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 shellyl
     
Location: Lenoir NC
Gender: Female
I have learned not sweat the petty things and not to pet the sweaty things.
 |  | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 20 on 7/16/2008 3:47 PM >
|  | | | Posted by willskith
i dont feel like explaining myself again. I said the same thing in a thread recently and someone got a stick up their ass about it, so I'll just repeat what I told him. But I'll fucking stand by everything I say. A good cop... is a dead cop.
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So if you didn't feel like explaining yourself again why did you respond?
Beyond that I am not going to do the right thing this time and hash it out in a PM as I did before. Since you are exercising your right to your views and opinions I will do the same. Yes, before it gets said "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they usually stink" I will say that is all well and good and yes I am sure my ass stinks just as yours does.
Your point of checks and balances does not wash. The checks and balances in place in all aspects of life involve humans who do not follow rules 100% of the time. remember they are set by other humans. So with that being said, the next time your car breaks down because of a part that has been made by a human that has checks and balances in place, is it ok to say that all good assembly workers are dead assembly workers?
A mirage is not an optical illusion. It is a real phenomenon, and one can take photographs of it. The interpretation of the image, however, is up to the fantasy of the human mind.
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NoSuchPerson
  
Stop, or I'll ask you again!
| | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 21 on 7/16/2008 4:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by willskith
A good cop... is a dead cop.
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I don't appreciate death threats.
Further more, it's EXACTLY this kind of attitude that is going to get you on the wrong side of the law. It isn't my job to judge people, but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that you have been caught by the Police for doing something you shouldn't have been, and because you aren't mature enough to own up to your own mistake you're taking it out on those who's job it is to do so.
Suck it up, your opinion of the Law Enforcement doesn't mean more than a pile of manure, however Law Enforcement's opinion of you means more than you can imagine.
Unit calling radio say again? |
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NoSuchPerson
Stop, or I'll ask you again!
| | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 22 on 7/16/2008 4:12 PM >
| | | | Further, I should mention...One day when YOU need the help of the Police for whatever reason, I bet you'll change your mind pretty quickly. Funny how some people never respect the job that Law Enforcement (including Security Guards) do until they need help themselves.
Picture this. If I was a guard at a site and you gave me verbal abuse...then I found you dangling from one leg upside down from something - do you think I'm going to go out of my way to call for EMS? Hell no.
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willskith
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 23 on 7/16/2008 4:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by ActionSatisfaction Esq.
Hm, while I share your views on the wielding of too much power, I wonder what you would suggest be done about it? Do you believe a society without law enforcement could work? Should it be put solely in the hands of the people? Because unfortunately there are people who need others to protect them.
Or do you simply believe the system should be overhauled? How could this problem be fixed? I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.
I still believe you're going way to far with it. Just because they wield too much authority doesn't mean they deserve to die. What about the ones who wield their authority wisely? That's pretty much the definition of a good cop. The guy who gave me that ticket used his authority in a completely appropriate way, and I'm saying this even after paying the 70$ ticket. Are you saying even those who don't abuse their authority are bad??
You might think to say they all abuse it in one way or another, but some things don't really can't count. The cop using his lights to get through a traffic jam is fine with me, if I could do it myself I would.
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Your still misinterpreting the saying. I am not saying go out and kill a cop, I'm saying that "good cop" is a paradox and that means the only way you could be a "good cop" is if you were not a cop. Or dead.
I think all we really need to fix the problems we have is to have the power distributed more. A society without laws wouldnt work, we just need a healthy balance in which the people have some control over their own lives, but at the same time they have someone to protect them from themselves and eachother. As it stands it usually comes down to the cops word vs. ours in many cases, and they have a status that makes them basically unquestionable. They think that just because they enforce the law that they are above it.
grit your teeth in the face of fear. self repression is the true sign of a coward, toss your inhibitions to the wind. |
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 24 on 7/16/2008 4:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by exkalibur
I don't appreciate death threats. |
Since when are you a cop?
Anyways, Jello Biafra ran for mayor once on a weird platform that included one rather good idea, that being that cops should be elected by the neighbourhoods they patrol. At the very least, I think cops should have to live where they work, I think a lot of potential for abuse of power would disappear pretty quickly. This is primarily an idea for urban environments, and obviously would not work with more specialized divisions like homicide, forensics, sex crime, traffic, etc.
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micro
 
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 25 on 7/16/2008 4:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by exkalibur
I don't appreciate death threats.
