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Location: Canada
 |  | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 20 on 11/20/2008 2:34 PM >
|  | | | Posted by chumpster
This is why I don't particularly want to go draining.
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Its not a good idea to do it before a typhoon, yes.
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Bloody Jack
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| | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 21 on 3/20/2009 4:08 PM >
| | | | Drains are not my thing either but I can understand why people like it so much, you can easily get incredible pictures out of it, and those guys well I can't explain to myself why it even crossed their minds to there during a strom, I mean I've talked to some guys that were caught by a storm, meaning that they were not expecting one, but during! Not cool, and sadly tragic...
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metawaffle
   
King of Puns
Location: Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
| |  | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 22 on 3/20/2009 9:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by Bloody Jack
Drains are not my thing either but I can understand why people like it so much, you can easily get incredible pictures out of it, and those guys well I can't explain to myself why it even crossed their minds to there during a strom, I mean I've talked to some guys that were caught by a storm, meaning that they were not expecting one, but during! Not cool, and sadly tragic...
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It probably isn't clear from the rest of the thread, but when the guys went in it was a sunny day without a cloud in sight - the storm came through after they'd gone underground.
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Monst
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Gender: Female
| | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 23 on 3/20/2009 10:01 PM >
| | | | This is sad, and could have easily been avoided.
I feel bad for the rescue teams that had to risk their safety to try and save these two.
We've had a pretty crappy year weather wise in Toronto. I can't count the number of times I've had to postpone plans because of the weather. It sucks, but that's life. Risk assessment really seems to be overlooked more and more. If there's a safer time to go visit the location why not just wait awhile? Drains aren't going anywhere. It'll still be there after the storm blows over.
Taking some cool photos and showing your buddy a sweet drain isn't worth the risk when there's a giant typhoon predicted. idiots.
You must respect the fact that the tunnel you're climbing up was not built for urban explorers to take pretty pictures of. They are built for the sole purpose of redirecting massive quantities of water as quickly as possible so our streets and basements don't flood.
I suggest anyone who hasn't checked out a large outfall during even a minor storm to go take a look at just how much water can pour out of that pipe.
It can't be said enough;
when it rains, don't drain!
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whistlebait
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Location: Cincinnati, OH
Gender: Female
"There is no top. There are always further heights to reach."
| |  | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 24 on 3/21/2009 4:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
While I agree with you about boundaries, the problem is generally people who FA!L to recognize what their limits are. From what I have heard, this wasn't some newbie who didn't know the rules, but someone who used to go in drains. Shame he took a n00b with him.
Not to get too off topic, but this is the reason I won't answer questions about locations to people I don't know. Well the main reason anyways. I'd hate to think that I was responsible somehow for directing someone to a location and they do something utterly stupid that costs them their life. That storm looked so bad I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere except maybe my basement for shelter !
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Huge storm > totally flooded drain system > brave explorer = death
Good no one died trying to save or find them.
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Dougo
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Location: Victoria, Australia
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 25 on 3/24/2009 9:26 AM >
| | | | Posted by chumpster
This is why I don't particularly want to go draining. |
I've explored hundreds of drains totaling thousands of visits and I've never taken an amazing photo.
I have also explored dozens and dozens of buildings (100s of visits) and in my opinion drains are way safer. I'm talking about storm-drains not sewers. In my opinion the risk of exploring drains is a controlled risk. It's usually summer time flash-floods that kill people in drains. Brisbane may have 20 days like this a year maximum and Sydney a bit less (some can confirm this maybe). In Melbourne where it's wetter over the whole year (compared to the northern cities of Sydney and Brisbane) we may have 6 or 7 flash-floods are year. Most flash-floods don't last very long (most of our drains catchments are not all that large) but they destroy anything that is alien to the drain pretty quickly. Still, you have to be in a drain one of the few times one of these flash-floods hit and be totally unaware of it at all - 365 days a year.
Abandoned buildings can be dangerous any time of the year, morning, noon or night, even when they look safe (falling through a floor or off a ladder, asbestos, well you know the dangers - there are a heap of threads on it).
I know you can slip off of a ladder whilst climbing a drain waterfall, but by nature of drains you would usually be clinging on pretty tight.
I remember walking through Melbourne Power Station when Swipe just disappeared in front of me - Swipe had monkey reflexes and had saved himself from certain death by his finger-tips. A drain floor generally doesn't fall out from under you 
Mines... now they are another whole story!
Explore safely folks!
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Dougo
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Location: Victoria, Australia
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 26 on 3/24/2009 9:29 AM >
| | | | Posted by dsankt
mooommy mooooommy moooooommy |
Be proud of your Australian heritage...
"Mummmmmmy, mummmmmmy, muuuumy"
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Dougo
Wrong account -- Look for other Doug
Location: Victoria, Australia
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 27 on 3/24/2009 9:36 AM >
| | | | and thirdly...
it's (or was originally)
WHEN IT RAINS, NO DRAINS! ;)
Started by a C/C member in 1987 who was previously a co-founder of the Drain Dwellers (yes, drain-gangs had names like that in the 80s) who went by the name Cobra (yes, the 80s) and came from Melbourne. He used to love doing drains - he'd always say with his heavy Greek accent, "Ay Dougo mayyyte listen, let's go a do some draaaayyyyyynes".
He used the When it rains, no drains line in a media interview and it bacame part and parcle of drain exploring from that moment on.
