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 Ogre Battle
Location: Chicago IL
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 40 on 3/2/2009 1:21 AM >
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It's cold in Minnesota and I wouldn't want to have to wait for a tow truck in the middle of January..:]
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What does cold have to do with it? I see just as many imports as domestics broken down/unable to start when we have bitter cold here in Chicago.
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CaptOrbit
      
Location: Sarasota, FL or Cincinnati, OH
Gender: Male
There you are, right back in the jungle again.
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<Reply # 41 on 3/3/2009 3:03 AM >
| | | | Posted by Ogre Battle
What does cold have to do with it? I see just as many imports as domestics broken down/unable to start when we have bitter cold here in Chicago.
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Eh, it doesn't matter, once some folks get an idea in their head that's all their brain focuses on. For example when I drive a particular car I tend to notice other cars of the same make and vintage. If your mind is set to "domestics are unreliable in the winter" your mind will literally not notice the broken down imports. Sometimes even if you are looking for them.
As far as the OP goes I lived in Dayton (a once big GM town) and I was told at least in the 1980's a foreign car in any of the Delco's, Inland, Harrison, or Moraine assembly s parking lot would be keyed or otherwise messed with.
The personal responsibility train left the station years ago, and you gave it the finger as you watched it leave. |
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Samurai
  
Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York
No matter where you go, there you are...
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<Reply # 42 on 3/3/2009 5:30 AM >
| | | | http://www.busines...yotas_quality.html
http://www.thetrut...uality-is-job-one/
http://www.consume...toyota_engine.html
http://www.petitio...2003/petition.html
http://www.hondaproblems.com/
(no one remembers how many perfectly fine 3400 V6's GM replaced at no cost just because owners thought they were 'noisy' cold).
these were just the high points. Google Toyota Sludge problems and Toyota quality issues... it's an eye opener.
the reason I posted all those links is to illustrate that these cars are in no way better than any domestic out there. In fact, in some of the links i hit to research this post, one thing I noticed was that there was only one or GM products on "Worst Car Lists" and they were near the bottom... One was the first year Impala and the other was the last year Cavalier, which I admit had some quality issues (the Cavalier was being phased out by the 2003 model year, and 04's and 05's were just renumbered and flung down the assembly as fast as they could build them to make room for the Cobalt/G5-Pursuit).
for those of you who have, or do, twist wrenches for a living, you understand that truth. For those of you who do not have a clue about anything automotive other than where the gas and oil go, you're gassed up on propaganda. It's all advertising BS. I remember those "Ask Someone..." Toyota commercials. They were showing flawless, no doubt west coast or southeast cars, in flawless condition at 100,000 miles+. What a load of BS. A 100,000 mile toyota here has some for of rot from all the salt and tailings on the roads.
What about all the domestics I see here in the middle of the rustbelt that have 200,000+ miles on them? Jeez, I just sold a 98 Chevy Lumina with 189,000 miles on it that was still running and looking excellent. Or how about the 99 Monte Carlo in my driveway with 163,000 miles on it? Or the 98 Chevy Cavalier I traded at 217,000 miles and was driven to about 300,000 miles... on the same engine and transmission. And on top of that, did you ever notice how perfect those people looked? Almost as if they had stepped out of a casting call... bring your Corolla.
As George Carlin once said, "it's all advertising bullshit." So people run right out and they buy these cars and immediately think that it gives them the right to look down their nose and those 'horrible domestics'. It's like you import drivers view us all from the same trailer park. It's weird. And it's like the religious mania. I can't say I don't have the other side of that mania, because I do. I refuse to drive anything other than a GM just because of their track record with me. They have been the toughest cars I have ever driven. Come to a demolition derby with me and see how an FWD GM holds together. :oP
i get off on to this rant it seems an awful lot. I don't mind if you buy an import, just don't think you are buying a car that magically will never break down.
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Ogre Battle
Location: Chicago IL
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 43 on 3/3/2009 12:22 PM >
| | | | Posted by Samurai
What about all the domestics I see here in the middle of the rustbelt that have 200,000+ miles on them? Jeez, I just sold a 98 Chevy Lumina with 189,000 miles on it that was still running and looking excellent. Or how about the 99 Monte Carlo in my driveway with 163,000 miles on it? Or the 98 Chevy Cavalier I traded at 217,000 miles and was driven to about 300,000 miles... |
Definatly! People get it in their heads that the car will "die" once it reaches 100,000 miles, and they trade it in as junk.
The Beretta I mentioned earlier? I bought it new and put 318,000 miles on it until some kid decided to rearend me at 40 MPH and push me into the truck ahead of me. Unfortunately, with damage at each end of the car, it was time to let it go. It was still on the original engine and tranny though.
