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 willskith
   
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 40 on 7/10/2008 4:45 PM >
|  | | | @TrentReznor:
Take it easy. I didn't mean he should die because he is a cop, its a figure of speech that implies that as long as a cop is living, said cop is not a "good" cop, because "good cop" is a paradox. I got some angry messages so here is what I have to say to all those who are pissing and moaning about this:
I see a giant hole in the logic behind the idea of a united force of "protectors" who are empowered by the state to uphold their questionable laws and to do what they see fit to make sure everyone stays in line. Its not that a cop cant do good things, its the fact that they are an unquestionable entity that can do whatever they want. It doesnt matter that the number of "good" cops vastly outweighs the number of "bad" or corrupt, but as long as they have the power interpret and enforce the law as they see fit without any real system of checks and balances, then there can be no such thing as a "good" cop. Its a broken system with no one to protect us from our protectors.
Different people are going to have dissenting opinions, but lets get back on track before the thread gets locked. I apologize for bringing politics into this, and if you really feel strongly enough about this then PM me so we can have a real discussion and prevent this interesting thread from getting locked.
back to the thread...
I often share stories and pics of my explorations with my coworkers. They find what I do very interesting, and my boss even has stories of a few places she checked out when she was younger that are still around and I have been able to explore.
grit your teeth in the face of fear. self repression is the true sign of a coward, toss your inhibitions to the wind. |
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Seventh Stage
 
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 41 on 7/10/2008 10:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
I've never had a co-worker react negatively to what it is I do. Most have been genuinely interested. Maybe it's because they're familiar with my photography, but more likely it's because I don't make it a point to tell people that I'm trespassing. Some explorers like to brag about this aspect because they think it makes them look cool. Keep in mind that not everyone's going to see it the same way you do so be careful about how you phrase things.
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That might be the way to go. I was originally not too much into the photography aspect of exploring. I loved finding the places, getting inside, and checking it out. That became the part I liked to talk about, which emphasized the trespassing. Using just the photography angle (no pun intended) would probably make you look a lot more wholesome.
I would need to work at bit at good amateur photography because another guy at my place of work is one and knows quite a bit about it. I recently bought some decent equipment, however, so there is no time like the present to work this out.
Brute force is the last resort of the incompetent. |
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krot
Location: Scarborough, Ontario
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 42 on 7/11/2008 1:08 AM >
| | | | When I first told my co-workers that I enjoy exploring abandoned buildings, they did not seem to understand what is so exciting about it. But when I said, that I enjoy taking photographs of these places, they agreed that there are many interesting things in abandoned places to photograph.
So, I assume, that you might want to present this hobby in a different way - say that you enjoy photography, especially industrial photography. And they will understand !
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Hlywud
    
Location: Lethbridge, AB
Gender: Female
| | | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 43 on 7/11/2008 1:27 AM >
| | | | Many of my co-workers and superiors know and most find it interesting and have seen the photos I've taken. Last summer I booked a Friday afternoon off to attend NOPEX and when I told my boss why I wanted the time off he told me to take the whole day so I could get on the road early to beat the traffic to Sudbury. In reality your co-workers/superiors should only care that you do your job and not care what you do in your spare time.
Ambivalent? Well yes and no |
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Azubi.UK
Location: UK / KSA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 44 on 7/11/2008 4:10 PM >
| | | | I had one entirely misinformed (by another person) come up to me and threaten to beat the shit out of me if I broke into his house.
Most people think I am weird and a psycho and all other manner of shite because of this hobby. They can't contemplate doing something in thier pathetic lives outside of getting pissed up in the pub at every possible opportunity.
The 11th Commandment: Don't get caught! |
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Seventh Stage
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 45 on 7/11/2008 6:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by Azubi.UK
I had one entirely misinformed (by another person) come up to me and threaten to beat the shit out of me if I broke into his house.
Most people think I am weird and a psycho and all other manner of shite because of this hobby. They can't contemplate doing something in thier pathetic lives outside of getting pissed up in the pub at every possible opportunity.
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You brought up another good point: there are people who do not buy that you can like doing something for its own sake. The place I work at now does not really have them, but at my last place there were many.
