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 dvdrip
 |  | Location suggestion please: Film
< on 6/25/2008 3:45 PM >
|  | | | Hi,
(If this is in the wrong forum, please move it to the correct one: thanks)
I'm an indie filmmaker and I'd like to shoot
at a place which could give me a "Jacob's Ladder"
feel.
I fully and absolutely realize the grey area of UE is,
so please let me add:
#1 - It would be myself and two actors. If I
can get some footage of them walking around/acting
scared in these places, then mission accomplished. I
understand I would only be able to shoot with the light
available and thus could only use my camcorder.
#2 - Anyone who's in the Niagara region and knows
of any places where it would be easy to shoot for a few
hours. I'd be happy to hire/pay them for their time.
#3 - Goes without saying. Safety/respect is most important for these locations and to those who help.
Please PM me if you have suggestions/interested in
the work.
Thanks.
- Jeff.
[last edit 6/25/2008 3:50 PM by dvdrip - edited 1 times]
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Air
      
Location: Canada
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 1 on 6/26/2008 1:03 AM >
|  | | | Posted by dvdrip
Hi,
(If this is in the wrong forum, please move it to the correct one: thanks)
I'm an indie filmmaker and I'd like to shoot
at a place which could give me a "Jacob's Ladder"
feel.
I fully and absolutely realize the grey area of UE is,
so please let me add:
#1 - It would be myself and two actors. If I
can get some footage of them walking around/acting
scared in these places, then mission accomplished. I
understand I would only be able to shoot with the light
available and thus could only use my camcorder.
#2 - Anyone who's in the Niagara region and knows
of any places where it would be easy to shoot for a few
hours. I'd be happy to hire/pay them for their time.
#3 - Goes without saying. Safety/respect is most important for these locations and to those who help.
Please PM me if you have suggestions/interested in
the work.
Thanks.
- Jeff.
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Lazy Film scout. There is another film maker here who has introduced himself (full name) and provided links to his website. I'd suggest that if you want people to take you seriously...
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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Lord
above and beyond
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 2 on 6/27/2008 2:46 AM >
| | | | ok for $500 an hour plus a guide.. ( I hire Sherpas only direct from Tibet) and the Cost of the Bar tab afterwards, because exploring is thirsty business, plus any Permits and anything I might think of afterwards I think we can come to some sort of arrangement
oh yeah and if you are a cop you get a %15 discount but I need to see a badge up front
I will defeat that which was once untouchable only so that I may now move on |
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dvdrip
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 3 on 6/27/2008 6:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
Lazy Film scout. There is another film maker here who has introduced himself (full name) and provided links to his website. I'd suggest that if you want people to take you seriously...
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Lesson learned.
Forum regulars are more hassle than help.
Best to remain a lurker than a poster.
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 4 on 6/27/2008 6:31 AM >
| | | | Posted by dvdrip
Lesson learned.
Forum regulars are more hassle than help.
Best to remain a lurker than a poster.
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It is if you have no credibility. I also offered you a suggestion. Toss up your creds, include your name and don't expect handouts. Kovacs was extremely professional here a few weeks ago in regards to his project and he got lots of people interested.
Of course if others wish to contact someone with no name/website/phone and one post -- that is there business, but even n00bs know better.
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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dsankt
 
Location: live and in the fresh
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<Reply # 5 on 6/27/2008 9:20 AM >
| | | | Taken from a very well known book I think you should read eh?
Arouse in the other person an eager want.
- When fishing, you wouldn’t bait your hook with your favorite desert; one would bait the fish with what the fish prefer: worms. Bait the hook to suit the fish.
- Framing your requests in terms of what others want will be more effective than talking about what you want.
- Rather than force his young son to go to kindergarten, one man’s family began engaging in kindergarten activities while excluding the young child. After seeing all the exciting things he would be doing in kindergarten, the child couldn’t wait to go. An eager want was aroused in the child.
- Before attempting to persuade someone to do something ask yourself, “How do I make this person want to do it?”
“If there is any one secret to success, it lies in the ability to get the other person’s point of view and see things from that person’s angle as well as your own.” – Henry Ford
So you know, what's in it for us?
sleepycity.net: watch out for the third rail baby, that shit is high voltage. urbex and urban exploration photography |
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dvdrip
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 6 on 6/27/2008 2:06 PM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
It is if you have no credibility. I also offered you a suggestion. Toss up your creds, include your name and don't expect handouts. Kovacs was extremely professional here a few weeks ago in regards to his project and he got lots of people interested.
Of course if others wish to contact someone with no name/website/phone and one post -- that is there business, but even n00bs know better.
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You're right. I do have a list of credits/website, etc. However (and for many reasons) this is also one of the prime reasons why I'd rather have people PM me, and carry on the conversation in private. I'd personally have no problem posting all the info, I however subcontract for a company that would frown if they knew I was doing this.
