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 trent
      
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
 |  |  | Respirators: Full face or goggles?
< on 9/22/2008 6:43 PM >
|  | | | I know, I know. There are millions of respirators on UER. However, I'm not sure if this specific issue has been thoroughly discussed.
I would love to have a full face respirator. But besides being more expensive, I'm also concerned that I wouldn't be able to accurately look through the viewfinder of an SLR camera. Has anyone ran across a full face respirator where the mask is still close to your face. I know kinda weird right? Too bad they don't make respirators with photography in mind.
I'm expecting the previous paragraph to be 100% fail. Due to that I was thinking about picking up a half-face 3M 6000 series respirator. That's okay because it's cheaper and I can shoot photos.
However, there is basically one place, maybe two, that I know of where I would actually want to wear eye protection. Do you think I would be able to luck out getting a pair of goggles that I would be able to wear while wearing the 3M 6000 series and also shoot photos that don't suck? (Not that the photos are any good when I can see well)
My concern is that the goggles may not fit correctly due to the respirator's nose piece being up near my nose and between my eyes.
To summarize:
1) Can you shoot with a full-face?
2) Has anyone tried wearing goggles with a 3M 6000 series or something similar?
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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pezking4
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
Gender: Male
| | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 1 on 9/22/2008 6:57 PM >
| | | | Why is eye protection needed? What are the hazards in those couple of locations?
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 2 on 9/22/2008 7:08 PM >
| | | | I photograph male pornography.
Nah, mostly it would be organics like a combined sewer system with shit water spraying and misting. Also, there is a location in my area with lots of chemical vapors...ones I just would prefer not to be touching my eyes.
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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pezking4
Location: Raleigh, NC
Gender: Male
| | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 3 on 9/22/2008 7:14 PM >
| | | | You should be fine with a half mask and goggles then. If you go to a store that sells personal protective equipment you may find some good options that fit over your eyes but do not stick out as far as the typical cheap goggles you would buy at a home improvement store.
Not sure about you, but the most annoying part about wearing those items is I also wear prescription glasses. Something that helps out a little is adding an eyepiece extender to the camera. You get used to it quickly and it gives just a little more room between your face and the back of the camera which may be the difference maker.
I become capability. I become the horror. What we know we can become only in our heart of darkness. It's my gift. It's my curse. |
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consecrated
Location: Connecticut
Gender: Male
Æthereal
| | | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 4 on 9/22/2008 7:46 PM >
| | | | I have an MSA Advantage 1000 I got through work. It's designed for CBRN but you can still use it for simple particulates or nuisance odors with specific filters. It happens to have the speaking diaphragm which is cool but not really useful to me.
The lens is bulbous and provides a great field of view. As far as answering your questions...
If I need goggles and a respirator I use this mask. Otherwise I just use my 3M. The MSA provides greater protection (typically overkill) but shooting is harder. Because the lens is somewhat spherical and designed for impact not optics, there are small aberrations when looking at bright lights. It's hard to shoot in MF of course (clarity) but I can do well with AF. It is relatively close to your face and slightly spherical as I said though which allows a tighter fit to the rubber on the viewfinder.
I'm rambling... to put it simply: If I am wearing this mask I shoot mostly in auto.
I like the mask a lot but let's face it, it's not made for photography. I do agree with and highly recommend protecting your eyes at all times though. In addition to just chemicals, mists and what not, communicable diseases are easily transferred through ocular fluid.
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dynastar666
Location: Burlington, VT
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 5 on 9/23/2008 6:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by theshadowman
I have an MSA Advantage 1000 I got through work. It's designed for CBRN but you can still use it for simple particulates or nuisance odors with specific filters. It happens to have the speaking diaphragm which is cool but not really useful to me.
The lens is bulbous and provides a great field of view. As far as answering your questions...
If I need goggles and a respirator I use this mask. Otherwise I just use my 3M. The MSA provides greater protection (typically overkill) but shooting is harder. Because the lens is somewhat spherical and designed for impact not optics, there are small aberrations when looking at bright lights. It's hard to shoot in MF of course (clarity) but I can do well with AF. It is relatively close to your face and slightly spherical as I said though which allows a tighter fit to the rubber on the viewfinder.
I'm rambling... to put it simply: If I am wearing this mask I shoot mostly in auto.
I like the mask a lot but let's face it, it's not made for photography. I do agree with and highly recommend protecting your eyes at all times though. In addition to just chemicals, mists and what not, communicable diseases are easily transferred through ocular fluid.
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I have an Aearo respirator for painting that I sometimes bring with me if I'm worried about breathing in some bad stuff. I also have Scott SCBA Facepiece with an attachment for dust/mold/NBC which is for my day job but t I have used it for UE once when I was in a place with a lot of mold.
I shoot photos.
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 6 on 9/23/2008 7:00 PM >
| | | | Thanks for the input guys. Ended up going with a 3M 6000 series. No goggles yet, but I'm sure I'll be able to find something online that would fit.
Ended up ordering from this place that velcozepplin told me about: http://www.gallawayb2b.com/
Good prices, reasonable shipping, and the owner actually called me just to make sure everything went okay with the order. I guess they just recently implemented the online ordering.
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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Hobbes
Location: Finland
Gender: Male
| | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 7 on 9/23/2008 9:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by trent
Thanks for the input guys. Ended up going with a 3M 6000 series.
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I also have the 3M 6000 series halfmask. I have tried several different models, and I think it fits best for me. It's also very easy to breath through and fairly easy to speak while wearing it.