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But you're not really a cop..
Edit: Damn you, Mortimer!!
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willskith
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 26 on 7/16/2008 4:50 PM >
| | | | Posted by shellyl
Your point of checks and balances does not wash. The checks and balances in place in all aspects of life involve humans who do not follow rules 100% of the time. remember they are set by other humans. So with that being said, the next time your car breaks down because of a part that has been made by a human that has checks and balances in place, is it ok to say that all good assembly workers are dead assembly workers?
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The difference is car mechanics can't get away with making decisions that affect people's daily lives, ruining lives, or even taking lives.
Posted by exkalibur
I don't appreciate death threats.
Further more, it's EXACTLY this kind of attitude that is going to get you on the wrong side of the law. It isn't my job to judge people, but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that you have been caught by the Police for doing something you shouldn't have been, and because you aren't mature enough to own up to your own mistake you're taking it out on those who's job it is to do so.
Suck it up, your opinion of the Law Enforcement doesn't mean more than a pile of manure, however Law Enforcement's opinion of you means more than you can imagine.
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read my explanation above. it was no death threat.
If you are not a cop, you are already on the wrong side of the law. Its up to the police whether they want to take advantage of it or not. Like I said, they can do good things or be good people, but there can't be a good cop as long as the law enforcement system is so fucked, and your closing statement just goes to prove all that I have been saying. I've been caught for my fair share of stupid things, but I blame myself for what I did, not the cop. Your making assumptions and not reading whats right in front of you.
Posted by mortimer
Jello Biafra ran for mayor once on a weird platform that included one rather good idea, that being that cops should be elected by the neighbourhoods they patrol. At the very least, I think cops should have to live where they work, I think a lot of potential for abuse of power would disappear pretty quickly. This is primarily an idea for urban environments, and obviously would not work with more specialized divisions like homicide, forensics, sex crime, traffic, etc.
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A step in the right direction
grit your teeth in the face of fear. self repression is the true sign of a coward, toss your inhibitions to the wind. |
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 27 on 7/16/2008 5:24 PM >
| | | | I think the biggest thing that is getting overlooked is that when you say 'the only good cop is a dead cop' it pisses people off. Regardless of all your political and sociological reasoning behind it, it's still just down right offensive to many people. So why keep saying it? Sometimes you just have to cut your losses and move on.
Now a couple days ago when you posted that same quote, some people didn't take it kindly (of course me being one of them). By posting that you saw the UER reaction from it. So now you posted it again and the reaction is even larger. Did you expect it go smoothly this time? Why post things that you know will obviously aggravate many people here? Are you going to give it another try next week when some other thread mentions a police officer?
You can keep defending your statement all you want. Have at it. It's actually good entertainment. But whatever you say, it's probably not going to change the public majority option about the original quote. You actually might have some good points, but your original message is still flawed. You might want to think of a better way of saying that to avoid these types of situations.
-TR
"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in"
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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ActionSatisfaction Esq.
Location: Newark, NJ
Gender: Male
Action always satisfies
| | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 28 on 7/16/2008 5:40 PM >
| | | | Posted by willskith
Your still misinterpreting the saying. I am not saying go out and kill a cop, I'm saying that "good cop" is a paradox and that means the only way you could be a "good cop" is if you were not a cop. Or dead.
I think all we really need to fix the problems we have is to have the power distributed more. A society without laws wouldnt work, we just need a healthy balance in which the people have some control over their own lives, but at the same time they have someone to protect them from themselves and each other. As it stands it usually comes down to the cops word vs. ours in many cases, and they have a status that makes them basically unquestionable. They think that just because they enforce the law that they are above it.
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No, I understand what you're saying completely. You're not understanding what I'm telling you. You're saying essentially that no cop is good because they abuse power and act above the law. I'm saying that's not always true, so you are incorrect. "Good cop" is not a paradox, because they do exist. Ones that don't abuse power and authority. They might all have the ability to do so, but not all of them do. Having the ability to do so doesn't make them bad either, it's simply the way things are. That's the only thing I'm arguing dude.
I see what you mean, but if you read what you described, you explained what a police force is essentially supposed to do. What you have to realize is that no matter what, no entity set to protect us will ever work perfectly, and that there will always be corruption. There's just no way around it.
"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life." - T.R. |
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ActionSatisfaction Esq.
