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 RedDragon
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
Gender: Male
UE Master Of Your Mom
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<Reply # 20 on 11/23/2008 12:52 AM >
|  | | | Posted by willskith
Dont get me wrong, I think Avalon Bay is the same type of company that has ruined America, but I'm just sick of seeing Danvers brought up constantly, often by people who never even went there. I wish I could have seen Danvers back in its prime, but it had a good run, and I unfortunately missed it. People who went should be happy they were able to see it, people who never got there should embrace the other awesome locations we have in the area. Its fine to have tributes and such, but Danvers is just brought up far too often.
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So if you've never been there why are you talking about it ? Maybe if you did see it you would understand why it warrants attention even today.
And last but certainly not least.......
[last edit 11/23/2008 1:14 PM by RedDragon - edited 2 times]
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Spelfie
 
Location: the pepper, MA
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 21 on 11/24/2008 3:28 AM >
| | | | Thank you RedDragon for the beautiful contribution. I really like #'s 1 and 2 a lot.
OK peoples I want moar!
Everyday we pass beauty by as we rush through our hurried lives. The world looks different if you take the time and walk slowly. |
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Debi
   
Location: Worcester County, MA
Gender: Female
| | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 22 on 11/24/2008 4:47 PM >
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Great pics Red. You just reinforced why Danvers "keeps being brought up".
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amy atomic
 
Location: Baltimore
Gender: Female
top banana of the baltimore bunch.
| | | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 23 on 11/24/2008 6:29 PM >
| | | | Great shot of A Ward, RedDragon. I can almost taste the paint chips (and no, I'm not really sure what I mean by that either...).
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Spelfie
Location: the pepper, MA
Gender: Female
| | | | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 24 on 11/24/2008 9:17 PM >
| | | | Posted by abandonedNH
Great shot of A Ward, RedDragon. I can almost taste the paint chips (and no, I'm not really sure what I mean by that either...).
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If they look like alligator skin, they taste minty... at least thats what I heard, I don't know from personal experience....
Everyday we pass beauty by as we rush through our hurried lives. The world looks different if you take the time and walk slowly. |
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Miker8805
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Location: Rhode Island
Gender: Male
aka. Mr. 74k1ng p00p5 1n y0ur 45ylum5,51nc3 1988
| | | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 25 on 11/24/2008 9:25 PM >
| | | | Posted by Spelfie
If they look like alligator skin, they taste minty... at least thats what I heard, I don't know from personal experience....
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coming from eating lead paint as a child, this looks like top of the line paint chips! very tasty!
- I am that guy
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fopjn01
 
Location: Springfield Ma. USA
Gender: Male
| | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 26 on 11/25/2008 4:28 AM >
| | | | Posted by Live-Bait
if it makes you guys feel better...they are having a hard time renting the apartments and a ton of people who have rented have moved out because of issues with the management company and shoddy construction which has resulted in hearing everything going on in the adjacent units, lol.
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Can they hear somebody saying "Do it Gordon"?
I'm so sorry, please forgive me for saying that. But MattTracker beat me to the orbz comment.
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LockOUT
Location: Abandoned pilgrim lock shop
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 27 on 11/25/2008 4:40 AM >
| | | | Saddly i never got to see danvers in her abandoned Glory but i did see it as avlon which was amazeing in itself but im sure not as much as it was a few years ago..
"allways searching for the key.......to......ummm.........the DOOR!...." |
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Miker8805
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Location: Rhode Island
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| | | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 28 on 11/25/2008 6:11 AM >
| | | | these are not my photos, but are great examples of the size / beauty of the place before avalon...
also a good before....
and after....
- I am that guy
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thelean
 
