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I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
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 |  |  | Attn: Rochester, NY/Monroe County, NY Drainers
< on 7/1/2008 1:55 AM >
|  | | | I was reading on the county's website and it looks like a lot of drains are going to be inspected. Read the link for details. http://www.monroec...jects.php#mapSewer
I'm not sure how long that link will remain valid. From the site, this work must be done by the end of2008. So if you're government, you're going to wait as long as possible, right? But fsk doing that ish in the winter time. I would be willing to be most of this will be done around late summer and fall time.
Heads up guys. Not trying to discourage in anyway. Just a friendly heads up
-Trent
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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DjMalign
 
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Gender: Male
Sexy, sexy, sexy
| | | Re: Attn: Rochester, NY/Monroe County, NY Drainers
<Reply # 1 on 7/1/2008 9:02 PM >
| | | | Not being a dick, but the date said that the work had to be done by January, 2008, and we are currently in July, 2008. I don't think there will be much of an issue. However, it could be good for us to get the records and see what drains look interesting.
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Attn: Rochester, NY/Monroe County, NY Drainers
<Reply # 2 on 7/1/2008 9:40 PM >
| | | | Crap, I missed the most important word of posting (January). Though, it is still government and we know how how fast they move. Also, it's still posted as one of their 'projects' but they could be done mapping/inspecting and still be working with the data they've collected.
But yah, I'm anxiously awaiting the results. I'll hope they'll get posted the on their website.
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Attn: Rochester, NY/Monroe County, NY Drainers
<Reply # 3 on 7/2/2008 3:28 AM >
| | | | I imagine it will be similar to the site that's already been developed for the WNY Stormwater Coalition:
http://gis1.erie.g...e/ENSSO/viewer.htm
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Attn: Rochester, NY/Monroe County, NY Drainers
<Reply # 4 on 7/5/2008 4:22 AM >
| | | | That's cool. yah, I wish they'd get this Monroe County project completed so we can have a resource similar to Erie County. I've done more research on the mapping project and in the beginning of 2008 they had about 99.8% of the outfalls and 65% of the storm sewers mapped. http://www.clarkso...ping_Summary07.pdf
It ends up I actually used to be roommates with someone working on this project. I remember talking to them about it and it was a lot of work...a lot of outfall and man hole cover hunting. Now that I remember this, most of the people doing this data gathering were summer interns so they'd probably be no harm at all if you ran across them.
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I've been doing a lot of research on Rochester's drains recently. I've learned that it's a combined system. There basically is two systems. The original systems is from 1900-1970. The problem with the original one was in any storms (avg. 70/year) they'd get overloaded and overflow nasty water back into the waterways like Irondequoit Bay and the Genesee River.
To fix this, in the 1970's they begun a massive undertaking and begun boring massive (12-16 foot diameter) tunnels in the bedrock much deeper. This project was completed in 1993. These tunnels include where they went here: http://www.industr...-drain/index.shtml Those pics are actually my inspiration about learning more about Roc's systems.
Now when the original system is about to overflow, it instead directs its overage down 30+ shafts from the original system into the new system which is below it. This new system has so much capacity, it's like comparing dial-up internet to broadband. The new system can collect all the extra water from the storm and send it to the Van Lare Wastewater Treatment Facility. There any environmental hazards removed and the clean water is sent out to the lake.
In my research, I've found some good data which has allowed me to pretty accurately map out these newer massive tunnels and where their shafts which connect to the old system are. I also have enough to map (though not as accurate as I'd like) what I call the 'middle layer' which is the city's old system's 'trunk sewers'. Finally I have even worse data (but at least I have it) for all the outfalls and a crude map of simple storm water collection sewers (top layer) which dump into the trunks. If anyone's curious for more info, PM me. It's quite an interesting system we have here in Rochester.
-T
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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Air
 
Location: Canada
| | Re: Attn: Rochester, NY/Monroe County, NY Drainers
<Reply # 5 on 7/9/2008 12:49 AM >
| | | | Posted by TrentReznor
Now when the original system is about to overflow, it instead directs its overage down 30+ shafts from the original system into the new system which is below it. This new system has so much capacity, it's like comparing dial-up internet to broadband. The new system can collect all the extra water from the storm and send it to the Van Lare Wastewater Treatment Facility. There any environmental hazards removed and the clean water is sent out to the lake.
