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 mixism
Location: Swift Current, SK
 |  | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 20 on 9/17/2008 8:07 AM >
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I don't see why any impartial, all-knowing wiki-editor would completely erase the section on ethics. Shouldn't that be one of the more important parts of the article? You could always cite infiltration.org as one of the sources.
Posted by officeninja
as a general rule most everyone i know, myself included tend not to trust anything that contains the words "wiki" & "pedia" together
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QFT. Wikipedia's handy for getting a general idea about of certain (non-controversial) subjects, and tracking down source material. Parody wikis are more fun... at least they're upfront about being bullshit.
[last edit 9/17/2008 8:08 AM by mixism - edited 1 times]
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Dougo
 
Wrong account -- Look for other Doug
Location: Victoria, Australia
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 21 on 9/18/2008 10:56 AM >
| | | | Posted by dcf98
Yeah, I've seen you on there, Seicer. Thought you sounded familiar (I'm "SMC" on there).
The biggest problem with that article (and with the Cave Clan article, too, which I tried cleaning up/defending from deletion at one point) is that POV contributors keep using Wikipedia's "guidelines" as an excuse to maintain "neutrality"; this also means that genuine explorers trying to contribute meaningfully get reverted. That's Wikipedia for you, I guess.
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Wikipedia would be hilarious if it wasn't so wrong.
FacialBook is killing online forums. |
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MutantMandias
      
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
| | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 23 on 9/18/2008 1:22 PM >
| | | | So, does anyone here run a MediaWiki install?
I just found out that I will be owning the environment at work, and basically deciding usage policies and.... whatever else needs deciding. It's typically a very conservative company when it comes to communication and user control, but I've been forcing the thighs open for a few years now. Still this is almost being done under the radar, so I'd like to know about any kind of challenges I might expect in a corporate (hopefully non- flaming and trolling) environment.
mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
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seicer
 
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 24 on 9/18/2008 2:07 PM >
| | | | Posted by MutantMandias
So, does anyone here run a MediaWiki install?
I just found out that I will be owning the environment at work, and basically deciding usage policies and.... whatever else needs deciding. It's typically a very conservative company when it comes to communication and user control, but I've been forcing the thighs open for a few years now. Still this is almost being done under the radar, so I'd like to know about any kind of challenges I might expect in a corporate (hopefully non- flaming and trolling) environment.
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Unfortunately, we've been running our corporate wiki through Sharepoint, which is a pain-in-the-ass at times to deal with.
I don't think you'll have to deal with many challenges. MediaWiki is pretty open and straightforward to work with, and the only major issues I can see is people adding in non-work information and images, creating their userpages to resemble their MySpace profile and the like. Images should rarely be used unless it is of your own or are in Fair Use. How many are going to be using it?
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 25 on 9/18/2008 2:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by seicer
through Sharepoint
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Same in my company... *BARF* though we also have some just normal IT wiki's too. Normal non-IT people get Sharepoint. Sucks for them.
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
| | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 26 on 9/18/2008 2:20 PM >
| | | | Well, the starting group is only like 50 to 80 people. They've been using it in a lab install for a few months, but we're taking it to production now. I know that a lot of people want on it. We have a few thousand IT-ish people, which would be our primary users.
Yeah, I put in SharePoint 2003 years ago and now am trying to migrate to a 5 server MOSS 2007 farm. We have like 10,000 users and 100 GB of data on SharePoint. It works pretty well for what it is, especially since we use other products to act as a portal and as a document repository.
Wow. Those SharePoint wiki pages aren't really useful for more than the most basic of stuff. Sorry about that.
mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 27 on 9/18/2008 2:28 PM >
| | | | In regards to the UE wiki entry... I don't deal with the wikipedia politics too much so I dont know. Instead of making minor edits to some sections that keep getting reverted by the assholes, instead would it work if we collaboratively re-wrote the entire article from scratch here (with citations and sources up the ass) and then overwrite whatever they have there?
Of course they could still revert it back, but if we come up some something better with lots of citation it might work, right? I guess we'd just have to avoid any controversial topics or a subject that we can't quote to a book or reputable website. Can we just quote "all access" and some other books a bunch of times?
I know people will say it will still get reverted, but that's BS. I'm down for a war. What are they going to do when all of UER monitors the wiki all day long and keeps reverting it back to our new article....that is unless someone actually makes a good edit to what we wrote.
There's more of us that care about that wikipedia entry than there is people reverting it back all the time.
Lets go to war.
Even if they win, it will still suck for them.
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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MutantMandias
Perverse and Often Baffling
Location: Atlanta, GA
Gender: Male
Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.
| | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 28 on 9/18/2008 2:31 PM >
| | | | I guess seicer would know best, but it seems to me that the typical response to a complete rewrite would be to revert.
But, upon reflection, you are psychic:
Posted by trent
I know people will say it will still get reverted
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[last edit 9/18/2008 2:33 PM by MutantMandias - edited 1 times]
mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias
mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being |
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 29 on 9/18/2008 2:35 PM >
| | | | Posted by MutantMandias
I guess seicer would know best, but it seems to me that the typical response to a complete rewrite would be to revert.
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To which I or someone else from UER quickly re-reverts to our new accurate article.
Also, the main point I'm going for here is when we re-write it, it really has to be well done in Wiki standards so they can't add that needs citations and verifications BS. So when they revert, they are actually reverting from okay quality to shit quality. We'd only be able to win by offering up a better article that is fair for all readers.
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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DevilC
Location: Washington, District of Corruption
Gender: Male
I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their views.
| | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 30 on 9/18/2008 2:37 PM >
| | | | Lorton Prison before it was demo'd on one side and renovated on the other.
It's an arts center where the minimun sec was and suburbia where the Maxx was.
Posted by shane_fromva
Found this in the saftey/legality part.
"In one incident, web-postings and photographs from the web-site Urban Exploration Resource were cited as evidence that explorers were trespassing in a closed prison in Northern Virginia. Users had posted specific details on entry points and how access to the disused facility posed no great difficulties"
Anybody know more about this?
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Science flies you to the Moon. Religion flies you into tall buildings. |
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c1rc4
Location: Northern Virginia
Gender: Female
| | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 31 on 9/18/2008 3:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by shane_fromva
Found this in the saftey/legality part.
"In one incident, web-postings and photographs from the web-site Urban Exploration Resource were cited as evidence that explorers were trespassing in a closed prison in Northern Virginia. Users had posted specific details on entry points and how access to the disused facility posed no great difficulties"
Anybody know more about this?
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Really I don't think that happened, but I do know that I've been contacted by people in the press to talk about the prison before, as they came across me here. The security is too busy doing useless stuff to look on the internet and actually follow through with something. What a retarded quote..
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DevilC
Location: Washington, District of Corruption
Gender: Male
I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their views.
| | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 32 on 9/18/2008 5:18 PM >
| | | | Well, it did happen.
There are many things in this world you either are not privy to, or missed in the newspaper.
Killing me here.
Posted by c1rc4
Really I don't think that happened,
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Science flies you to the Moon. Religion flies you into tall buildings. |
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 33 on 9/18/2008 5:30 PM >
| | | | There were posts in the Lorton thread, but those have been removed.
Abandoned |
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TurboZutek
King Dick
Location: Scotland
Gender: Male
Giant octo-penised rapephant
| |  | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 34 on 9/18/2008 7:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by c1rc4
....as they came across me here...
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Woah. Bet you weren't expecting THAT!
Chris...
We all had ostriches. My dad had an ostrich farm! I remember one day someone came in and said the high altitude bombing of Kosovo had been a limited success, so we all went out and celebrated… by killing an ostrich and boiling it in kiwi fruit. |
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DJ Craig
 