I offered to pay whoever is apt to guide us so I can snap off some footage. It's a small film I'd like to make and grabbing some amazing shots would be nice. Not rocket science.
Thanks.
[last edit 6/27/2008 2:08 PM by dvdrip - edited 2 times]
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 7 on 6/27/2008 3:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by dvdrip
You're right. I do have a list of credits/website, etc. However (and for many reasons) this is also one of the prime reasons why I'd rather have people PM me, and carry on the conversation in private. I'd personally have no problem posting all the info, I however subcontract for a company that would frown if they knew I was doing this. |
Yeah but you see the problem with that is others here won't know what has transpired with you. I happen to be fan of disclosure, particularly as you are an outsider, and like dsankt says, you need to 'bait the fish' with what will bite.
I'm just saying that this 'hobby' is so NOT devious and needs to be kept under wraps, but credibility is important when your talking about filming people you don't know trespassing somewhere.
I offered to pay whoever is apt to guide us so I can snap off some footage. It's a small film I'd like to make and grabbing some amazing shots would be nice. Not rocket science.
Thanks.
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I don't think the issue was money. If people connect and care about your project they aren't gonna be doing it for that reason (although its a nice bonus).
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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dvdrip
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 8 on 6/27/2008 4:18 PM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
Yeah but you see the problem with that is others here won't know what has transpired with you. I happen to be fan of disclosure, particularly as you are an outsider, and like dsankt says, you need to 'bait the fish' with what will bite. |
Again, if there is someone in the GTA/905 area who's interested in working on a film to grab some location footage, please PM me.
| Posted by Air 33I'm just saying that this 'hobby' is so NOT devious and needs to be kept under wraps, but credibility is important when your talking about filming people you don't know trespassing somewhere. |
I just know my subcontractors would have 'grievances' if they figured out what I was up to. If it means myself going and a guide going places and grabbing footage with my camera, I'd accept that as well.
Posted by Air 33I don't think the issue was money. If people connect and care about your project they aren't gonna be doing it for that reason (although its a nice bonus).
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It's always important to pay people for their time.
Although I'm totally funding the whole thing out of my own pocket and the budget naturally is *non-existent*, I always make it a habit to pay people. I worked on too many small films myself where I'd kill myself to help get the film made: and oftentimes the director would assume that I should be 'grateful' to work on his piece of crap.
Because of this, I always make it a paramount need to ensure that whoever works for me are:
A) All their amenities/costs are covered. Even them driving to see me, gas costs money! If someone works with you for a day, the least you could do is pay him/her $100. Onetime, my camera operator drove me home and it was the same weekend that the price of gas skyrocketed. I knew I didn't have to, but I gave him an extra $50 because I knew he'd have to pay for that extra gas out of the money he earned.
 The people who are helping you are fed. Napoleon once quipped "An army marches on it's stomach". If you're paying someone $100, it's for their time/help, not for them to spend it on their own lunches. If that's the case, you pay them $120 a day.
and
C) Along with "A" and "B", be sure to tell whoever works for you "Thank you for your help."
This type of etiquette I learned from some working on various productions. The good producers who I'd work with again in a heartbeat would abide by the above rules. The bad producers (who I avoid), seldom follow the above basic rules.
A rule I live by: If you take care of your crew, they'll take care of you.
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z0th
Location: /dev/urandom
Gender: Male
On the bleeding edge of cocking things up.
| | | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 9 on 6/27/2008 5:31 PM >
| | | | subcontractors? people that work FOR you? or other contractors you work WITH? or are you in fact speaking of your employer? if you are funding this out-of-pocket, then who cares what other peoples grievances are? what you do on your own time is your business, not theirs.
both Air33 and dsankt are correct. you want to build a 2-way trust relationship, you need to give something to get something. as Air33 says, we are not devious, but we ARE paranoid -- or at the very least a bit cagey.
here is the original thread by Kovacs -- i would at least give it a read. theres some other useful info there.
http://www.uer.ca/...d=1&threadid=55416
im not sure if he ended up with any footage or not.
i (obviously) cant speak for everyone but i think that most of the bodies here are not interested in money, they do it because they love it. some of them make money doing it (photography), but that just means they have found a market for what they love doing. i doubt most would object to you purchacing a meal and chipping in for gas (as you mentioned, your budget is tight).
gallery | deviantart | flickr |
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 10 on 6/27/2008 6:01 PM >
| | | | Man, you guys are such hardasses. Can't you just give this poor guy some throwaway location that everyone already knows about?
Dvdrip: I'd suggest shooting your film at the Don Valley Brickworks in Toronto. It's easily accessible and gets used for a wide variety of different projects. Just be sure to go on a weekday or else you'll end up having to compete for space with photographers, semi-nude models, graffiti artists, and other people shooting low-budget horror movies.