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MHInc
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Location: Niagara Falls, Ontario Canada
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<Reply # 44 on 3/3/2009 1:04 PM >
| | | | Kinda similar thing here in St. Catharines, Ontario. The GM Employees at our Ontario Street plant aren't allowed to park in the GM lot unless they drive a GM.
And for the record, I will NEVER drive a domestic vehicle again! I have bothing but trouble with Dodge, Pontiac, and Ford.
The only cars I have ever loved, never had issues with, and had minimal repairs on are my Volkswagon GTI and my current Toyota Corolla.
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mre770
Location: atlanta
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<Reply # 45 on 3/3/2009 1:45 PM >
| | | | My jeep is heading into 200,000 k territory like my other one before it was totaled. They take quite a pounding and keep going.
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Samurai
Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | Re: Only in Detroit
<Reply # 46 on 3/3/2009 1:50 PM >
| | | | Posted by MHInc
Kinda similar thing here in St. Catharines, Ontario. The GM Employees at our Ontario Street plant aren't allowed to park in the GM lot unless they drive a GM.
And for the record, I will NEVER drive a domestic vehicle again! I have bothing but trouble with Dodge, Pontiac, and Ford.
The only cars I have ever loved, never had issues with, and had minimal repairs on are my Volkswagon GTI and my current Toyota Corolla.
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you're in the minority with the VW, at least down here. One thing I found with the Volkswagens was that when they break, it's all at once. A friend of the family had a 98 Golf GTI VR6 and it was one thing right after another with that car and it was NOT cheap to repair. Finally, he could stand no more and traded it for a brand new 3rd Gen Eclipse. His stepbrother bought the same year Jetta with 77,000 miles on it and had the transmission fail spectacularly at 81k, shedding reverse cog. He manage to find transmission, had it put back together and then something in the engine management said bye bye. So he got that chased out and then the engine itself refused to turn over. He ended up parking this car (which is a shame because it's not bad looking) and buying a 2000 Plymouth Neon for next to nothing. It had 65k on it and it ended up heaving a rod out of the block at 245,000 miles.
I concede that there are certain Pontiacs to stay away from. The Grand Am is a troubled child that just never got rid of it;s quality problems. The N-body always seemed to have issues, but the Grand Am seemed to have the brunt of them. It was always a case of if you got a good one, there 18 bad ones that everyone else got. These cars had electrical issues, excessive brake wear issues that Batmobile Jr. styling was take it or leave it (even though the Grand Am was one of Pontiac Divisions' best sellers).
Ford, it seems, forgot how to build really good cars at the end of the last decade and into this one.
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MHInc
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Location: Niagara Falls, Ontario Canada
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<Reply # 47 on 3/3/2009 4:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by Samurai
you're in the minority with the VW, at least down here. One thing I found with the Volkswagens was that when they break, it's all at once. A friend of the family had a 98 Golf GTI VR6 and it was one thing right after another with that car and it was NOT cheap to repair. Finally, he could stand no more and traded it for a brand new 3rd Gen Eclipse. His stepbrother bought the same year Jetta with 77,000 miles on it and had the transmission fail spectacularly at 81k, shedding reverse cog. He manage to find transmission, had it put back together and then something in the engine management said bye bye. So he got that chased out and then the engine itself refused to turn over. He ended up parking this car (which is a shame because it's not bad looking) and buying a 2000 Plymouth Neon for next to nothing. It had 65k on it and it ended up heaving a rod out of the block at 245,000 miles.
I concede that there are certain Pontiacs to stay away from. The Grand Am is a troubled child that just never got rid of it;s quality problems. The N-body always seemed to have issues, but the Grand Am seemed to have the brunt of them. It was always a case of if you got a good one, there 18 bad ones that everyone else got. These cars had electrical issues, excessive brake wear issues that Batmobile Jr. styling was take it or leave it (even though the Grand Am was one of Pontiac Divisions' best sellers).
Ford, it seems, forgot how to build really good cars at the end of the last decade and into this one.
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I got lucky with the GTI, only thing I ever had to replace on that was an upper rad hose.
The Toyota, haven't EVER had a problem, it's a 2001 Corolla LE with only 78000 Kilometers on it. Best car I ever owned.
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SubLunar
Location: St Louis
Gender: Male
| | Re: Only in Detroit
<Reply # 48 on 3/3/2009 5:42 PM >
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The Toyota, haven't EVER had a problem, it's a 2001 Corolla LE with only 78000 Kilometers on it. Best car I ever owned.
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That car isn't even broke in yet! Of course you haven't had any problems...