Moderator
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
Break the Silence
| |  | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 36 on 9/19/2008 7:29 PM >
| | | | I think it would just get locked by an admin, and then no one would be able to make changes at all. In fact, even if the wrong person saw this thread on here, the article would likely get locked for a while. What we really need is just someone who understands Wikipedia guidelines or at least has the time to do some research on them. It is frustrating, but I think this is important for the community as a whole. Whether Wikipedia is reliable or not, it is used by a LOT of people. The Wikipedia UE article was my first introduction to the UE community (I was a UEer before that, I just didn't know it), and I don't think I'm the only one. Wikipedia is an incredible resource and, yes, it has its problems, but we have to deal with that and work around them.
http://en.wikipedi...ies_and_guidelines
http://en.wikipedi...a:List_of_policies
Posted by trent
In regards to the UE wiki entry... I don't deal with the wikipedia politics too much so I dont know. Instead of making minor edits to some sections that keep getting reverted by the assholes, instead would it work if we collaboratively re-wrote the entire article from scratch here (with citations and sources up the ass) and then overwrite whatever they have there?
Of course they could still revert it back, but if we come up some something better with lots of citation it might work, right? I guess we'd just have to avoid any controversial topics or a subject that we can't quote to a book or reputable website. Can we just quote "all access" and some other books a bunch of times?
I know people will say it will still get reverted, but that's BS. I'm down for a war. What are they going to do when all of UER monitors the wiki all day long and keeps reverting it back to our new article....that is unless someone actually makes a good edit to what we wrote.
There's more of us that care about that wikipedia entry than there is people reverting it back all the time.
Lets go to war.
Even if they win, it will still suck for them.
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"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." -Dr. Suess |
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DJ Craig
Moderator
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
Break the Silence
| | | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 37 on 1/5/2009 3:59 AM >
| | | | Still not great, but the article does seem to have improved quite a bit in the 3 months since this thread was last active! 
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." -Dr. Suess |
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CaptOrbit
Location: Sarasota, FL or Cincinnati, OH
Gender: Male
There you are, right back in the jungle again.
| | | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 38 on 1/5/2009 7:53 AM >
| | | | Posted by DJ Craig
I think this is important for the community as a whole. Whether Wikipedia is reliable or not, it is used by a LOT of people. The Wikipedia UE article was my first introduction to the UE community
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...and adding to that problem...
To some people who are only casually looking the Wikipedia page is the only insight they will ever have into the world of UE.
The personal responsibility train left the station years ago, and you gave it the finger as you watched it leave. |
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galax
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
Gender: Male
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all.
| | Re: UE Wikipedia article needs some work!!!
<Reply # 39 on 1/5/2009 10:52 AM >
|  | | | Posted by Boffo
I actually have heard it referred to as urban spelunking.......
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Better then Building Hacking... Thats on there too.. way worse..
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws." |
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