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 |  | Recent pass through Carleton/Newport D-58 Nike missile site. (MI)
< on 12/17/2007 9:18 PM >
|  | | | This might be kinda old news for this group, but since I get the feeling I am older than most of you anyway....
Sometimes interests me to check out these old sites... makes me nostalgic, actually, being ex-military. But this was a little before my era, and the world has changed dramatically. It was simpler when we all just built missiles and aimed them someplace. Never thought those days would look like an improvement on the current situation, but.....
FYI :
Site D-58 - Carleton
Unit: 6/57 - 9/58, Battery D, 504th USA
9/58 - 2/63, Battery D, 2nd Battalion, 517th USA
2/63 - 4/74, Battery C, 1st Battalion, 177th MIARNG
Activation Date: 1955
Hercules conversion date: June 1959
De-activation Date: April 1974
IFC Area: South side of Newport Road West of Telegraph Road west of D-57 IFC.
GPS: +42° 00' 22", -83° 21' 34"
Launch Area: SW of D-57/58 IFC in middle of a field
GPS: +42° 00' 20", -83° 20' 35"
Radar(s): HIPAR, LOPAR
Missiles: 30 Ajax/18 Hercules
Magazine(s): 3 type B
Launchers: 12 Universal
Current Status: The IFC is partially intact. The Generator building, HIPAR building, and the interconnecting corridor building foundation are all there. It looks like the Michigan National Guard uses the site for a motor park. This IFC and the D-57 IFC shared the same Launcher Area which is still there. The Pits have been demolished but the Barracks, Guard Shack, Warhead bldg., Assembly & Test bldg., Generator bldg. and a bunch of blast deflectors still remain. All the Launcher Area buildings have been trashed by vandals as it's in a secluded area. he Admin Area still remains with the Admin building, Barracks/Mess hall, Theater, and some storage buildings remaining. The Housing area is also still there and is now civilian homes.
Comments: The whole site; Launcher, IFC and Admin areas used to be the Newport Naval Air station which was used in WWII for pilot training. The Launcher Barracks was erected in the area that used to be the airfield. This was a Shared Double Launcher Area with separate IFC's.
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| | Re: Recent pass through Carleton/Newport D-58 Nike missile site. (MI)
<Reply # 1 on 12/17/2007 10:11 PM >
| | | | Good post, Carlos. Nice photos and cool information. Thx!
You betcha |
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/-/ooligan
  
Location: Las Vegas area
Gender: Male
When in danger, when in doubt, RUN IN CIRCLES, SCREAM AND SHOUT!
| | Re: Recent pass through Carleton/Newport D-58 Nike missile site. (MI)
<Reply # 2 on 12/17/2007 11:17 PM >
| | | | I suspect the underground storage magazines ("pits") are still intact at the double launch site, as was the case when I was last there in 2002.
However, Carlos STOLE the writeup from Tom Bateman's web page at:
http://members.tri...hercules/d-58.html
/-/ooligan
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Carlos
| | Re: Recent pass through Carleton/Newport D-58 Nike missile site. (MI)
<Reply # 3 on 12/18/2007 4:02 PM >
| | | | Okay, apologies.
I didn't intend to steal the writeup. I had no intention of implying that I did the "research". The information itself is public domain and all available in public records. None of it is classified and I don't think any of it qualifies for authorship in legal sense.
I got the writeup from :
http://members.tri...hercules/d-58.html
This guy has done a nice job of writing up a list. But I worked at Empire "Redman", P-34 long after it became a joint use site, and I could write up a paragraph like this for Empire from memory. I wouldn't care all that much if someone wanted to cut and paste it, since I have no intention of publishing a coffee table book of haunting luminous images that no one will buy. Anyone who would assert authorship over a list of factoids like this deserves the delta sierra award, as does /.#8ooligan, or whatever the f*ck his freaky cool net-boy name is.
Apologies to Captain Bateman, where ever he may be, for infringing upon his list. Note that I wrote FYI before typing it. I suppose the proper net boy thing to to do would be to post a link.
Hopefully, the black helicopters will not launch from the secret mountain to rain 30mm upon me for this grievous breach of internet etiquette.
For a bunch of artistes, you guys seem quite concerned with propriety.
Carlos
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heshunseshun
Location: Joliet, Illinois
Gender: Male
| |  |  | Re: Recent pass through Carleton/Newport D-58 Nike missile site. (MI)
<Reply # 4 on 12/23/2007 4:29 AM >
|  | | | I used to work on the grounds of the one in Orland Park. They filled it in though. Theres a rumor of a tunnel still existing between the silos and the radar area about half a mile away. no such tunnel can be found. There was also one in Homewood that they turned into a park, but the Radar tower for that still exists and you can actually see it from I-57. its just a tall concrete windowless tower that cell phone companies now maintain.
There was also one in Munster, In. Not sure on the current status of that one.
better lives have been lived in the margins and locked in prisons and lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in palaces. |
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/-/ooligan
Location: Las Vegas area
Gender: Male
When in danger, when in doubt, RUN IN CIRCLES, SCREAM AND SHOUT!
| | Re: Recent pass through Carleton/Newport D-58 Nike missile site. (MI)
<Reply # 5 on 12/24/2007 10:06 AM >
| | | | Pretty much whenever you're dealing with an old military site, there are going to be rumors of tunnels.
80% of the time, the rumors are completely without any merit. 15% of the time, it turns out the site had some high-pressure steams tunnels (more like small underground pipes, definitely not large enough for any mammal), and 5% of the time there is indeed some sort of tunnel.
In the case of a Nike missile installation, there should not have been any "tunnel" system for the Nike-Ajax or Nike-Hercules systems, traditional or "SAC-style."
There would have been some underground communication & power cable conduits, and a communication cable running from the launch battery to the IFC (the separate RADAR & control facility).
There were over 100 Nike sites around the USA, each Nike battery having their own IFC at a separate location anywhere from a half mile to a couple miles away, but within line of site.
/-/oolie
Posted by heshunseshun
I used to work on the grounds of the one in Orland Park. They filled it in though. Theres a rumor of a tunnel still existing between the silos and the radar area about half a mile away. no such tunnel can be found. There was also one in Homewood that they turned into a park, but the Radar tower for that still exists and you can actually see it from I-57. its just a tall concrete windowless tower that cell phone companies now maintain.
There was also one in Munster, In. Not sure on the current status of that one.
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heshunseshun
Location: Joliet, Illinois
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Recent pass through Carleton/Newport D-58 Nike missile site. (MI)
<Reply # 6 on 12/26/2007 2:35 AM >
| | | | yeah. the only reason this had any merit is because I talked to an old army dude that said he used to walk the tunnel when he was stationed there.
But I worked for the public works which was built atop the now filled in silos in orland. When andrew corporation moved out of that location (the old radar site) they did demo on the two remaining military buildings and Ive walked the property but havent given it a real good look. there was alittle like two car garage that when they tore it down they left a gigantic crater in the ground that filled up with water and caved in even larger than the foundation suggesting there was something underground there. but other than that its pretty much dead.
theres supposed to be a deep shaft on the andrew property too. that place is deserted and fairly large.
better lives have been lived in the margins and locked in prisons and lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in palaces. |
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ilduce
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia
| | | Re: Recent pass through Carleton/Newport D-58 Nike missile site. (MI)
<Reply # 7 on 12/27/2007 4:32 PM >
| | | | Its a very cool site. Watch out for the homeless guy living in the admin building.
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