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willskith
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 8 on 9/23/2008 10:42 PM >
| | | | The 3M 6000 is not only comfortable, it works well and it is easy to find. Drop by your local home depot and get one
[last edit 9/23/2008 10:42 PM by willskith - edited 2 times]
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Core
Location: MI
Gender: Male
Warning: Some side effects may occur
| | | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 9 on 10/2/2008 12:11 PM >
| | | | I went with a North 5500 half face mask myself, with this filter http://www.anderso..._75SCP100_708.html I also got a pair of goggles to use with the mask and found that the larger ones don't fit 100% b/c of the mask, but the smaller goggles should be ok like http://www.gallawa...ty-Goggles-4501400, just make sure they don't have vents on them. I made that mistake and got a pair of contrast enhancing goggles but they're useless in a dusty, wet or irritating gas environment because they have vents on them to reduce fogging. You could try swim goggles, they're small and they will definately seal around your eyes.
[last edit 10/2/2008 12:12 PM by Core - edited 1 times]
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Neural-Interface
neural stimulation deep in your mind synapses burning as we're living by the bassline
| | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 10 on 10/9/2008 11:43 PM >
| | | | I love my 3M 6000 with p100s. I've considered getting cartridges to deal with gases, but my concern there is that it would inhibit the sense of smell. I'd be able to deal with harsher airborn contaminants, but if I can't smell them, I won't know to get out of a nasty place.
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Mickael
 
Moderator
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 11 on 10/10/2008 12:02 AM >
| | | | I like paintball and I do some paintball photography.
I've managed to be able to snap pictures with a complete photo equipment (30d + 70-200) with a paintball mask.
It's hard to frame your shots but it's not impossible.
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RochesterUE
Gender: Male
I'm a piggie!
| | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 12 on 10/11/2008 12:42 AM >
| | | | So Trent, the meet is tomorrow, what'd you end up going with?
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There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop... |
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 13 on 10/11/2008 12:49 PM >
| | | | I nixed the full face and went with the 6000 series. I don't need eye protection and will pick that up when I need it.
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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blacksunshine
Location: The Midwest
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 14 on 11/26/2008 9:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by theshadowman
If I need goggles and a respirator I use this mask. Otherwise I just use my 3M. The MSA provides greater protection (typically overkill)
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Typically? Try most likely. I've only seen someone go over a PEL one time in my life. The idiots were doing a scrap on a piece of equipment at a Nuke plant and were letting the shit fall into their pers pumps, thus overloading the things with 'stos.
99.99% of the time a UERer only needs a half mask. If you're going into an old chem factory or old munitions plant I would recco a full face PAPR with the proper filters (normally a two stage with one being a HEPA) as it makes breathing less labored.
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AnAppleSnail
Location: Charlotte, NC
Gender: Male
ALL the flashlights!
| | | | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 15 on 11/27/2008 1:21 AM >
| | | | Posted by blacksunshine
If you're going into an old chem factory or old munitions plant I would recco a full face PAPR with the proper filters (normally a two stage with one being a HEPA) as it makes breathing less labored.
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And at this point we're wearing the _rest_ of our chempervious gear, right? I know people who go marching in with jeans, a windbreaker, gloves, and "a full-face respirator, for protection from the chemicals spilled."
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sword_fish
| | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 16 on 12/4/2008 1:29 AM >
| | | | Well actually you can get sick and get diseases through your eyes..... so eye protect is a factor.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 17 on 12/10/2008 11:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by sword_fish
Well actually you can get sick and get diseases through your eyes..... so eye protect is a factor.
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Yeah but speaking in this hobby, you shouldn't be hitting diseases you can get easily in the eyes, and while dust and other bad crap can get in your eyes, most of it is flushed out when you blink. If your dealing with a heavy chemical area and its gonna get in your eyes you probably are getting the same crap through your skin as well.
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Aleksandar
Location: United States
Gender: Male
your darkest shadow, my oldest friend; the world's become ashes, this is the end.
| | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 18 on 12/11/2008 12:13 AM >
| | | | just wear swim goggles then. each eye individually sealed w/ silicon; doesn't bother your half mask.
Freedom breeds war; and Peace, slavery. So it shall be forevermore: Men who love freedom buy it with their lives, and lovers of peace with their freedom. |
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LiveAudio
Location: Greenville SC
Gender: Male
Along came a spider
| | Re: Respirators: Full face or goggles?
<Reply # 19 on 6/10/2009 8:02 AM >
| | | | Something that I haven't seen mentioned before are situations where respirators are simply not enough. In locations where there may not be enough oxygen, in in places where there is ammonia or other non-organic compounds, a respirator is simply not enough. organic compound canisters and p100 filters are unable to filter ammonia out of the air. They are also unable to effectively filter gaseous hydrogen chloride, hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen cyanide, chlorine gas, carbon monoxide or carbon dioxide.
If you are in a sanitary sewer and it is well sealed, you can run into a situation where there is oxygen depletion or an ammonia cloud. Oxygen depletion is very hard to detect, and you may not notice it at all. Ammonia sometimes forms hazy clouds in confined spaces. Inhaling enough ammonia will cause serious lung damage!
If you EVER feel light headed while doing anything, get to fresh air. If it doesn't get better, you need to get treatment fast.
For 99.9% of UE this won't be an issue, but if you enter a sealed sewer or zero airflow confined space, your respirator might be the wrong tool.
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