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 Alexplorer (do not PM, I don't check my mail on here)
  
Location: DFW
Gender: Male
 |  |  | New DFW, Texas UrbEx site
< on 1/28/2004 12:32 AM >
|  | | | New UrbEx site announcement! Check out my site:
Urban Alexploration...
http://alexplorer.0catch.com/urban/exploration.html
It covers "expeditions" around the DFW area, primarily Fort Worth and Denton. I just uploaded it to a new server and their FTP is a little erratic, so let me know if you see any gltches where things didn't upload (except the guitar electronics section of the site; I'm still working on some of those pages).
The site is on a free host, so please pardon the pop-ups and banners. Geocities was pretty good, but they only had 15MB, and my site is growing past that faster than I had expected. If anyone has any suggestions for free hosting, please pass them onto me.
Enjoy!
Brain Drain or Drain Brain? |
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Curious_George
 
Location: Cambridge
Gender: Male
Straight outta New Bedlam
| | Re: New DFW, Texas UrbEx site
<Reply # 1 on 1/28/2004 4:59 AM >
| | | | Some interesting missions, thanks for the update.
I've never been to your web-site so I have a comment to make; I really think that your "Future Sites" portion is not a very good idea if some authorities found your web-site as they might go to these sites and secure them. Other than that, I have nothing else to say but you have a good web-site.
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Alexplorer (do not PM, I don't check my mail on here)
Location: DFW
Gender: Male
| | | Re: New DFW, Texas UrbEx site
<Reply # 2 on 1/28/2004 5:43 AM >
| | | | Thanks for the input.
Yes, security is a problem. The first and second rules of Fight Club echo as I think about anything to do with UrbEx. However, I think the "future sites" section is more secure than the rest where I have photos and much more detailed descriptions of what I saw and so on.
The idea of the "future sites" section was (and is) to stand as sort of an open invitation to any other explorers who want to team up. For any law enforcement types wasting their time trying to keep Gen X (and Gen Why?) kids out of drains (yes, that is a laughable thought!), there is probably a multitude more UrbExers who might want to tag along or just want to find interesting sites.
This is a bit philosophical, but as much fun as it is to play "cloak and dagger" with all of this, most of us wouldn't be on this forum if is wasn't for a communal desire to share and interact. I wish there was a simple resolution to this paradox, but none is evident at the moment.
Of course, we aren't a drug culture (well, speaking for myself anyway), so we don't have any elaborate rituals to keep our places or persons safe. If someone wanted to nab one of us, it wouldn't be hard to arrange an entrapment. But I hope that the reality is that anyone who would care would also take the time to see that there's no reason to. What we do doesn't hurt anything.
Texploration.org (Noah Vale and Dirtbag) has (have) a great summary of the ethics we should all make an effort to model: "take only pictures, leave only footprints." I try to make that sentiment clear on my site as well, and I also try to point out that, by documenting these sites, my website and those like it serve as a form of journalism, reporting on everything from civil engineering to homelessness to ecology and conservation issues.
As it stands now, I make my identity pretty much open on my site so as not to appear as a vandal, thief, or terrorist since I'm none of the above, and I have yet to hear of someone who calls themself an urban explorer while boasting of actions that fall into the above categories. Sure, I try not to attract attention while I'm at the site so as not to arouse post-9/11 suspicions, but it's ludicriously beyond hypocritcal to engage in secret activities and them post them for a potential audience of billions to see.
If anyone has any idea how best to address this contradiction, please post!
Brain Drain or Drain Brain? |
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Noah Vale
 
Location: Portland, Or
It's nobler to never get paid, than to bank on shit and dismay
| |  | | Re: New DFW, Texas UrbEx site
<Reply # 3 on 1/28/2004 1:44 PM >
| | | | Posted by Alexplorer
Texploration.org (Noah Vale and Dirtbag) has (have) a great summary of the ethics we should all make an effort to model: "take only pictures, leave only footprints." I try to make that sentiment clear on my site as well, and I also try to point out that, by documenting these sites, my website and those like it serve as a form of journalism, reporting on everything from civil engineering to homelessness to ecology and conservation issues.
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I Can't take credit for that gem though. I pulled that philosophy from umpteen other sites, and I think the original was from the Sierra Club or something like that.
"Dallas is a magnificent and wide open city, and I'm deeply envious of any urban explorers who have the good fortune to live there." -Ninj. |
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kaveman
Noble Donor
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Gender: Male
| | Re: New DFW, Texas UrbEx site
<Reply # 4 on 1/28/2004 2:45 PM >
| | | | Good pics and places.
BAD pop-ups! Geezlouise!
K
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Alexplorer (do not PM, I don't check my mail on here)
Location: DFW
Gender: Male
| | | Re: New DFW, Texas UrbEx site
<Reply # 5 on 1/28/2004 3:38 PM >
| | | | There's an indispensible (and free!) program called "Pop-up Stopper" that catches all of them, and you can toggle it on/off easily if it catched a java-activated window you actually requested.
You (i.e., anyone who wants it) can get it off of this page:
http://www.panicware.com/popupstoppercompare.html
That will help, but ideally I would rather have a free page with >20MB and no pop-ups.
Brain Drain or Drain Brain? |
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kaveman
Noble Donor
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Gender: Male
| | Re: New DFW, Texas UrbEx site
<Reply # 6 on 1/28/2004 6:13 PM >
| | | | Yeah, I've got that at home. Here at work, no messin with that stuff.
Oh, and I wasn't trying to run anybody away from taking a look.
Good site!
The old Swift plant is great. It's such a cool place to poke around and I've never been bothered by any type of security there.
K
"I couldn't have done it without me" |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: New DFW, Texas UrbEx site
<Reply # 7 on 2/1/2004 5:57 PM >
| | | | I know I stick by a very strict rule of never posting any relevant information about a future target. It's just a bad idea plain and simple. Even after I've completed all the exploring I plan to do at a target, I still won't post info about how to get there on my site. If you have info to share with explorers, sharing it privately is the best way...
But hell, what would I know...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: New DFW, Texas UrbEx site
<Reply # 8 on 2/1/2004 8:06 PM >
| | | | I'm backing Jester's comments. You really don't want to be advertising which areas you plan to trespass on in the future. I can only warn you, but you're just begging for trouble if you do that.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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