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WTF good is a floating head gonna do ya?
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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don_corleyone
Location: F/RoX
Gender: Male
I have abandonment issues
| | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 13 on 1/16/2009 8:13 PM >
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can i borow it? there's this women's locker room at the local gym i've been meaning to check out.
leave the gun. take the cannoli.
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Rinzler
Location: New Jersey
Nomad
| | | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 14 on 1/17/2009 12:17 AM >
| | | | Well the equipment could work, but if a cop sees it and decides to ask questions or what not. Then thats when you get fucked. Then you'll be in even more trouble. You gotta be careful with trying that even tho its a pretty good idea.
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DJ Craig
 
Moderator
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
Break the Silence
| | | | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 16 on 1/17/2009 6:40 PM >
| | | | Posted by G to the Race
http://www.johndav...accessallareas.jpg
Srsly, buy it. Kinda being a jackass but it offers practical advice on the very questions you ask. Plus, dude who wrote it was "just Ok" by most accounts. Kidding.
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Yes! Amazing book.
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." -Dr. Suess |
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denryuu
Gender: Male
| | Re: Some really basic UEX questions
<Reply # 17 on 1/18/2009 3:39 AM >
| | | | I got one of the last copies of AAA Amazon had in stock and it was more than worth it.
Wonderful book and you should definitely get it if you're starting out exploring. Gives you info on a lot of things you've wondered and a lot of things you never even considered.
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NPGuildmaster
Location: New Paltz, NY
Gender: Male
| | Equipment
<Reply # 18 on 1/26/2009 8:15 PM >
| | | | I was wondering what people bring on their trips:
Is there something that you have found extremely useful?
What have you brought that you thought would be great that didn't work out?
is there anything season specific that you have?
"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative."
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ActionSatisfaction Esq.
Location: Newark, NJ
Gender: Male
Action always satisfies
| | Re: Equipment
<Reply # 19 on 1/26/2009 8:21 PM >
| | | | Please use the "search" feature on the navigation bar at left in the future. Many, many threads have been started on this.
http://www.uer.ca/...=1&where=regular
Also, the UE Encyclopedia holds a wealth of knowledge. This is precisely what you are looking for:
http://www.uer.ca/...id=1&threadid=4803
"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life." - T.R. |
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