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dvdrip
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 11 on 6/27/2008 6:35 PM >
| | | | Posted by neX_
subcontractors? people that work FOR you? or other contractors you work WITH? or are you in fact speaking of your employer? if you are funding this out-of-pocket, then who cares what other peoples grievances are? what you do on your own time is your business, not theirs.
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*sigh*
I know this is a bad move on my part.
Subcontract are the people I work for, and they sometimes work for me. Does that make sense?
Some of them I know wouldn't want to be associated with me if they found out I was entertaining the idea of engaging in a 'grey area': read trespassing'
I have no idea what industry you work in, and frankly: It's none of my business. But in the biz I work in: People are always looking for an angle/reason/excuse to sink you.
| Posted by neX_both Air33 and dsankt are correct. you want to build a 2-way trust relationship, you need to give something to get something. as Air33 says, we are not devious, but we ARE paranoid -- or at the very least a bit cagey. |
Third time I write this: PM's with people who are serious about UE, and I'll reveal more. I only ask they maintain confidentiality (as I obviously wouldn't disclose any of their info to anyone)
| Posted by neX_i (obviously) cant speak for everyone but i think that most of the bodies here are not interested in money, they do it because they love it. some of them make money doing it (photography), but that just means they have found a market for what they love doing. i doubt most would object to you purchacing a meal and chipping in for gas (as you mentioned, your budget is tight). |
When I pay someone, they can do whatever they want with the money. Donate it to charity for all I care.
I *hope* this has answered your questions.
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dvdrip
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 12 on 6/27/2008 6:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
Man, you guys are such hardasses. Can't you just give this poor guy some throwaway location that everyone already knows about?
Dvdrip: I'd suggest shooting your film at the Don Valley Brickworks in Toronto. It's easily accessible and gets used for a wide variety of different projects. Just be sure to go on a weekday or else you'll end up having to compete for space with photographers, semi-nude models, graffiti artists, and other people shooting low-budget horror movies.
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Micro,
"You dah man"
Thanks.
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 13 on 6/27/2008 6:41 PM >
| | | | No problem. I'm assuming my $100 cheque is in the mail?
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z0th
Location: /dev/urandom
Gender: Male
On the bleeding edge of cocking things up.
| | | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 14 on 6/27/2008 7:12 PM >
| | | | | No problem. I'm assuming my $100 cheque is in the mail? |
heh!
| I have no idea what industry you work in, and frankly: It's none of my business. But in the biz I work in: People are always looking for an angle/reason/excuse to sink you. |
sadly common in any industry.
[last edit 6/27/2008 7:23 PM by z0th - edited 1 times]
gallery | deviantart | flickr |
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HerbLaur
 
Just boobs.
Location: No Damn Good
I'd call you a cunt but you have nowhere near the depth or warmth.
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 15 on 6/27/2008 8:26 PM >
| | | | Um, I live in Montreal, and in the time devoted to arguing the merits of the post etc, if you had trolled flickr and used online satellite maps you would have found sites on your own. As for a guide, any local homeless person/ squatter would give you a tour for a dime and a pack of smokes. Took me less than 10 mins to find a few places I'd actually want to go to TO for, and I never thought I'd actually WANT to go there....
I’m quite positive that you’ve slept with someone uglier than me, and I’m sure I’ve slept with someone hotter than you. So let’s just call it a draw. |
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 16 on 6/27/2008 8:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
Man, you guys are such hardasses. Can't you just give this poor guy some throwaway location that everyone already knows about?
Dvdrip: I'd suggest shooting your film at the Don Valley Brickworks in Toronto. It's easily accessible and gets used for a wide variety of different projects. Just be sure to go on a weekday or else you'll end up having to compete for space with photographers, semi-nude models, graffiti artists, and other people shooting low-budget horror movies.
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you forgot about emo goth chicks.
If he waited around he could ask the countless drifters if they want to participate. But yeah it is off key and not a whole lot of risk involved.
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dvdrip
| | Re: Location suggestion please: Film
<Reply # 17 on 6/29/2008 6:33 AM >
| | | | Posted by thewo
Um, I live in Montreal, and in the time devoted to arguing the merits of the post etc, if you had trolled flickr and used online satellite maps you would have found sites on your own. As for a guide, any local homeless person/ squatter would give you a tour for a dime and a pack of smokes. Took me less than 10 mins to find a few places I'd actually want to go to TO for, and I never thought I'd actually WANT to go there....
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Lucked out.
Found an amazing location and the owner
was very congenial in working with me
on booking the time/renting the place etc.
I might still go check out a few abandoned places
for pickups. But this place really services me
and no fear of LE.
Thanks Folks and best of luck...most importantly: PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
Jeff
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