Location: Newark, NJ
Gender: Male
Action always satisfies
| | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 29 on 7/16/2008 5:50 PM >
| | | | Posted by TrentReznor
Now a couple days ago when you posted that same quote, some people didn't take it kindly (of course me being one of them). By posting that you saw the UER reaction from it. So now you posted it again and the reaction is even larger. Did you expect it go smoothly this time? Why post things that you know will obviously aggravate many people here? Are you going to give it another try next week when some other thread mentions a police officer?
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I believe it's called trolling. 
"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life." - T.R. |
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 30 on 7/16/2008 5:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by ActionSatisfaction Esq.
I believe it's called trolling.
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Yah I think I've heard it called that before too. 
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He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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shellyl
Location: Lenoir NC
Gender: Female
I have learned not sweat the petty things and not to pet the sweaty things.
| | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 31 on 7/16/2008 6:00 PM >
| | | | Posted by willskith
The difference is car mechanics can't get away with making decisions that affect people's daily lives, ruining lives, or even taking lives.
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Really? Let me replace your brakes or play with your drive shaft. It was a simple example that I now see was way over your head.
Now I will put it in simple terms that you can understand mister. When you get angry PM's from folks that tell you to cut the crap and making statements about people being better off dead you should just give it up. Don't give that same argument that did not fly with us the last time. Move on to the finer points of lonely chairs and peeling paint.
A mirage is not an optical illusion. It is a real phenomenon, and one can take photographs of it. The interpretation of the image, however, is up to the fantasy of the human mind.
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willskith
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 32 on 7/16/2008 6:22 PM >
| | | | Posted by ActionSatisfaction Esq.
No, I understand what you're saying completely. You're not understanding what I'm telling you. You're saying essentially that no cop is good because they abuse power and act above the law. I'm saying that's not always true, so you are incorrect. "Good cop" is not a paradox, because they do exist. Ones that don't abuse power and authority. They might all have the ability to do so, but not all of them do. Having the ability to do so doesn't make them bad either, it's simply the way things are. That's the only thing I'm arguing dude.
I see what you mean, but if you read what you described, you explained what a police force is essentially supposed to do. What you have to realize is that no matter what, no entity set to protect us will ever work perfectly, and that there will always be corruption. There's just no way around it.
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There is always room for improvement.
And I'll stand by what I said. We have to abide to whatever a cop wants, simply because they are considered above the law. They have one way laws and reprisal on their side, so they are an ungovernable force. They can do good things or be good people, but because of the amount of power police have been given, there is no such thing as a "good cop."
Posted by shellyl
Really? Let me replace your brakes or play with your drive shaft. It was a simple example that I now see was way over your head.
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No, I completely understand what you mean. But I'd be a fucking moron to let you do that, and if I got hurt from it it would be my own fault, because I chose to let you do it. But if I found out you actually worked at a shop and had a good background and previous satisfied customers, then I may change my mind. But we have no choices like that when it comes to the police.
grit your teeth in the face of fear. self repression is the true sign of a coward, toss your inhibitions to the wind. |
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 33 on 7/16/2008 6:52 PM >
| | | | You're about as interesting as a t-shirt with "God is Gay" written on it.
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 34 on 7/16/2008 11:07 PM >
| | | | Posted by exkalibur
Picture this. If I was a guard at a site and you gave me verbal abuse...then I found you dangling from one leg upside down from something - do you think I'm going to go out of my way to call for EMS? Hell no.
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Power trip much?
Posted by mortimer
Anyways, Jello Biafra ran for mayor once on a weird platform that included one rather good idea, that being that cops should be elected by the neighbourhoods they patrol. At the very least, I think cops should have to live where they work, I think a lot of potential for abuse of power would disappear pretty quickly. This is primarily an idea for urban environments, and obviously would not work with more specialized divisions like homicide, forensics, sex crime, traffic, etc.
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That explains why most Toronto cops come from out of the city.
Posted by exkalibur
I don't appreciate death threats.
Suck it up, your opinion of the Law Enforcement doesn't mean more than a pile of manure, however Law Enforcement's opinion of you means more than you can imagine.
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Am I the only one who sees teh irony in that statement?
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ActionSatisfaction Esq.
Location: Newark, NJ
Gender: Male
Action always satisfies
| | Re: Man Arrested for "Unlawful Photography"
<Reply # 35 on 7/16/2008 11:16 PM >
| | | | This thread is cooked. Put a lid on it and stuff it in the fridge behind the mashed potatoes.
"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life." - T.R. |
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