Cheers,
Doug
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Crumpet
Location: Brisbane, AUS
Gender: Male
You know you're in Brisbane when...
| | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 28 on 3/24/2009 10:20 AM >
| | | | Posted by Dougo
WHEN IT RAINS, NO DRAINS!
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That's why I love drains. Barring any cataclysmic event, they'll still be there next week or next month, a date and time when it's not pissing down rain, for you to explore. If there's any valid concern, call it off and do it another day - the drain will still be there.
- Crumpet (http://www.urbanillusions.org)
[from micro's "drainer rules"] 3rd RULE: If someone says "rain" or "thunderstorm", the draining is over. |
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WarBird69
Location: Eastern TN
Gender: Male
Atomic Bird of War
| | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 29 on 3/24/2009 1:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by Yehoshua
I'd dabbled here and there with UE before, but it wasn't until a certain life disaster struck me really hard, that I started picking my way through collapsed floorboards, rotting support beams, skeletal beginnings of highrises and drains with water up to my chest. You're depressed, maybe even suicidal, you aren't sure -- but life doesn't seem living...until you realise you're one instant from death, and you find yourself thinking "God, don't let me plunge through the floor" -- then you realise you do want to live, even if you're not happy with your life. And then you enter the second phase...
It may not be true of the Brickworks or other 'photography' dens, but there are some days when you're gathering gear and thinking to yourself "Well, I'll make it home in one piece God-willing", but you know that there is that small chance that today will be your last day because you'll make a fatal mistake. You know you're taking a risk that most would deem "stupid", but that you believe the greatest risk of all is simply living for pussy, pilsners and pot. That you believe life isn't worth living, if one isn't willing to push the limits, and that any risk can be justified -- because if you come home from this adventure in one piece, it's going to have had a profound impact on your self-image, self-control and self-worth. You're going to have been the first person to survive going over Niagara Falls in a barrel, or something similar.
This Australian may have died, and may have even poorly calculated the risks to himself, nobody can really decide except him (although taking companions does increase guilt) -- but perhaps if he never went in drains, he would have been killed while crossing the street, in a botched liquor store robbery, or died of pneumonia after contracting it walking home one winter. To reduce my verbosity to a movie tagline, so even the lowest common denominators can walk away with a summary, "Everybody dies. Not everybody lives".
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This is a great post, and basically sums up everything I have been thinking. Kudos.
When twilight draws near, when you are pushed to the very limits of your soul, when it seems that all you have left are the dead remnants of the fabric of your life:
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Dougo
Wrong account -- Look for other Doug
Location: Victoria, Australia
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 30 on 3/24/2009 1:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by Crumpet
That's why I love drains. Barring any cataclysmic event, they'll still be there next week or next month, a date and time when it's not pissing down rain, for you to explore. If there's any valid concern, call it off and do it another day - the drain will still be there. |
Not ALWAYS
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metawaffle
King of Puns
Location: Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
| | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 31 on 3/24/2009 1:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by Dougo
Not ALWAYS
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That is one sad looking man.
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Dougo
Wrong account -- Look for other Doug
Location: Victoria, Australia
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 32 on 3/24/2009 1:46 PM >
| | | | Posted by metawaffle
That is one sad looking man. |
I look sad in THAT one?
I left this one out
When I get cheaper Net Access I will put some clips on YouTube (I have dozens and dozens of U.E. related clips... all a wee bit silly of course) included the one I did on the day these photos were taken.
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metawaffle
King of Puns
Location: Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
| | | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 33 on 3/24/2009 1:48 PM >
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Oh, the humanity! 
Bring on the clips, Doug!
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jhngaltjd
Gender: Male
| | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 34 on 3/24/2009 5:58 PM >
| | | | RIP friend.
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IIVQ
 
Location: La Sud-Est du cité majeur du North-Holland (Bijlmer), .NL
Gender: Male
Back in Urbex!
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<Reply # 35 on 3/26/2009 10:42 AM >
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NotBatman
Location: MSP
Gender: Male
Secret Cult Member
| | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 36 on 3/26/2009 12:44 PM >
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I'm pretty sure I could just make out The Flash on the leading edge of that cloud. Trenching indeed!
I'm a "Leave only footprints, take only pornography" kind of guy, myself. |
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Trap
Location: Dayton, Ohio
Gender: Male
Son, I am disappoint
| | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 37 on 3/26/2009 6:20 PM >
| | | | So Doug, what happened to that drain?
Posted by Send4Help:
ITS EIGHT FUCKING THIRTY!!
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rimare furtim
Location: Toronto
Gender: Female
nullum saeculum magnis ingeniis clausum est. -Seneca
| | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 38 on 3/26/2009 9:13 PM >
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I have to wonder about the security of that drain too. It's far from me, but each time something like this happens, it just makes it easier for people who know nothing about urban exploration to generalize and give the rest of us a bad name.
It was horribly sad that something like this happened.. but I don't know which is more depressing: a drain explorer dying, or a drain explorer purposely ignoring all the red lights and going ahead anyway.
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Trap
Location: Dayton, Ohio
Gender: Male
Son, I am disappoint
| | Re: Photographer dies in drain flood, Aus
<Reply # 39 on 3/27/2009 3:03 AM >
| | | | The second one. As bad as this will sound (and it will sound bad) it was his own damn fault. With a storm like THAT coming he was asking for it.
Posted by Send4Help:
ITS EIGHT FUCKING THIRTY!!
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