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LostintheWoods
Location: Barrie, Ontario
Gender: Male
I have sunk into the mire of the deep, where there is no foothold.
| | Re: Only in Detroit
<Reply # 49 on 3/3/2009 5:57 PM >
| | | | This thread has taken on the spirit of the PC vs. Mac debate that is raging on another thread.
This argument is moot, for the most part. I think a car's longevity / reliability can usually be traced back to the owner's efforts to maintain said car.
Sam mentions several Chevy's he's owned that have lasted a long while, but knowing Sam, they were well maintained, well loved cars. (Even if he did drive the shit out of them.) - I don't actually KNOW Samurai, I should point out, but you can get an impression of his attitude towards cars from reading these boards for 10 minutes.
I drive a Toyota that is falling apart, because I have never put any effort into maintaining it. If I took better care of it, I'm sure it would last longer, but as it stands right now, I'm probably going to get less than 160k miles out of it. C'est la vie.
There are also a variety of factors that can contribute to a car's build quality. I have a buddy who drives an '02 Honda Civic that is a total lemon. When he checked the VIN, he discovered that it had been assembled on the Friday before a Christmas shutdown.
There's always an exception to the rule, and you can argue foreign vs. domestic till you're blue in the face. The truth is that a large component of whether or not your car is going to last boils down to a) luck and b) your actions.
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MHInc
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<Reply # 50 on 3/4/2009 12:31 AM >
| | | | Posted by SubLunar
That car isn't even broke in yet! Of course you haven't had any problems...
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Very true! I have seen people with 400000K on theirs and it's still going strong
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SubLunar
Location: St Louis
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 51 on 3/4/2009 2:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by LostintheWoods
This thread has taken on the spirit of the PC vs. Mac debate that is raging on another thread.
This argument is moot, for the most part. I think a car's longevity / reliability can usually be traced back to the owner's efforts to maintain said car. |
I agree completely.
I prefer domestics for personal reasons. The only foreign cars I've worked on were nightmares to replace even the smallest part.
Any car should last a long time as long as it's maintained.
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Curious_George
Location: Cambridge
Gender: Male
Straight outta New Bedlam
| | Re: Only in Detroit
<Reply # 52 on 3/6/2009 1:08 AM >
| | | | Posted by Samurai
The Grand Am is a troubled child that just never got rid of it;s quality problems. The N-body always seemed to have issues, but the Grand Am seemed to have the brunt of them. It was always a case of if you got a good one, there 18 bad ones that everyone else got. These cars had electrical issues, excessive brake wear issues that Batmobile Jr. styling was take it or leave it (even though the Grand Am was one of Pontiac Divisions' best sellers).
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The electrical system and its sensors on my Grand Am are completely fucked up. Warnings and lights will just turn on at random so I've learned to ignore them up to a point. Other than that, because of some tender loving care I have yet to have any major problems save for wear and tear which is understandable as I have put on 150,000 km in the past three years.
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Samurai
Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York
No matter where you go, there you are...
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<Reply # 53 on 3/6/2009 5:25 AM >
| | | | Posted by Curious_George
The electrical system and its sensors on my Grand Am are completely fucked up. Warnings and lights will just turn on at random so I've learned to ignore them up to a point. Other than that, because of some tender loving care I have yet to have any major problems save for wear and tear which is understandable as I have put on 150,000 km in the past three years.
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you got one with problems AND personality, then.
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Emma Peel
Location: Ahowah
Gender: Female
Ghosting you like you've never been ghosted before.
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<Reply # 54 on 3/6/2009 5:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by Curious_George
The electrical system and its sensors on my Grand Am are completely fucked up. Warnings and lights will just turn on at random so I've learned to ignore them up to a point. Other than that, because of some tender loving care I have yet to have any major problems save for wear and tear which is understandable as I have put on 150,000 km in the past three years.
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My daddy just sold his car to the junkyard the other day  Maybe you've got another 50k on it like his did ;)
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Curious_George
Location: Cambridge
Gender: Male
Straight outta New Bedlam
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<Reply # 55 on 3/6/2009 6:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by Emma Peel
My daddy just sold his car to the junkyard the other day Maybe you've got another 50k on it like his did ;)
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Bite your tongue, I just finished paying it off. Besides, most of those are highway kilometers and I usually don't exceed the speed limit by excessive amounts usually. I learned my lesson when I was doing 140 kmh with my Geo and threw my rod through the engine block.
I almost have 200,000km on it and I intend to put on many more....please God hear my calls.
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D'void
Location: The Wild Mid-West
Gender: Male
Give me your $oul
| | | Re: Only in Detroit
<Reply # 56 on 3/16/2009 2:15 AM >
| | | | http://onlyndetroit.com/
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