In my research, I've found some good data which has allowed me to pretty accurately map out these newer massive tunnels and where their shafts which connect to the old system are. I also have enough to map (though not as accurate as I'd like) what I call the 'middle layer' which is the city's old system's 'trunk sewers'. Finally I have even worse data (but at least I have it) for all the outfalls and a crude map of simple storm water collection sewers (top layer) which dump into the trunks. If anyone's curious for more info, PM me. It's quite an interesting system we have here in Rochester.
-T
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If I understand you right, the older sewer system dumps below to the secondary storm system underneath by drop shafts-- only? I'm sure these are fairly common, but I've only seen of it documented here C.O.T.S : http://www.sub-urban.com/cots/
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Attn: Rochester, NY/Monroe County, NY Drainers
<Reply # 6 on 7/9/2008 1:24 AM >
| | | | For the most part, yes. The the combined system at overflow times (more than .1" of rain/snow melt) dumps down drop shafts into the huge storage/mass-transfer tunnels. I cannot absolutely confirm that is the ONLY way as I don't work for the sewers department.
If you check out the thread from Whittiker Owens in this forum, you'll see that drain empties (well you can't actually see it emptying in the pics) somewhere into the Geneseee river, not down a drop shaft. But I haven't seen the whole tunnel yet, so I could be mistaken.
I would say it depends on the area. We have a bay and a river that we don't like the storm run off going into, especially with a combined system. So they have interceptor tunnels aimed at basically blocking off any runoff from entering either side of the bay and some points along the river. Around these points where they are specifically preventing the runoff from entering our bodies of water you would see this setup: Storm collection boxes--> Old Storm Trunks --> New huge tunnels (only at times of overflow of the Old system or it doesn't make it to the New system).
I would assume less critical locations don't have as many drop-points as these areas (or even a new tunnel running underneath that area). From the data I've seen, it seems to agree with that statement.
If a big enough storm hit's, there are still parts of the system that can't handle it. I've seen a business district get it's main intersection flooded still, right in the area of huge interceptor tunnel.
I do not claim to have seen these in person (yet), but I've done some research on them and have also seen some pics from other UE'ers.
If you're really interested in this system, PM me and I'll give you a link or two about this specific system.
-TR
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Attn: Rochester, NY/Monroe County, NY Drainers
<Reply # 8 on 7/9/2008 8:24 PM >
| | | | You know where that is?! I've been looking for that. Upriver...that means it's actually south of the Norton's entrance then because the Genesee is an odd river that flows Northward. Right?
If we're talking about the same thing we need to talk! I went looking for that last weekend, but I didn't look to hard. I went from the (estimated) point where the nearest drop shaft (st paul and norton) is to that outfall and went looking for it. It was a pain though because of that very steep slope, but I might have been slightly in the wrong area. After 2-3 climbs up and down, I gave up for that day as it was getting dark.
If that is what I think it is and is accessible, then it leads VERY far into the city. Like all the way over to Goodman/Culver area and a couple other directions. yah man, we got to get together and collaborate on some of this. Now I also really have to get my maps laminated for usage underground!
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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kreeningsons
Location: Philadelphia
Her eyes are a blue million miles
| | Re: Attn: Rochester, NY/Monroe County, NY Drainers
<Reply # 9 on 7/9/2008 10:28 PM >
| | | | just wondering, are you really Trent Reznor or what's the deal?
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
| | | Re: Attn: Rochester, NY/Monroe County, NY Drainers
<Reply # 10 on 7/10/2008 1:10 AM >
| | | | Nah, just a long time handle I've used on the net. I think it stared out in Counter-strike like 12 years ago. I wanted a nick that would piss off ppl when they got killed by me. It worked. Kinda just stuck with it. Sometimes I just shorten it to trent.
EDIT: Oh, and does my avatar look like Trent Reznor? hehe
[last edit 7/10/2008 2:18 AM by trent - edited 1 times]
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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DeadBunny
Location: New Orleans, LA
Gender: Male
| | Re: Attn: Rochester, NY/Monroe County, NY Drainers
<Reply # 11 on 7/19/2008 11:17 PM >
| | | | Iv never been draining. I want to go really bad.
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