One time I tried to release some code into the public domain because the project I wrote it for decided not to use it. That would mean I could start an open source project from the code, and my boss could not understand why I wanted to. He kept thinking I had some angle, when really I just did not want all my hard work to never be used. That was one of the events that started my new job search.
Brute force is the last resort of the incompetent. |
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makigai
Location: Florida
Gender: Male
| | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 46 on 7/12/2008 4:44 PM >
| | | | I work in the Aerospace Industry as an Electrical Engineer. I also have a security clearance. I understand that my hobby could be interpreted as a violation of the “Moral turpitude” clause of my security clearance and my company’s global ethics policies. I do not share my hobby with any of my coworkers but wish I could.
I accept the risk of loosing my job if I get arrested. However I do everything in my power to mitigate that risk (IE going the legal route of accessing entry to a place of interest). People are usually very nice and cooperative.
If you work for the government, a law firm, law enforcement, military contractor etc. You could be terminated for the act of trespassing under the auspices of “moral turpitude”, even though you have no arrest. It really depends on what agency holds your security clearance or what Professional Boards you belong to.
When they ask on a polygraph if you have broken any laws within the past 3 years it’s hard to beat the machine. If you show behavior outside what they consider normal it’s over.
Sorry for the rant. I just wanted to show another angle to this issue.
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Seventh Stage
Location: Boston, MA
Gender: Male
| | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 47 on 7/12/2008 5:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by makigai
I work in the Aerospace Industry as an Electrical Engineer. I also have a security clearance. I understand that my hobby could be interpreted as a violation of the “Moral turpitude” clause of my security clearance and my company’s global ethics policies. I do not share my hobby with any of my coworkers but wish I could.
I accept the risk of loosing my job if I get arrested. However I do everything in my power to mitigate that risk (IE going the legal route of accessing entry to a place of interest). People are usually very nice and cooperative.
If you work for the government, a law firm, law enforcement, military contractor etc. You could be terminated for the act of trespassing under the auspices of “moral turpitude”, even though you have no arrest. It really depends on what agency holds your security clearance or what Professional Boards you belong to.
When they ask on a polygraph if you have broken any laws within the past 3 years it’s hard to beat the machine. If you show behavior outside what they consider normal it’s over.
Sorry for the rant. I just wanted to show another angle to this issue.
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That used to be my situation too. I had a clearance for a number of years in my last job but I was lucky enough to not need a polygraph. I would, however, lose my job or get crap work if I lost my clearance (i.e. third shift t&e). I do not have the stomach to put up a long term deception to a group of people so I did not explore while in my last job. If it came up at my current place I would deal with it, but I do not worry about losing my job.
makigai: since resigning and dumping my clearance I have had a lot less to worry about. If you can move to some civilian industry I recommend it. Anything over secret is not worth it if you want to lead an exciting life.
Brute force is the last resort of the incompetent. |
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makigai
Location: Florida
Gender: Male
| | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 48 on 7/12/2008 6:17 PM >
| | | | RaisinsSuck
Thanks for the sincere words.
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Azubi.UK
Location: UK / KSA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 49 on 7/12/2008 9:19 PM >
| | | | I also work in the aerospace industry also but I haven't let it stop me.
The 11th Commandment: Don't get caught! |
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HeresToLife88
Location: Union County
| | | | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 50 on 7/16/2008 2:39 AM >
| | | | Thats Rough, if thats how they act I'd probably just keep it separate from them and not worry about it, no use in letting them give you a hard time about something you love doing.
Most people i work with are intrigued by what i do if it ends up in conversation and some ask to come with. Don't think exploring will ever really cost me my job with the kind of work I'm doing.
Now They've Put Bars Across The Park Benches, So I Guess It's Illegal To Sleep... |
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Bennedetto
Location: West Coast Represent
Gender: Male
Get your mind outta the gutter!
| | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 51 on 7/16/2008 4:33 PM >
| | | | I pretty much had to come clean to some coworkers when a picture I had taken and set as my background at work inadvertantly gave out enough information to discern the location. They figured it out and then asked what I was doing there as I most certainly wasn't supposed to be.
I told them everything.
Now every Monday they ask me what exciting places I explored that weekend.
(I also work in Software Development but I doubt that my company would care if I found myself in the slammer for a night.)