Location: Philly
Gender: Male
"yeah it looks like two models buts its actually a vegetarian and a girl"
| | | | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 29 on 11/25/2008 3:53 PM >
| | | | Danvers State was more than just a building. it was the surroundings, the history and the feeling you got when you were up there. It was incredible and im sorry I only made the trek up the hill to see it a few times. I dont think newcomers to this hobby really understand how amazing this kirkbride was and now because of AB they will never understand. AB did not care about the history of this building. The only thing they cared about was a prime location for their new cookie cutter apartment buildings. certain people gave up, money changed hands behind closed doors and a tragic mistake was made to destroy an invaluable historic landmark. make no mistake this building IS NOT Danvers State Hospital. it is a mere shadow of its former self surrounded by poorly constructed junk.
[last edit 11/25/2008 5:55 PM by thelean - edited 1 times]
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jukebox fuckup
Location: killadelphia
Gender: Female
| | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 30 on 11/25/2008 3:54 PM >
| | | | Avalon raped her... but most of these buildings do not even have a chance to be saved. Most of them get torn down without resistance.
I would consider myself lucky if there is anything left of Pennhurst by 2010.
Oh, and before it looks like I am downplaying what happened to Danvers.. looking at these pictures honestly makes me sad. Very, very sad.
[last edit 11/25/2008 3:57 PM by jukebox fuckup - edited 1 times]
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thelean
Location: Philly
Gender: Male
"yeah it looks like two models buts its actually a vegetarian and a girl"
| | | | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 31 on 11/25/2008 4:05 PM >
| | | | I hate to sound like a snob but Pennhurst is not Danvers. It will go down without a fight but Danvers didnt and it shouldnt have gone down at all. You cant compare a kirkbride to a state school (architecturally or on any historic level of significance). That being said I would love for them to save a few of those buildings.
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uedamien
Location: Under MA
Gender: Male
Re-Alive
| | | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 32 on 11/25/2008 4:08 PM >
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Hahaha thats awesome. I smacked that on the face of the dummy we hung up on the construction equipment back in 2005.
I miss DSH almost as much as I miss the Met.
I said, "Kiss me, you're beautiful -
These are truly the last days" |
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jukebox fuckup
Location: killadelphia
Gender: Female
| | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 33 on 11/25/2008 9:22 PM >
| | | | Posted by thelean
I hate to sound like a snob but Pennhurst is not Danvers. It will go down without a fight but Danvers didnt and it shouldnt have gone down at all. You cant compare a kirkbride to a state school (architecturally or on any historic level of significance). That being said I would love for them to save a few of those buildings.
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I know, I know...
I humblingly accept that Danvers was built at least 50 years earlier than Pennhurst on a Kirkbride plan that is rapidly disappearing, as Kirks get picked off one by one.
However, cottages are also getting picked off one-by-one and, in no time, we're going to loose them all.
...but whatcha going to care about when state schools/cottage plans become the new Kirkbrides in a sense that all of the Kirks are either demolished or renovated one way or another?
I really hate to say this as well because I do not feel that strongly, as a psychology student that keeps getting sucked into studying the history of psych, that one place is significantly better/more 'important' to another, but I have yet to find anything that significant or groundbreaking about the history of Danvers.
Most I can find? Danvers follows the formula of several hospitals- established during the era of moral treatment, had extensive overpopulation during the 1930s-1950s, followed desinstitutionalization and eventually shut down. Absolutely breathtaking building, but not much eye-opening history.
What does Pennhurst do that breaks the mold? For the first time *ever*, a mental patient in an institution carried a court case all the way up to the Supreme Court, regarding the conditions at the hospital. Because of the actions done by a mental patient in the 1970s, the Supreme Court ruled in his favor and set a new precedent. To my knowledge, the video segments "Suffer the Little Children" was a first, as well. Pennhurst earned its place in history, as the standards of decent treatment of the mentally impaired were formally recognized and upheld by the government.
Pennhurst is going down with a damn good fight. The presevationists (a law student and the last superintendent) are writing a book, Pennhurst was just listed as one of PA's most at-risk places by Preservation PA, we had successful meetings with politicians, public-awareness meetings, and we're getting lots of news coverage.
“Civilization today reminds me of an ape with a blowtorch playing in a room full of dynamite." |
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jukebox fuckup
Location: killadelphia
Gender: Female
| | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 34 on 11/25/2008 9:23 PM >
| | | | Let me add after that little rant...
I still wholeheartedly believe that Danvers was an amazing building and it absolutely deserved better.
...then again, and sadly, don't most places
[last edit 11/25/2008 9:24 PM by jukebox fuckup - edited 2 times]
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Caligula
Location: Long Island
Gender: Male
I'm a hipster who wrestled a bear,Once
| | | | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 35 on 11/26/2008 5:47 AM >
| | | | Posted by jukebox fuckup
Most I can find? Danvers follows the formula of several hospitals- established during the era of moral treatment, had extensive overpopulation during the 1930s-1950s, followed desinstitutionalization and eventually shut down. Absolutely breathtaking building, but not much eye-opening history.
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You basically just summed up every closed state hospital on the east coast..
CONservative governMENt
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jukebox fuckup
Location: killadelphia
Gender: Female
| | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 36 on 11/26/2008 6:17 AM >
| | | | Posted by Caligula
You basically just summed up every closed state hospital on the east coast..
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Eh... mabe I am a little biased...
But not Pennhurst, where the legal standards of decency was established to treat a patient.
Not St. E's either, where Walter Freeman first did his series of lobotomies... first hospital with a pathological lab... first hospital with a nursing school... first to test out truth serum, first attempt at fever therapy and so on...
Some of them do have unique histories, in relation to other hospitals. Some have something slightly more different than the established-overcrowding-abuse-deinstitutionalize-abandoned formula.
what makes one place 'better' than another? I have no right to tell you what you are or are not allowed to like, let alone how important a place is to you... but I can ramble about what I appreciate it in terms of history or architecture.
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Caligula
Location: Long Island
Gender: Male
I'm a hipster who wrestled a bear,Once
| | | | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 37 on 11/26/2008 6:41 AM >
| | | | You never really hear about those interesting little tid bits about locations. Always the typical shit that every other location has.
Like for instance, At St E's. The guy who assinated Garfield was a patient there.
From Wikipedia
Throughout the trial and up until his execution, Guiteau was housed at St. Elizabeths Hospital in the southeastern quadrant of Washington, D.C.
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Or that Pilgrim State has the most give lobotomies in the U.S(not 100% sure on that) Pilgrim was also the largest hospital in the world at one point
From Wikipedia
After the war, Pilgrim experienced a surge in patient numbers that made it the world's largest hospital, topping out at 13,875 patients and over 4,000 employees in 1954.
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The guy who made the the skippy character that is/was on the Skippy peanut butter jars was a patient at Kings park and painted the murals in 93.
Lizzie Borden, Was a patient at Taunton.
A closed hospital in CT(Lesser known,Rhymes with Caresealed) was on MTV's F.E.A.R
That's all I can really think of off the top of my head.
[last edit 11/26/2008 6:43 AM by Caligula - edited 1 times]
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http://www.flickr....s/actofdepression/
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thelean
Location: Philly
Gender: Male
"yeah it looks like two models buts its actually a vegetarian and a girl"
| | | | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 38 on 11/26/2008 2:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by jukebox fuckup
Eh... mabe I am a little biased...
But not Pennhurst, where the legal standards of decency was established to treat a patient.
Not St. E's either, where Walter Freeman first did his series of lobotomies... first hospital with a pathological lab... first hospital with a nursing school... first to test out truth serum, first attempt at fever therapy and so on...
Some of them do have unique histories, in relation to other hospitals. Some have something slightly more different than the established-overcrowding-abuse-deinstitutionalize-abandoned formula.
what makes one place 'better' than another? I have no right to tell you what you are or are not allowed to like, let alone how important a place is to you... but I can ramble about what I appreciate it in terms of history or architecture.
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I can tell you theres a lot more to danvers history than that... not in a few sentences though. I guess I am also biased because I own all of the Danvers annual reports from when it first opened up until the early 1900s
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abandonedpa
Location: Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
| | Re: Tribute to Danvers
<Reply # 39 on 11/26/2008 6:27 PM >
| | | | Posted by jukebox fuckup
Not St. E's either, where Walter Freeman first did his series of lobotomies... first hospital with a pathological lab... first hospital with a nursing school... first to test out truth serum, first attempt at fever therapy and so on...
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Hmm - a little clarification is needed here.
Freeman did not start lobotomizing while at St. E's.
Freeman was in charge of the Blackburn Laboratory there from 1920-1934. Freeman left St. E's to go to George Washington University.
Freeman first performed a lobotomy (not icepick but by craniotomy) in 1936 with James Watts - 2 years after he stopped working at St. Elizabeth's. Egas Monis - who won the Nobel Prize for developing & performing the first leucotomy in Portugal which sparked Freeman's interest - wasn't performed until Nov 12, 1935 - the details which Freeman would read and go on from weren't published until 1936.
In addition, the Superintendent (William White) at St. E's during Freeman's tenure did not allow him to perform lobotomies at the hospital. White served in the Superintendent position from 1903-1937.
Once Superintendent Overholser took over in 1937 - he did eventually allow Freeman to perform lobotomies on St. E's patients though Freeman was no longer employed by St. E's.
-abpa
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