A.U.M.C. 4 Life! |
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Samurai
Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 52 on 7/16/2008 8:03 PM >
| | | | i've been reluctant to make a comment on this thread, but I figured what the hell, I have the time. As many of you older folks know, I work as at a paper mill in the pulping section. Basically, I work where most people never go or can even imagine how the place operates. Now, the pulp mill attracts kind of the stranger element of the working folks... basically people who are a little off, or a little odd so there the conversations during a shift can be somewhat interesting. I have brought up the topic of frequenting abandonments on several occasions and each time, there was a great exchange of information as people talked about the places they knew and the histories of other places. It's actually a pretty regular topic where I work.
So, I think bringing up something like this where you work, or with the people you work with is something of a crap shoot as to whether it will be discussed enthusiastically, or merely passed of as 'whatever- you're weird.'
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maypost
Location: North, South, East, West, all around... then down to the underground
Gender: Male
Exploring if for n00bz0rz
| | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 53 on 7/16/2008 8:32 PM >
| | | | I think as a whole, society does not view what we do as "bad". "Weird, strange, maybe even morbid" but not "bad" as such.
I work for an international ground transportation company, I am an operations manager for a call center. I am a member of management and am held to a certain standard. That being said, my VP actually asked me for prints of St Elizabeth's to hang in his office. He says he wished he had the guts to do what I do.
Exploring is like tattoos... They stopped being cool in 2005
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 54 on 7/16/2008 8:54 PM >
| | | | I guess it also depends on what aspect of urban exploration you're talking about too. Most people don't think that going into older abandoned buildings is odd and usually have stories of their own to tell. It's uncommon to find someone who hasn't been inside an abandoned place at least one point in their life. I usually have a harder time getting people to understand the appeal of drains or active locations that don't have the cliche beauty-in-decay thing going for them.
Generally speaking though, I think there's a tendency for us to think this stuff is weirder than it actually is. I mean, it's not like we're getting dressed up as stuffed animals or anything here..
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hydrotherapy
Clever Girl
Location: Circle of Least Confusion
RPS is inside all of us
| | | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 55 on 7/16/2008 9:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
I usually have a harder time getting people to understand the appeal of drains or active locations that don't have the cliche beauty-in-decay thing going for them.
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That's because no one finds slogging through poop fun, but everyone loves to watch paint peel and contract mesothelioma. You didn't get the memo?
Get down, girl, go 'head, get down. |
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 56 on 7/16/2008 10:05 PM >
| | | | I think in general (as long as the person isn't a douche bag) they'll get it an understand it. Not something they would do personally, but they'll get it if it's phrased properly.
I'm interested in the history of abandoned buildings and photographing them
VS
I regularly trespass in abandoned buildings with crack heads, bums, and air that will give me cancer.
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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alex136
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Gender: Male
| | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 57 on 7/17/2008 4:20 AM >
| | | | Ok I have run into this a lot. Human emotions is funny when it comes to this type of thing. The people who are douche bags or dicks this only means that they are jealous. Now, most people are boring. Sense you all are UEs I'm sure most of you don't find coming home after work, cracking open beer and watching TV fun. Which is a great come back line for anyone who is a douche. I don't care who you are UE is fun, Because it is intrusting, dangerous, and kinda illegal.
But I like most people to know what I do, even at work. If I go missing people at work will know first if I don't shoe up the next day.
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hydrotherapy
Clever Girl
Location: Circle of Least Confusion
RPS is inside all of us
| | | Re: UE and Professional Life
<Reply # 58 on 7/17/2008 9:30 PM >
| | | | Posted by alex136
Ok I have run into this a lot. Human emotions is funny when it comes to this type of thing. The people who are douche bags or dicks this only means that they are jealous. Now, most people are boring. Sense you all are UEs I'm sure most of you don't find coming home after work, cracking open beer and watching TV fun. Which is a great come back line for anyone who is a douche. I don't care who you are UE is fun, Because it is intrusting, dangerous, and kinda illegal.
But I like most people to know what I do, even at work. If I go missing people at work will know first if I don't shoe up the next day.
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WTF does any of this mean?
Get down, girl, go 'head, get down. |
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